US News rankings are out with individual magnet program rankings as well

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Anonymous wrote:Blair 2nd to none…. Except the almost 200 higher ranked magnet programs. Not even top three in the county

that just proved that the ranking is not very meaningful.

You must be a Blair parent. Strange how no one outside the DCC seems to share the high regard for the school as the PTA does. I’m glad they’re happy

Not true. Seems like a data-gathering issue as it was the first year.

didn't that effect everyone equally? Also Blair is never ranked very highly, this is not an aberration

I think it is the first year that magnets have been ranked. Isn't that true?

All I know is Blair SMCS trounces TJ in almost every single matchup so not sure these rankings are meaningful.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at Blair overall, can you really blame U.S. News? Their numbers (outside of SMAC) stink. The Magnet was supposed to "raise up" Blair for Silver Spring, but instead it's just a bad HS overall with an ineffective Magnet. A lot of parents in "W's" are just keeping their kids at their home school and tutoring on the side, so now AEI has egg all over their face for screwing up again. MCPS can try bussing for equity, but we'll see how that works out at the next board election.

That's strange when I look at the SAT average for the largest cohort common to Blair and the W's Blair scores higher.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Stop using actual facts to contradict the PP grievance narrative.

Reply to your self all you want. You peer group avg means nothing when 99% of the school isn’t in that peer group. Sure a couple of very smart kids bused in from nicer parts of town do comparable to the schools full of smart kids from nicer parts of town. No one is disputing that. Problem is Blair isn’t filled with smart kids from the nicer parts of town, we are talking whole school averages sweetie.

DP.. if 99% of the group is not in a magnet, but the scores are reported as a whole of the school, then that means the magnet cohort doesn't put a huge dent in the score.

Regardless, if you look at that SAT scores by demographics within a school, and then look at the demographics of the magnet cohort, you can get a sense of which scores are skewed due to magnets and which aren't.

Having stated that, however, there are some in cluster students who are also in the magnet program in the school (like RM cluster students who are in the RMIB magnet), so that skews things, too. Those kids would be and should be part of the magnet AND nonmagnet group since they live in the cluster. It's not easy to slice and dice the numbers the way you want.

There are some really smart kids in the cluster (both RM and Blair), but those schools also have a fair amount of low income students who don't score as high. Just as you claim that magnet students skew the results, so, too, the low income students skew the results.

You'd have to take the low income student scores and those of the non-in cluster magnet students out of the equation to get an apples to apples comparison.

Otherwise, it's an apples to oranges comparison.

Not if they do not define the truly define and scale the demographics. That is like saying the top 5 kids at Kennedy did slightly better than the avg of all of Thomas Jefferson in Va and then defining those top 5 kids a demographic and then declaring Kennedy is a better school than TG. It is one line cherry picked and taken out of context with all other data points ignored.

To make that leap it would require ignoring the Top 5 and bottom 200 at TJ. It is a classic cherry pick argument especially considering that many if not most of the kids being claimed by the Blair booster are pulled from the schools being compared to exactly for their ability to do well on tests. Of course they are similar a similar demographic many of them are neighbors to the Walt Johnson, BCC, Churchill and Whitman kids

Yes, that would be true, but nobody does that so your point is moot.

Saying some tiny hand picked demographic at Blair does well comparable to whole schools is just that. It’s fine though, youare supposed to take pride in Blair that is what the magnet was intended to do. Funny how that works

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Anonymous wrote:Blair 2nd to none…. Except the almost 200 higher ranked magnet programs. Not even top three in the county

that just proved that the ranking is not very meaningful.

You must be a Blair parent. Strange how no one outside the DCC seems to share the high regard for the school as the PTA does. I’m glad they’re happy

Not true. Seems like a data-gathering issue as it was the first year.

didn't that effect everyone equally? Also Blair is never ranked very highly, this is not an aberration

I think it is the first year that magnets have been ranked. Isn't that true?

All I know is Blair SMCS trounces TJ in almost every single matchup so not sure these rankings are meaningful.

Not counting USNEWS rankings and public perception…. But all the unmeasurables like Blair parent pride and teen pregnancy most would buy that

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Anonymous wrote:Blair 2nd to none…. Except the almost 200 higher ranked magnet programs. Not even top three in the county

that just proved that the ranking is not very meaningful.

You must be a Blair parent. Strange how no one outside the DCC seems to share the high regard for the school as the PTA does. I’m glad they’re happy

Not true. Seems like a data-gathering issue as it was the first year.

didn't that effect everyone equally? Also Blair is never ranked very highly, this is not an aberration

I think it is the first year that magnets have been ranked. Isn't that true?

It's not that they ranked the magnet programs per se; they just ranked the schools overall like they always do, then they picked out the schools that contained magnet programs and published a new list of just those schools, in their ranked order.

Oh ok. That is is very different from ranking specific magnet programs.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at Blair overall, can you really blame U.S. News? Their numbers (outside of SMAC) stink. The Magnet was supposed to "raise up" Blair for Silver Spring, but instead it's just a bad HS overall with an ineffective Magnet. A lot of parents in "W's" are just keeping their kids at their home school and tutoring on the side, so now AEI has egg all over their face for screwing up again. MCPS can try bussing for equity, but we'll see how that works out at the next board election.

That's strange when I look at the SAT average for the largest cohort common to Blair and the W's Blair scores higher.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Ah yes - the MCPS troll who plugs Blair with smoke and mirrors. You've already been discredited many times now. Keep trying though.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/525/786370.page;jsessionid=EA75C4B455741F0F9983D3B903552A43#20871125
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/90/1040419.page;jsessionid=3FF1B01EACD9601B1E809438FC193591#22152070

You have to carefully look at who are taking SAT's at Blair. These are the real numbers:
1 Poolesville 1420
2 Walt Whitman 1310
3 Bethesda-Chevy Chase 1298
4 Winston Churchill 1296
5 Montgomery Blair 1290
6 Thomas S. Wootton 1278
7 Richard Montgomery 1265
8 Damascus 1223
9 Northwest 1203
10 Walter Johnson 1200
11 Sherwood 1197
12 Col. Zadok Magruder 1185
13 Clarksburg 1181
14 Quince Orchard 1176
15 Seneca Valley 1162
16 Wheaton 1159
17 Rockville 1156
18 Paint Branch 1143
19 Gaithersburg 1132
20 James Hubert Blake 1117
21 Springbrook 1112
22 Albert Einstein 1104
23 Northwood 1099
24 Watkins Mill 1098
25 John F. Kennedy 999

Blair is puffing up their numbers using magnet kids. 44% of the Blair graduating class doesn't even take an AP/IB exam at all (worse than Churchill 22%, Poolesville 24%, Whitman 16%, WJ 29%, Wootton 22%). Blair has approximately 400 (100 / year) magnet program students. This means that 263 non-magnet students took AP exams out of 592 non-magnet graduates. This means that when you subtract out the Magnet program from Blair HS, 56% of the students didn't take an AP exam.

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The Tier cutoffs were based solely on the school's ability to prep their student body for college.

*** TIER I ***

POOLESVILLE
Graduation Rate2 3 = ≥95.0%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 94.2%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 84.8%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04152.pdf

CHURCHILL
Graduation Rate2 3 = ≥95.0%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 93.3%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 84.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

WOOTTON
Graduation Rate2 3 = ≥95.0%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 94.9%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 83.8%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

WHITMAN
Graduation Rate2 3 = ≥95.0%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 93.9%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 81.4%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04427.pdf

*** TIER II ***

NORTHWEST
Graduation Rate2 3 = 94.5%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 92.1%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = 3.2%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 72.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04246.pdf

BCC
Graduation Rate2 3 = ≥95.0%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 93.2%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 71.7%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04406.pdf

DAMASCUS
Graduation Rate2 3 = 93.2%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 92.4%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = 3.7%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 71.7%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04701.pdf

*** TIER III ***

SHERWOOD
Graduation Rate2 3 = 90.2%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 92.8%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 69.0%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04503.pdf

WALTER JOHNSON
Graduation Rate2 3 = ≥95.0%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 93.8%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 67.1%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04424.pdf

BLAKE
Graduation Rate2 3 = 92.1%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 92.6%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 65.4%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04321.pdf

RICHARD MONTGOMERY
Graduation Rate2 3 = 94.1%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 92.6%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 65.4%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04201.pdf

*** TIER IV ***

CLARKSBURG
Graduation Rate2 3 = 91.5%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 92.9%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = 4.1%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 64.8%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04249.pdf

MAGRUDER
Graduation Rate2 3 = 85.2%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 90.0%
Dropout Rate2 3 = 7.1% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 64.5%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04510.pdf

QUINCE ORCHARD
Graduation Rate2 3 = 91.7%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 91.2%
Dropout Rate2 3 = ≤5.0% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 63.7%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04125.pdf

BLAIR
Graduation Rate2 3 = 86.1%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 90.4%
Dropout Rate2 3 = 8.8% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 62.9%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

ROCKVILLE
Graduation Rate2 3 = 83.0%
Attendance Rate2 3 = 92.2%
Dropout Rate2 3 = 9.3% Suspension Rate2 3 = ≤3.0%
Percent of Students Meeting University System of Maryland Entrance Requirements2 3 = 60.2%
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/re.../currentyear/schools/04230.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at Blair overall, can you really blame U.S. News? Their numbers (outside of SMAC) stink. The Magnet was supposed to "raise up" Blair for Silver Spring, but instead it's just a bad HS overall with an ineffective Magnet. A lot of parents in "W's" are just keeping their kids at their home school and tutoring on the side, so now AEI has egg all over their face for screwing up again. MCPS can try bussing for equity, but we'll see how that works out at the next board election.

That's strange when I look at the SAT average for the largest cohort common to Blair and the W's Blair scores higher.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Table A.8
The "Blair 1326" SAT score is the average for "White" students at Blair
The average SAT score for "Black or African American" at Blair is 1032
The average SAT score for "Hispanic/Latino" at Blair is 1037
The average SAT score for "Asian" at Blair is 1290
The average SAT score for "2 or more races" at Blair is 1324

Table A.6
The average SAT score for all Blair students who took the test is 1142.

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Anonymous wrote:Blair 2nd to none…. Except the almost 200 higher ranked magnet programs. Not even top three in the county

that just proved that the ranking is not very meaningful.

You must be a Blair parent. Strange how no one outside the DCC seems to share the high regard for the school as the PTA does. I’m glad they’re happy

Not true. Seems like a data-gathering issue as it was the first year.

didn't that effect everyone equally? Also Blair is never ranked very highly, this is not an aberration

I think it is the first year that magnets have been ranked. Isn't that true?

All I know is Blair SMCS trounces TJ in almost every single matchup so not sure these rankings are meaningful.

They destroyed TJ on It's Academic. Also, % National Merit and Intel Scholars and even members of the the US math and physics Olympiad... Even %admits to elite schools like MIT is 2X higher at Blair.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at Blair overall, can you really blame U.S. News? Their numbers (outside of SMAC) stink. The Magnet was supposed to "raise up" Blair for Silver Spring, but instead it's just a bad HS overall with an ineffective Magnet. A lot of parents in "W's" are just keeping their kids at their home school and tutoring on the side, so now AEI has egg all over their face for screwing up again. MCPS can try bussing for equity, but we'll see how that works out at the next board election.

That's strange when I look at the SAT average for the largest cohort common to Blair and the W's Blair scores higher.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Table A.8
The "Blair 1326" SAT score is the average for "White" students at Blair
The average SAT score for "Black or African American" at Blair is 1032
The average SAT score for "Hispanic/Latino" at Blair is 1037
The average SAT score for "Asian" at Blair is 1290
The average SAT score for "2 or more races" at Blair is 1324
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It's true the average SAT at Blair was 1326 for the largest cohort common to these schools. Using race as a proxy for SES were able to do a more granular analysis and see how they really stack up.

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Anonymous wrote:Great to see! I put more stock into US News than other random rankings where anyone can skew the data.

lol

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Anonymous wrote:Blair 2nd to none…. Except the almost 200 higher ranked magnet programs. Not even top three in the county

that just proved that the ranking is not very meaningful.

You must be a Blair parent. Strange how no one outside the DCC seems to share the high regard for the school as the PTA does. I’m glad they’re happy

Not true. Seems like a data-gathering issue as it was the first year.

didn't that effect everyone equally? Also Blair is never ranked very highly, this is not an aberration

I think it is the first year that magnets have been ranked. Isn't that true?

All I know is Blair SMCS trounces TJ in almost every single matchup so not sure these rankings are meaningful.

Not counting USNEWS rankings and public perception…. But all the unmeasurables like Blair parent pride and teen pregnancy most would buy that

Teen pregnancy? really?

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Every year the W schools boosters cannot wait for the USNews rankings to come out to boast about how their schools rank higher than Blair.
They know they cannot compete and beat Blair on the field...but on paper, oh yeah

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at Blair overall, can you really blame U.S. News? Their numbers (outside of SMAC) stink. The Magnet was supposed to "raise up" Blair for Silver Spring, but instead it's just a bad HS overall with an ineffective Magnet. A lot of parents in "W's" are just keeping their kids at their home school and tutoring on the side, so now AEI has egg all over their face for screwing up again. MCPS can try bussing for equity, but we'll see how that works out at the next board election.

That's strange when I look at the SAT average for the largest cohort common to Blair and the W's Blair scores higher.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Table A.8
The "Blair 1326" SAT score is the average for "White" students at Blair
The average SAT score for "Black or African American" at Blair is 1032
The average SAT score for "Hispanic/Latino" at Blair is 1037
The average SAT score for "Asian" at Blair is 1290
The average SAT score for "2 or more races" at Blair is 1324

Table A.6
The average SAT score for all Blair students who took the test is 1142.

What's interesting to me is that, with a few outliers, scores are pretty static across schools by race. Black kids do about as well at Blair as they do at most of the Ws, except Wootton where they do worse than expected and Whitman where they do very well, which I'm guessing is a function of wealth.

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Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

It's true the average SAT at Blair was 1326 for the largest cohort common to these schools. Using race as a proxy for SES we're able to do a more granular analysis and see how they really stack up.

But W parents hate it when you point out factoring for SES differences a DCC school outperforms their W by a wide margin.

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Anonymous wrote:If you look at Blair overall, can you really blame U.S. News? Their numbers (outside of SMAC) stink. The Magnet was supposed to "raise up" Blair for Silver Spring, but instead it's just a bad HS overall with an ineffective Magnet. A lot of parents in "W's" are just keeping their kids at their home school and tutoring on the side, so now AEI has egg all over their face for screwing up again. MCPS can try bussing for equity, but we'll see how that works out at the next board election.

That's strange when I look at the SAT average for the largest cohort common to Blair and the W's Blair scores higher.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wootton 1262
Churchill 1257

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Table A.8
The "Blair 1326" SAT score is the average for "White" students at Blair
The average SAT score for "Black or African American" at Blair is 1032
The average SAT score for "Hispanic/Latino" at Blair is 1037
The average SAT score for "Asian" at Blair is 1290
The average SAT score for "2 or more races" at Blair is 1324

Table A.6
The average SAT score for all Blair students who took the test is 1142.

What's interesting to me is that, with a few outliers, scores are pretty static across schools by race. Black kids do about as well at Blair as they do at most of the Ws, except Wootton where they do worse than expected and Whitman where they do very well, which I'm guessing is a function of wealth.

Any school <5% of a demographic group lacks sufficient numbers from which to draw meaningful data