DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney

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Anonymous wrote:Disney was in trouble way before this happened. It is plagued by infighting at the top, a pivot toward lower quality/higher volume service and merchandise, and degrading customee satisfaction. I'm pro free speech and conservative and I have conflicted views of this choice, but Disney probably needs a massive jolt to get back to its long history of high quality, family friendly entertainment.

What about diverse, same-sex couple families? Is entertainment friendly to them, as it stands?

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

Guest you did not google very hard? Disney does not taxes it’s own properties. Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to support DeSantis attack on business?

Analysts Say Florida Stripping Disney World’s Power Could Cost Residents and Counties

The special district does not exempt Disney from paying property taxes,” Clark said. Disney is Central Florida’s largest taxpayer, paying nearly $300 million per year in property taxes to Orange and Osceola counties, as well as about $250 million in other state taxes.

So, if those counties had to assume many of the roles the Reedy Creek Improvement District now performs, they would be doing it without any real expanded income, save some potential permitting and other construction fees

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2022/04/19/analysts-say-florida-stripping-disney-worlds-power-could-cost-residents-and-counties/

You are trying to get too much mileage out of one FCU professor quoted on a food blog. Other newspapers like NYT, WaPo, and LA Times all reference the fact that the financial impacts are not at all clear or known.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-04-20/what-happens-if-disney-loses-its-self-government-powers-in-flordia

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

I'm just not sure a government can punish a company financially on the basis of not liking a position it takes. To go along with the Newsom example above, could Fairfax County go after the National Firearms Museum from a tax perspective because it the county government doesn't like guns?

I don't know if taking away special tax breaks is the same thing as "punishment". NRA is a different ball of wax because the organization exists to advance certain political viewpoints. NRA is therefore fair game and is often the target of government action - as exemplified by the actions of NY. Disney needs to decide what it wants to be - a business with the goal of making money, or a business with the goal of advancing a controversial political agenda like the NRA.

Need not be that specific example. Can be any business. Chick Fil a. Hobby Lobby. Etc. Businesses whose goals are making money but also espouse certain policy positions. Which, of course, SCOTUS has said they can do. Which is why this may not be constitutional in the first place. DeSantis is targeting Disney over its speech.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

I'm just not sure a government can punish a company financially on the basis of not liking a position it takes. To go along with the Newsom example above, could Fairfax County go after the National Firearms Museum from a tax perspective because it the county government doesn't like guns?

I don't know if taking away special tax breaks is the same thing as "punishment". NRA is a different ball of wax because the organization exists to advance certain political viewpoints. NRA is therefore fair game and is often the target of government action - as exemplified by the actions of NY. Disney needs to decide what it wants to be - a business with the goal of making money, or a business with the goal of advancing a controversial political agenda like the NRA.

Need not be that specific example. Can be any business. Chick Fil a. Hobby Lobby. Etc. Businesses whose goals are making money but also espouse certain policy positions. Which, of course, SCOTUS has said they can do. Which is why this may not be constitutional in the first place. DeSantis is targeting Disney over its speech.

Are these companies out there actively claiming that they will work to repeal certain laws in the states it operates? This is not a free speech issue. DeSantis is not claiming in any way that Disney can't say or act the way it wants to, so long as no laws are broken.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

I'm just not sure a government can punish a company financially on the basis of not liking a position it takes. To go along with the Newsom example above, could Fairfax County go after the National Firearms Museum from a tax perspective because it the county government doesn't like guns?

I don't know if taking away special tax breaks is the same thing as "punishment". NRA is a different ball of wax because the organization exists to advance certain political viewpoints. NRA is therefore fair game and is often the target of government action - as exemplified by the actions of NY. Disney needs to decide what it wants to be - a business with the goal of making money, or a business with the goal of advancing a controversial political agenda like the NRA.

Need not be that specific example. Can be any business. Chick Fil a. Hobby Lobby. Etc. Businesses whose goals are making money but also espouse certain policy positions. Which, of course, SCOTUS has said they can do. Which is why this may not be constitutional in the first place. DeSantis is targeting Disney over its speech.

Businesses have no constitutional right to tax incentives from states!

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Anonymous wrote:Disney was in trouble way before this happened. It is plagued by infighting at the top, a pivot toward lower quality/higher volume service and merchandise, and degrading customee satisfaction. I'm pro free speech and conservative and I have conflicted views of this choice, but Disney probably needs a massive jolt to get back to its long history of high quality, family friendly entertainment.

What about diverse, same-sex couple families? Is entertainment friendly to them, as it stands?

Disney should not be hostile to any type of family. Being hostile to traditional families through its not-so-secret gay agenda is not a good look.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney was in trouble way before this happened. It is plagued by infighting at the top, a pivot toward lower quality/higher volume service and merchandise, and degrading customee satisfaction. I'm pro free speech and conservative and I have conflicted views of this choice, but Disney probably needs a massive jolt to get back to its long history of high quality, family friendly entertainment.

What about diverse, same-sex couple families? Is entertainment friendly to them, as it stands?

Disney should not be hostile to any type of family. Being hostile to traditional families through its not-so-secret gay agenda is not a good look.

In what way are they hostile to "traditional families" and what is one of those anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:Disney was in trouble way before this happened. It is plagued by infighting at the top, a pivot toward lower quality/higher volume service and merchandise, and degrading customee satisfaction. I'm pro free speech and conservative and I have conflicted views of this choice, but Disney probably needs a massive jolt to get back to its long history of high quality, family friendly entertainment.

What about diverse, same-sex couple families? Is entertainment friendly to them, as it stands?

I wouldn't presume to speak for LBGTQIAS2+~ experience of Disney, but I imagine they also appreciate merchandise that doesnt fall apart or have chipped paint, overselling/overcrowding of parks, and burger joints that dont exceed $70 per plate.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

I'm just not sure a government can punish a company financially on the basis of not liking a position it takes. To go along with the Newsom example above, could Fairfax County go after the National Firearms Museum from a tax perspective because it the county government doesn't like guns?

I don't know if taking away special tax breaks is the same thing as "punishment". NRA is a different ball of wax because the organization exists to advance certain political viewpoints. NRA is therefore fair game and is often the target of government action - as exemplified by the actions of NY. Disney needs to decide what it wants to be - a business with the goal of making money, or a business with the goal of advancing a controversial political agenda like the NRA.

Need not be that specific example. Can be any business. Chick Fil a. Hobby Lobby. Etc. Businesses whose goals are making money but also espouse certain policy positions. Which, of course, SCOTUS has said they can do. Which is why this may not be constitutional in the first place. DeSantis is targeting Disney over its speech.

Are these companies out there actively claiming that they will work to repeal certain laws in the states it operates? This is not a free speech issue. DeSantis is not claiming in any way that Disney can't say or act the way it wants to, so long as no laws are broken.

Of course it's a free speech issue. Companies employ lobbyists all the time in efforts to change laws. They donate to candidates of their choosing. That is all speech, SCOTUS has ruled as such repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

I'm just not sure a government can punish a company financially on the basis of not liking a position it takes. To go along with the Newsom example above, could Fairfax County go after the National Firearms Museum from a tax perspective because it the county government doesn't like guns?

I don't know if taking away special tax breaks is the same thing as "punishment". NRA is a different ball of wax because the organization exists to advance certain political viewpoints. NRA is therefore fair game and is often the target of government action - as exemplified by the actions of NY. Disney needs to decide what it wants to be - a business with the goal of making money, or a business with the goal of advancing a controversial political agenda like the NRA.

Need not be that specific example. Can be any business. Chick Fil a. Hobby Lobby. Etc. Businesses whose goals are making money but also espouse certain policy positions. Which, of course, SCOTUS has said they can do. Which is why this may not be constitutional in the first place. DeSantis is targeting Disney over its speech.

Are these companies out there actively claiming that they will work to repeal certain laws in the states it operates? This is not a free speech issue. DeSantis is not claiming in any way that Disney can't say or act the way it wants to, so long as no laws are broken.

Does it break the law to advocate that a law be repealed? Is that advocacy not part of "free speech"?

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

I'm just not sure a government can punish a company financially on the basis of not liking a position it takes. To go along with the Newsom example above, could Fairfax County go after the National Firearms Museum from a tax perspective because it the county government doesn't like guns?

I don't know if taking away special tax breaks is the same thing as "punishment". NRA is a different ball of wax because the organization exists to advance certain political viewpoints. NRA is therefore fair game and is often the target of government action - as exemplified by the actions of NY. Disney needs to decide what it wants to be - a business with the goal of making money, or a business with the goal of advancing a controversial political agenda like the NRA.

Need not be that specific example. Can be any business. Chick Fil a. Hobby Lobby. Etc. Businesses whose goals are making money but also espouse certain policy positions. Which, of course, SCOTUS has said they can do. Which is why this may not be constitutional in the first place. DeSantis is targeting Disney over its speech.

Are these companies out there actively claiming that they will work to repeal certain laws in the states it operates? This is not a free speech issue. DeSantis is not claiming in any way that Disney can't say or act the way it wants to, so long as no laws are broken.

Does it break the law to advocate that a law be repealed? Is that advocacy not part of "free speech"?

Exactly. Say what you want about Disney, but legally this is pretty problematic for DeSantis.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Literally every Dem candidate for the midterm elections should be hammering this point. DeSamtus cleverly has this not kicking in u til 2025 but the numbers are there and should be broadcasted far and wide.

The math is no so simple.

Currently Disney is able to self govern meaning tax and provide services.

Desantis is taking away Disney's ability to tax. Taxes at Disney properties will now go to local and state gov not Disney.

If Disney wants to maintain its current level of services it might need to continue to privately fund things such as EMS without the benefit of the tax revenue it currently enjoys.

I googled around for analysis and there is none to be had. The closest I got to are what you mentioned above, that Disney effectively taxes its own properties and use that to pay for the services it provides. As a result, property tax bill owed to the two counties it sits on would grow as a result. It also gets to issue bonds to use debt to pay for things. Having visited Disney recently, the roadways and facilities are all very nice, I agree. The government-paid roadways and facilities would not be as nice. But hey, Disney is all-in for more equity, right?

Guest you did not google very hard? Disney does not taxes it’s own properties. Are you really this stupid or are you just trying to support DeSantis attack on business?

Analysts Say Florida Stripping Disney World’s Power Could Cost Residents and Counties

The special district does not exempt Disney from paying property taxes,” Clark said. Disney is Central Florida’s largest taxpayer, paying nearly $300 million per year in property taxes to Orange and Osceola counties, as well as about $250 million in other state taxes.

So, if those counties had to assume many of the roles the Reedy Creek Improvement District now performs, they would be doing it without any real expanded income, save some potential permitting and other construction fees

https://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2022/04/19/analysts-say-florida-stripping-disney-worlds-power-could-cost-residents-and-counties/

You are trying to get too much mileage out of one FCU professor quoted on a food blog. Other newspapers like NYT, WaPo, and LA Times all reference the fact that the financial impacts are not at all clear or known.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-04-20/what-happens-if-disney-loses-its-self-government-powers-in-flordia

It is pretty obvious that Florida benefits greatly from Disney. Many families from around the world go there primarily for Disney. The only reason we have visited there several times was to go to Disney World.

De Santis is biting the hand that feeds him and I hope other states make attractive offers to Disney to relocate - starting with Maryland and Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no going back for Disney. Florida can penalize it all it wants. All that happens is that future investments will consider these actions.

Please! Even with this move, Florida is far more attractive to a business like Disney than a liberal state like California or NY. Per other posters, Disney should be positively celebrating this gift of legislation by DeSantis now that they will be able to transfer administrative costs to the government. They are probably popping bottles in the executive offices.

No not any more. Business do not like the big hand of republicans government telling them how to run their private business. Business are pulling out of Florida because it is so anti business, anti free market. All republicans want to do is increase taxes, increase regulations and red tape and expand government.

LOL, citation needed.

Funny how businesses are fleeing California and going to red states like Texas.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2021/08/27/businesses-are-fleeing-california-along-with-its-residents-and-president-biden-should-pay-attention/?sh=f3b845123273

It's not the win you think it is. It just means businesses are not tied to locale as much as they were in the past. What can come into a state can move from it just as quickly, especially if the local politicians seem a little unstable.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney is a business. It is going to end up losing a lot of money because of its foray into politics. People are selling their stock and cancelling their trips!

It has freedoms, no? The governor is trying to bend a corporation to HIS ideology. What happens when a political leader tries to bend you to their ideology?

Who is the fascist here?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no going back for Disney. Florida can penalize it all it wants. All that happens is that future investments will consider these actions.

Please! Even with this move, Florida is far more attractive to a business like Disney than a liberal state like California or NY. Per other posters, Disney should be positively celebrating this gift of legislation by DeSantis now that they will be able to transfer administrative costs to the government. They are probably popping bottles in the executive offices.

You realize NY and CA would together be the richest country in the world, right?