Anti-racist training for parent groups and teachers

[Anonymous]

We all should agree that telling kids that their parents are bad and making bad choices is at best, not productive, and at worst harmful to the kids and to the relationship between the school and family.

There is a difference between stating facts when teaching nutrition, "here are some nutritious foods that are recommended to form the bulk of your diet" and judgment ("Lunchables are a terrible choice for school lunches in that they are lacking in nutrition and have too much sodium and fact"). Even worse is the suggestion that "good parents" don't send their kids to school with food that is not healthy and nutritious. This anti-racist training is informing volunteers and staff that they should not make disparaging comments about a child's food or parental choice of food.

What is interesting to me is that concerns about judgment and alienating kids from their families in this context mirror concerns expressed about other anti-racist teachings, where the privilege and racism of individual children and their families are pointed out publically, as opposed to teaching about general examples of racism and acts of anti-racism in a way that is not critical of any particular child or the child's parents or family. Why is it ok in one setting and not the other?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have come to the conclusion that anti-racist training just encourages, like here, racism and misogyny all around. It perpetuates sexist and racist stereotypes and tropes. It does not encourage true dialogue, introspection, intersectionality among any individual, group, or demographic. Slavery is the original sin of this country, and racism, among other isms, remains, injures, and kills - but these inorganic efforts are as facile as the "consciousness-raising" activities of our parents. People calcify their convictions. Better to spend time and money integrating schools, workplaces, and neighborhoods.

That's some deep sh*t...I guess. Who really knows since much of it is nothing but woke buzzwords and academic phony baloney.

Here's a stripped down effort:

Racism is real and alive and makes being black in America hard. It needs to be addressed. Efforts to address systemic racism are undermined when (possibly) well meaning SJWs pick silly issues that are not truly about race as their lead in to address issues of real, persistent and malignant racism. Being rude or an asshole to a black parent or kid isn't necessarily racist; sometimes it's just being rude or inconsiderate and being an asshole. Disagreeing with a choice or action made by a black person doesn't necessarily make you, or your action, racist. Black people don't want racist assholes calling us names anymore than we want white SJW agreeing with everything we say and treating us like fragile objects in order to prove they are "allies". This type of "Lunchable" effort does nothing to move the ball forward. White people who are inclined towards racist thoughts or actions (intentional or otherwise) will dig in deeper on seeing this crap and use it as evidence that the black struggle and racism are invented. Black people who use their blackness as a defense for shitty choices or actions (see, morbidly obese children) will see this as a license to perpetuate their behavior. Well meaning people in the middle who might otherwise engage in productive discussions will throw up their hands and not know WTF to do or say because the oxygen in the room is consumed by this garbage. And (white) people who are still grappling with whether and to what degree racism and the black experience informs their world get one more data point that minimizes the real issues facing black people in America.

Volunteers in classrooms shouldn't be assholes to anyone or make kids feel bad or give parenting advice to kids to communicate to their parents. There are real battles to fight; choose better ones.

PP post illustrates the point - calcification - name-calling for cheap kicks, etc.

Pray tell, professor. Where did I call anyone a name?

This isn't academic or "for kicks" for me and mine - it is life in American every damn day. For the high minded white folk with masters degrees (yeah, I am assuming that's you) this is some post-grad, double speak nonsense that interests you...today.

You need to go back to your grad school and request a refund because you are misusing the word "calcification". Calcification of ideas or thoughts or beliefs doesn't have anything to do with name calling. And it isn't necessarily inherently bad. The concepts of calcification and name calling are not necessarily related or correlated. John Lewis's beliefs were calcified. So were MLKs and Ghandi's and Mandela's. It means to have absolute conviction in your belief to the point of hardening. I am calcified in my belief that slavery was the original sin. That there remains in America systemic racism that impacts the daily life of black people. That we have a lot of work to do and serious issues and conversations to have. And that confusing stupidity or rudeness or just plain being an asshole to kids does not remotely rise to the level of seriousness of addressing systemic racism in America.

(And here comes the "why do you think I'm white?" Cause as usual, SJW mommies who get called out for their silliness always turn out to be black, or have black husbands, or kids, or cats, or dogs.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have come to the conclusion that anti-racist training just encourages, like here, racism and misogyny all around. It perpetuates sexist and racist stereotypes and tropes. It does not encourage true dialogue, introspection, intersectionality among any individual, group, or demographic. Slavery is the original sin of this country, and racism, among other isms, remains, injures, and kills - but these inorganic efforts are as facile as the "consciousness-raising" activities of our parents. People calcify their convictions. Better to spend time and money integrating schools, workplaces, and neighborhoods.

That's some deep sh*t...I guess. Who really knows since much of it is nothing but woke buzzwords and academic phony baloney.

Here's a stripped down effort:

Racism is real and alive and makes being black in America hard. It needs to be addressed. Efforts to address systemic racism are undermined when (possibly) well meaning SJWs pick silly issues that are not truly about race as their lead in to address issues of real, persistent and malignant racism. Being rude or an asshole to a black parent or kid isn't necessarily racist; sometimes it's just being rude or inconsiderate and being an asshole. Disagreeing with a choice or action made by a black person doesn't necessarily make you, or your action, racist. Black people don't want racist assholes calling us names anymore than we want white SJW agreeing with everything we say and treating us like fragile objects in order to prove they are "allies". This type of "Lunchable" effort does nothing to move the ball forward. White people who are inclined towards racist thoughts or actions (intentional or otherwise) will dig in deeper on seeing this crap and use it as evidence that the black struggle and racism are invented. Black people who use their blackness as a defense for shitty choices or actions (see, morbidly obese children) will see this as a license to perpetuate their behavior. Well meaning people in the middle who might otherwise engage in productive discussions will throw up their hands and not know WTF to do or say because the oxygen in the room is consumed by this garbage. And (white) people who are still grappling with whether and to what degree racism and the black experience informs their world get one more data point that minimizes the real issues facing black people in America.

Volunteers in classrooms shouldn't be assholes to anyone or make kids feel bad or give parenting advice to kids to communicate to their parents. There are real battles to fight; choose better ones.

PP post illustrates the point - calcification - name-calling for cheap kicks, etc.

Pray tell, professor. Where did I call anyone a name?

This isn't academic or "for kicks" for me and mine - it is life in American every damn day. For the high minded white folk with masters degrees (yeah, I am assuming that's you) this is some post-grad, double speak nonsense that interests you...today.

You need to go back to your grad school and request a refund because you are misusing the word "calcification". Calcification of ideas or thoughts or beliefs doesn't have anything to do with name calling. And it isn't necessarily inherently bad. The concepts of calcification and name calling are not necessarily related or correlated. John Lewis's beliefs were calcified. So were MLKs and Ghandi's and Mandela's. It means to have absolute conviction in your belief to the point of hardening. I am calcified in my belief that slavery was the original sin. That there remains in America systemic racism that impacts the daily life of black people. That we have a lot of work to do and serious issues and conversations to have. And that confusing stupidity or rudeness or just plain being an asshole to kids does not remotely rise to the level of seriousness of addressing systemic racism in America.

(And here comes the "why do you think I'm white?" Cause as usual, SJW mommies who get called out for their silliness always turn out to be black, or have black husbands, or kids, or cats, or dogs.)

Wut?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have come to the conclusion that anti-racist training just encourages, like here, racism and misogyny all around. It perpetuates sexist and racist stereotypes and tropes. It does not encourage true dialogue, introspection, intersectionality among any individual, group, or demographic. Slavery is the original sin of this country, and racism, among other isms, remains, injures, and kills - but these inorganic efforts are as facile as the "consciousness-raising" activities of our parents. People calcify their convictions. Better to spend time and money integrating schools, workplaces, and neighborhoods.

That's some deep sh*t...I guess. Who really knows since much of it is nothing but woke buzzwords and academic phony baloney.

Here's a stripped down effort:

Racism is real and alive and makes being black in America hard. It needs to be addressed. Efforts to address systemic racism are undermined when (possibly) well meaning SJWs pick silly issues that are not truly about race as their lead in to address issues of real, persistent and malignant racism. Being rude or an asshole to a black parent or kid isn't necessarily racist; sometimes it's just being rude or inconsiderate and being an asshole. Disagreeing with a choice or action made by a black person doesn't necessarily make you, or your action, racist. Black people don't want racist assholes calling us names anymore than we want white SJW agreeing with everything we say and treating us like fragile objects in order to prove they are "allies". This type of "Lunchable" effort does nothing to move the ball forward. White people who are inclined towards racist thoughts or actions (intentional or otherwise) will dig in deeper on seeing this crap and use it as evidence that the black struggle and racism are invented. Black people who use their blackness as a defense for shitty choices or actions (see, morbidly obese children) will see this as a license to perpetuate their behavior. Well meaning people in the middle who might otherwise engage in productive discussions will throw up their hands and not know WTF to do or say because the oxygen in the room is consumed by this garbage. And (white) people who are still grappling with whether and to what degree racism and the black experience informs their world get one more data point that minimizes the real issues facing black people in America.

Volunteers in classrooms shouldn't be assholes to anyone or make kids feel bad or give parenting advice to kids to communicate to their parents. There are real battles to fight; choose better ones.

PP post illustrates the point - calcification - name-calling for cheap kicks, etc.

Pray tell, professor. Where did I call anyone a name?

This isn't academic or "for kicks" for me and mine - it is life in American every damn day. For the high minded white folk with masters degrees (yeah, I am assuming that's you) this is some post-grad, double speak nonsense that interests you...today.

You need to go back to your grad school and request a refund because you are misusing the word "calcification". Calcification of ideas or thoughts or beliefs doesn't have anything to do with name calling. And it isn't necessarily inherently bad. The concepts of calcification and name calling are not necessarily related or correlated. John Lewis's beliefs were calcified. So were MLKs and Ghandi's and Mandela's. It means to have absolute conviction in your belief to the point of hardening. I am calcified in my belief that slavery was the original sin. That there remains in America systemic racism that impacts the daily life of black people. That we have a lot of work to do and serious issues and conversations to have. And that confusing stupidity or rudeness or just plain being an asshole to kids does not remotely rise to the level of seriousness of addressing systemic racism in America.

(And here comes the "why do you think I'm white?" Cause as usual, SJW mommies who get called out for their silliness always turn out to be black, or have black husbands, or kids, or cats, or dogs.)

Wut?

What part was not clear? If it is a language issue I recommend Google Translate. It is an excellent tool. Otherwise, what precisely did you not grasp?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1. Over-the-top time and resource wasting training.

Teachers should focus on teaching math, writing, reading, social studies etc. and students on learning. I say this as a liberal and a Democrat.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We all should agree that telling kids that their parents are bad and making bad choices is at best, not productive, and at worst harmful to the kids and to the relationship between the school and family.

There is a difference between stating facts when teaching nutrition, "here are some nutritious foods that are recommended to form the bulk of your diet" and judgment ("Lunchables are a terrible choice for school lunches in that they are lacking in nutrition and have too much sodium and fact"). Even worse is the suggestion that "good parents" don't send their kids to school with food that is not healthy and nutritious. This anti-racist training is informing volunteers and staff that they should not make disparaging comments about a child's food or parental choice of food.

What is interesting to me is that concerns about judgment and alienating kids from their families in this context mirror concerns expressed about other anti-racist teachings, where the privilege and racism of individual children and their families are pointed out publically, as opposed to teaching about general examples of racism and acts of anti-racism in a way that is not critical of any particular child or the child's parents or family. Why is it ok in one setting and not the other?

Can you give an example of such an activity? Because I would consider myself a pretty anti racist teacher and I can’t think of a thing in my curriculum that resembles what you describe, unless you mean that addressing racist behavior that happens in front of me is somehow the same as telling a kid to go home and correct their mother for serving a convenient food.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all should agree that telling kids that their parents are bad and making bad choices is at best, not productive, and at worst harmful to the kids and to the relationship between the school and family.

There is a difference between stating facts when teaching nutrition, "here are some nutritious foods that are recommended to form the bulk of your diet" and judgment ("Lunchables are a terrible choice for school lunches in that they are lacking in nutrition and have too much sodium and fact"). Even worse is the suggestion that "good parents" don't send their kids to school with food that is not healthy and nutritious. This anti-racist training is informing volunteers and staff that they should not make disparaging comments about a child's food or parental choice of food.

What is interesting to me is that concerns about judgment and alienating kids from their families in this context mirror concerns expressed about other anti-racist teachings, where the privilege and racism of individual children and their families are pointed out publically, as opposed to teaching about general examples of racism and acts of anti-racism in a way that is not critical of any particular child or the child's parents or family. Why is it ok in one setting and not the other?

Can you give an example of such an activity? Because I would consider myself a pretty anti racist teacher and I can’t think of a thing in my curriculum that resembles what you describe, unless you mean that addressing racist behavior that happens in front of me is somehow the same as telling a kid to go home and correct their mother for serving a convenient food.

Not the person to whom you are responding but I am chiming in to suggest that this is an interesting point that is worth fleshing out. I think it is possible that what was meant was something my white friends sometimes express; that they find it challenging to reply to their kids when part of what the kids may internalize from lessons in school about slavery or the treatment of black Americans (Did you know black people couldn't vote!) is that somehow they (the kids) are responsible for what was perpetrated by white people who came before. I kind of rebuffed the idea until one of my friends asked me how I would feel if I sat in a room and someone repeated that "black people did this horrible thing to me, and black people did this." I was eventually able to understand (after getting out of my own way and backing off my reflexive response to scream "I'm really sorry if my ancestors being enslaved makes your kids uncomfortable") that if a teacher speaks with a broad brush (or doesn't, but a caring and kind hearted kid misinterprets) they might wonder whether they are responsible for those behaviors.

FWIW, I think what they settled on was to clarify that while the kids didn't engage in that behavior, the legacy of those behaviors live on today so it is important that they be aware of that and some of the systemic inequities that may have come from that history

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Culture of low expectations- assume that balck parents care most about crap food and delicate white parents. B
News flash, black parents want academic rigor and high expectations and better options for their kids.

Haven't you heard? In the new era of the woke-police, white people need to assume that all black children come from single family households (or foster care) and are incapable of advancing academically beyond wherever they are in school right now. To assume black kids (like all kids) can do better and push black kids and demand more from them (as white people and teachers would with all other kids) is apparently now racist. Oh, and black kids who are morbidly obese in ES need to be praised for their "curves" and their parents similarly praised for loving them enough to feed them food that causes diabetes and other major health concerns.

It is no wonder that the families of top performing black kids flee DCPS and HRCS before our kids internalize these limiting messages about their capabilities and worth.

This. UMC black families flee DC schools faster than UMC white parents. They do not want their black children treated the way kids are treated in DCPS. Low expectations all around. Reducing the achievement gap by lowering the ceiling.

Who are these children getting these messages from? Which schools?

NP but it is pretty clearly messaged that low SES= black in DCPS. So there are often implicit biases against black children because of this. The assumption is that black kids are poor and come from unstable households and therefore can’t be as academically capable as their white counterparts. Just look at the advanced math tracks at middle and high schools in the city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have come to the conclusion that anti-racist training just encourages, like here, racism and misogyny all around. It perpetuates sexist and racist stereotypes and tropes. It does not encourage true dialogue, introspection, intersectionality among any individual, group, or demographic. Slavery is the original sin of this country, and racism, among other isms, remains, injures, and kills - but these inorganic efforts are as facile as the "consciousness-raising" activities of our parents. People calcify their convictions. Better to spend time and money integrating schools, workplaces, and neighborhoods.

That's some deep sh*t...I guess. Who really knows since much of it is nothing but woke buzzwords and academic phony baloney.

Here's a stripped down effort:

Racism is real and alive and makes being black in America hard. It needs to be addressed. Efforts to address systemic racism are undermined when (possibly) well meaning SJWs pick silly issues that are not truly about race as their lead in to address issues of real, persistent and malignant racism. Being rude or an asshole to a black parent or kid isn't necessarily racist; sometimes it's just being rude or inconsiderate and being an asshole. Disagreeing with a choice or action made by a black person doesn't necessarily make you, or your action, racist. Black people don't want racist assholes calling us names anymore than we want white SJW agreeing with everything we say and treating us like fragile objects in order to prove they are "allies". This type of "Lunchable" effort does nothing to move the ball forward. White people who are inclined towards racist thoughts or actions (intentional or otherwise) will dig in deeper on seeing this crap and use it as evidence that the black struggle and racism are invented. Black people who use their blackness as a defense for shitty choices or actions (see, morbidly obese children) will see this as a license to perpetuate their behavior. Well meaning people in the middle who might otherwise engage in productive discussions will throw up their hands and not know WTF to do or say because the oxygen in the room is consumed by this garbage. And (white) people who are still grappling with whether and to what degree racism and the black experience informs their world get one more data point that minimizes the real issues facing black people in America.

Volunteers in classrooms shouldn't be assholes to anyone or make kids feel bad or give parenting advice to kids to communicate to their parents. There are real battles to fight; choose better ones.

PP post illustrates the point - calcification - name-calling for cheap kicks, etc.

Pray tell, professor. Where did I call anyone a name?

This isn't academic or "for kicks" for me and mine - it is life in American every damn day. For the high minded white folk with masters degrees (yeah, I am assuming that's you) this is some post-grad, double speak nonsense that interests you...today.

You need to go back to your grad school and request a refund because you are misusing the word "calcification". Calcification of ideas or thoughts or beliefs doesn't have anything to do with name calling. And it isn't necessarily inherently bad. The concepts of calcification and name calling are not necessarily related or correlated. John Lewis's beliefs were calcified. So were MLKs and Ghandi's and Mandela's. It means to have absolute conviction in your belief to the point of hardening. I am calcified in my belief that slavery was the original sin. That there remains in America systemic racism that impacts the daily life of black people. That we have a lot of work to do and serious issues and conversations to have. And that confusing stupidity or rudeness or just plain being an asshole to kids does not remotely rise to the level of seriousness of addressing systemic racism in America.

(And here comes the "why do you think I'm white?" Cause as usual, SJW mommies who get called out for their silliness always turn out to be black, or have black husbands, or kids, or cats, or dogs.)

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The point is you don’t have to denigrate people to make a point. It only makes you look sexist and rude. I don’t need your good opinion or validation of my advanced degrees or vocabulary- just like you don’t need mine. I started with slavery is this original sin - there are obviously others - that need to be reckoned with. I don’t know what is like to be Black, just like you don’t what it is like to be a woman or an immigrant from a culture you aren’t privy to who speaks a language you are illiterate it. My point only is that anti-racist training has devolved from good intentions to meaningless bullet points with bigoted stereotypes baked in for good measure and rather than doing these anti-racism exercises we should work on more meaningful structural reforms legally and economically to desegregate. Or we can peddle sexism and snipe at each other on anonymous forums - that does feel like a performative exercise in bile-unloading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have come to the conclusion that anti-racist training just encourages, like here, racism and misogyny all around. It perpetuates sexist and racist stereotypes and tropes. It does not encourage true dialogue, introspection, intersectionality among any individual, group, or demographic. Slavery is the original sin of this country, and racism, among other isms, remains, injures, and kills - but these inorganic efforts are as facile as the "consciousness-raising" activities of our parents. People calcify their convictions. Better to spend time and money integrating schools, workplaces, and neighborhoods.

That's some deep sh*t...I guess. Who really knows since much of it is nothing but woke buzzwords and academic phony baloney.

Here's a stripped down effort:

Racism is real and alive and makes being black in America hard. It needs to be addressed. Efforts to address systemic racism are undermined when (possibly) well meaning SJWs pick silly issues that are not truly about race as their lead in to address issues of real, persistent and malignant racism. Being rude or an asshole to a black parent or kid isn't necessarily racist; sometimes it's just being rude or inconsiderate and being an asshole. Disagreeing with a choice or action made by a black person doesn't necessarily make you, or your action, racist. Black people don't want racist assholes calling us names anymore than we want white SJW agreeing with everything we say and treating us like fragile objects in order to prove they are "allies". This type of "Lunchable" effort does nothing to move the ball forward. White people who are inclined towards racist thoughts or actions (intentional or otherwise) will dig in deeper on seeing this crap and use it as evidence that the black struggle and racism are invented. Black people who use their blackness as a defense for shitty choices or actions (see, morbidly obese children) will see this as a license to perpetuate their behavior. Well meaning people in the middle who might otherwise engage in productive discussions will throw up their hands and not know WTF to do or say because the oxygen in the room is consumed by this garbage. And (white) people who are still grappling with whether and to what degree racism and the black experience informs their world get one more data point that minimizes the real issues facing black people in America.

Volunteers in classrooms shouldn't be assholes to anyone or make kids feel bad or give parenting advice to kids to communicate to their parents. There are real battles to fight; choose better ones.

PP post illustrates the point - calcification - name-calling for cheap kicks, etc.

Pray tell, professor. Where did I call anyone a name?

This isn't academic or "for kicks" for me and mine - it is life in American every damn day. For the high minded white folk with masters degrees (yeah, I am assuming that's you) this is some post-grad, double speak nonsense that interests you...today.

You need to go back to your grad school and request a refund because you are misusing the word "calcification". Calcification of ideas or thoughts or beliefs doesn't have anything to do with name calling. And it isn't necessarily inherently bad. The concepts of calcification and name calling are not necessarily related or correlated. John Lewis's beliefs were calcified. So were MLKs and Ghandi's and Mandela's. It means to have absolute conviction in your belief to the point of hardening. I am calcified in my belief that slavery was the original sin. That there remains in America systemic racism that impacts the daily life of black people. That we have a lot of work to do and serious issues and conversations to have. And that confusing stupidity or rudeness or just plain being an asshole to kids does not remotely rise to the level of seriousness of addressing systemic racism in America.

(And here comes the "why do you think I'm white?" Cause as usual, SJW mommies who get called out for their silliness always turn out to be black, or have black husbands, or kids, or cats, or dogs.)

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The point is you don’t have to denigrate people to make a point. It only makes you look sexist and rude. I don’t need your good opinion or validation of my advanced degrees or vocabulary- just like you don’t need mine. I started with slavery is this original sin - there are obviously others - that need to be reckoned with. I don’t know what is like to be Black, just like you don’t what it is like to be a woman or an immigrant from a culture you aren’t privy to who speaks a language you are illiterate it. My point only is that anti-racist training has devolved from good intentions to meaningless bullet points with bigoted stereotypes baked in for good measure and rather than doing these anti-racism exercises we should work on more meaningful structural reforms legally and economically to desegregate. Or we can peddle sexism and snipe at each other on anonymous forums - that does feel like a performative exercise in bile-unloading.

I don't object to degrees (I have several!) But if you are going to wield those degrees and the attendant large vocabulary I would respectfully request you use them properly. Telling you that you don't understand what "calcify" means isn't sexist. I would no more hesitate to call out a woman in this situation than I would a man; the sex is irrelevant. The word has a meaning and it isn't what you think it means; you misused the word and implied a negative connotation where one does not exist. When called out for it you claim...sexism? Misogyny? Anti-immigrant sentiment?

Do you think I should go easy on you because you are a woman? That's the same fragile black person bullshit to which I so strenuously object. If you are gonna try and throw your Master's thesis bullshit around in an effort to seem knowledgeable you better be prepared to be called out for gross negligence of the English language.

I will bookend this by noting the grand irony that, in the end, you've done precisely what I took issue with at the start. You have alleged sexism and English language nativism and anti-immigrant sexism in response to someone calling out your behavior and actions. You may think me rude. You may think me indelicate. But claiming sexism or anti-immigrant bias is the same level of bullshit defense as a black mother claiming making her kid morbidly obese is a cultural choice that dare not be questioned.

[Anonymous]

Sort of a spin-off. Interesting story from Janney about anti-racism.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dc-preschoolers-told-to-reject-colorblindness-in-anti-racism-fight-club/ar-AAWQE8R

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sort of a spin-off. Interesting story from Janney about anti-racism.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dc-preschoolers-told-to-reject-colorblindness-in-anti-racism-fight-club/ar-AAWQE8R

Anti-racism fight club for preschoolers? That's crazy and totally age-inappropriate. I have a right as a parent to decide how and when to teach my children about Chuck Palahniuk.

[Anonymous]

How has everyone missed the anti racist flight club at Janney since November when it happened? My kids don’t even go there and I heard about it back then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have come to the conclusion that anti-racist training just encourages, like here, racism and misogyny all around. It perpetuates sexist and racist stereotypes and tropes. It does not encourage true dialogue, introspection, intersectionality among any individual, group, or demographic. Slavery is the original sin of this country, and racism, among other isms, remains, injures, and kills - but these inorganic efforts are as facile as the "consciousness-raising" activities of our parents. People calcify their convictions. Better to spend time and money integrating schools, workplaces, and neighborhoods.

That's some deep sh*t...I guess. Who really knows since much of it is nothing but woke buzzwords and academic phony baloney.

Here's a stripped down effort:

Racism is real and alive and makes being black in America hard. It needs to be addressed. Efforts to address systemic racism are undermined when (possibly) well meaning SJWs pick silly issues that are not truly about race as their lead in to address issues of real, persistent and malignant racism. Being rude or an asshole to a black parent or kid isn't necessarily racist; sometimes it's just being rude or inconsiderate and being an asshole. Disagreeing with a choice or action made by a black person doesn't necessarily make you, or your action, racist. Black people don't want racist assholes calling us names anymore than we want white SJW agreeing with everything we say and treating us like fragile objects in order to prove they are "allies". This type of "Lunchable" effort does nothing to move the ball forward. White people who are inclined towards racist thoughts or actions (intentional or otherwise) will dig in deeper on seeing this crap and use it as evidence that the black struggle and racism are invented. Black people who use their blackness as a defense for shitty choices or actions (see, morbidly obese children) will see this as a license to perpetuate their behavior. Well meaning people in the middle who might otherwise engage in productive discussions will throw up their hands and not know WTF to do or say because the oxygen in the room is consumed by this garbage. And (white) people who are still grappling with whether and to what degree racism and the black experience informs their world get one more data point that minimizes the real issues facing black people in America.

Volunteers in classrooms shouldn't be assholes to anyone or make kids feel bad or give parenting advice to kids to communicate to their parents. There are real battles to fight; choose better ones.

PP post illustrates the point - calcification - name-calling for cheap kicks, etc.

Pray tell, professor. Where did I call anyone a name?

This isn't academic or "for kicks" for me and mine - it is life in American every damn day. For the high minded white folk with masters degrees (yeah, I am assuming that's you) this is some post-grad, double speak nonsense that interests you...today.

You need to go back to your grad school and request a refund because you are misusing the word "calcification". Calcification of ideas or thoughts or beliefs doesn't have anything to do with name calling. And it isn't necessarily inherently bad. The concepts of calcification and name calling are not necessarily related or correlated. John Lewis's beliefs were calcified. So were MLKs and Ghandi's and Mandela's. It means to have absolute conviction in your belief to the point of hardening. I am calcified in my belief that slavery was the original sin. That there remains in America systemic racism that impacts the daily life of black people. That we have a lot of work to do and serious issues and conversations to have. And that confusing stupidity or rudeness or just plain being an asshole to kids does not remotely rise to the level of seriousness of addressing systemic racism in America.

(And here comes the "why do you think I'm white?" Cause as usual, SJW mommies who get called out for their silliness always turn out to be black, or have black husbands, or kids, or cats, or dogs.)

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The point is you don’t have to denigrate people to make a point. It only makes you look sexist and rude. I don’t need your good opinion or validation of my advanced degrees or vocabulary- just like you don’t need mine. I started with slavery is this original sin - there are obviously others - that need to be reckoned with. I don’t know what is like to be Black, just like you don’t what it is like to be a woman or an immigrant from a culture you aren’t privy to who speaks a language you are illiterate it. My point only is that anti-racist training has devolved from good intentions to meaningless bullet points with bigoted stereotypes baked in for good measure and rather than doing these anti-racism exercises we should work on more meaningful structural reforms legally and economically to desegregate. Or we can peddle sexism and snipe at each other on anonymous forums - that does feel like a performative exercise in bile-unloading.

I don't object to degrees (I have several!) But if you are going to wield those degrees and the attendant large vocabulary I would respectfully request you use them properly. Telling you that you don't understand what "calcify" means isn't sexist. I would no more hesitate to call out a woman in this situation than I would a man; the sex is irrelevant. The word has a meaning and it isn't what you think it means; you misused the word and implied a negative connotation where one does not exist. When called out for it you claim...sexism? Misogyny? Anti-immigrant sentiment?

Do you think I should go easy on you because you are a woman? That's the same fragile black person bullshit to which I so strenuously object. If you are gonna try and throw your Master's thesis bullshit around in an effort to seem knowledgeable you better be prepared to be called out for gross negligence of the English language.

I will bookend this by noting the grand irony that, in the end, you've done precisely what I took issue with at the start. You have alleged sexism and English language nativism and anti-immigrant sexism in response to someone calling out your behavior and actions. You may think me rude. You may think me indelicate. But claiming sexism or anti-immigrant bias is the same level of bullshit defense as a black mother claiming making her kid morbidly obese is a cultural choice that dare not be questioned.

I am really sorry that someone made you feel small and insignificant and poor-spoken such you get off on mansplaining (and apparently not checking) the dictionary. That gets us exactly no place as a society. But yes, we all need to own our behavior - and you do seem to have some deep issues with women that you need to work through. Good luck.

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To the black people on here. Dr king failed us when he begged white people to be integrated into their world. We were much better off when we had our own banks, doctors and schools. Our own everything! They were jealous of us because we were doing so well for ourselves. For example Tulsa”black Wall Street” for example. There has been 100’s of black massacres in the name of jealousy. Look it up if you don’t believe! Here we are though years later trying to blend in to a system that wasn’t meant for us!