U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts on Friday called for a response from a Virginia school

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And I’d say that the new process STILL has a “disparate impact” on URMs given that admission rates are still disparate.

At the moment, one thing you can say as a positive for the new process is that the demographic of the admitted student pool roughly mirrors the demographic of the applicant pool. Which is a positive.

Not roughly. There were *still* disparities. This was covered on an old thread. I can’t look up at the moment but can try later.

You want disparate impact? Here are some egregious disparate impact:

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now.

No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

Did you forget Moon? He was the chair of the school board for a long time. And last time I checked - Tran is a house delegate from this county. Maybe they should have more representation but at least get the facts straight.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And thus you have the core of Heytens' concurrence. C4TJ only has a case inasmuch as they are comparing the results of the new process to the previous one. And as he mentioned, the reasoning that Hilton used and that Rushing essentially parroted would make it impossible to address any policy that actually had a disparate racial impact, whether purposefully or otherwise.

Heytens didn't say this, but Hilton's reasoning could be used to claim that the abolition of slavery had a disparate impact on white people and therefore was unconstitutional.

This is false. Disparate impact is merely evidence that the racist policy has had the intended racist effect. The underlying issue is the racist intent, not the disparate impact. Disparate impact could exist without racist intent and would be perfectly acceptable. For example, there is a disparate impact with regard to female predominance in nursing occupations which is not representative of the gender makeup of the general population. This disparate impact is due to much smaller male applicant pool, and not underlying sexist intent.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

On the other hand - that Omeish text is a really bad fact for FCPS here. I really think that text is having an impact.

Yes, it is.

Omeish is really bad. She's just stunningly bad, in many ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

On the other hand - that Omeish text is a really bad fact for FCPS here. I really think that text is having an impact.

It's not surprising what people will say and do when they believe they are on the right side of history. Gott mit uns.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

On the other hand - that Omeish text is a really bad fact for FCPS here. I really think that text is having an impact.

Yes, it is.

Omeish is really bad. She's just stunningly bad, in many ways.

I still cannot get over how she got on the sample ballot and how Fairfax Dems had to change the rules for the sample ballot process after that.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And I’d say that the new process STILL has a “disparate impact” on URMs given that admission rates are still disparate.

At the moment, one thing you can say as a positive for the new process is that the demographic of the admitted student pool roughly mirrors the demographic of the applicant pool. Which is a positive.

Not roughly. There were *still* disparities. This was covered on an old thread. I can’t look up at the moment but can try later.

You want disparate impact? Here are some egregious disparate impact:

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now.

No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

I’ve posted before that I support efforts to increase Asian representation in education and government.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/judges at least do some basic research before claiming that there are no Asian American Judges.

It ain't 20%. Only 6%. We want at least 20%! Disparate impact!

Where is C4TJ on this issue? Seems like they should get right on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And I’d say that the new process STILL has a “disparate impact” on URMs given that admission rates are still disparate.

At the moment, one thing you can say as a positive for the new process is that the demographic of the admitted student pool roughly mirrors the demographic of the applicant pool. Which is a positive.

Not roughly. There were *still* disparities. This was covered on an old thread. I can’t look up at the moment but can try later.

You want disparate impact? Here are some egregious disparate impact:

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now.

No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

Did you forget Moon? He was the chair of the school board for a long time. And last time I checked - Tran is a house delegate from this county. Maybe they should have more representation but at least get the facts straight.

Moon ain't there no mo and I am not sure about Tran.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And I’d say that the new process STILL has a “disparate impact” on URMs given that admission rates are still disparate.

At the moment, one thing you can say as a positive for the new process is that the demographic of the admitted student pool roughly mirrors the demographic of the applicant pool. Which is a positive.

Not roughly. There were *still* disparities. This was covered on an old thread. I can’t look up at the moment but can try later.

You want disparate impact? Here are some egregious disparate impact:

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now.

No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

Did you forget Moon? He was the chair of the school board for a long time. And last time I checked - Tran is a house delegate from this county. Maybe they should have more representation but at least get the facts straight.

Moon ain't there no mo and I am not sure about Tran.

Asians have been the victim of disparate impact for decades:

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials.

We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian prosecutors in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And I’d say that the new process STILL has a “disparate impact” on URMs given that admission rates are still disparate.

At the moment, one thing you can say as a positive for the new process is that the demographic of the admitted student pool roughly mirrors the demographic of the applicant pool. Which is a positive.

Not roughly. There were *still* disparities. This was covered on an old thread. I can’t look up at the moment but can try later.

You want disparate impact? Here are some egregious disparate impact:

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now.

No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

Did you forget Moon? He was the chair of the school board for a long time. And last time I checked - Tran is a house delegate from this county. Maybe they should have more representation but at least get the facts straight.

Moon ain't there no mo and I am not sure about Tran.

Asians have been the victim of disparate impact for decades:

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials.

We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian prosecutors in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ etc.

Where is Asra Nomani when you need her?

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And I’d say that the new process STILL has a “disparate impact” on URMs given that admission rates are still disparate.

At the moment, one thing you can say as a positive for the new process is that the demographic of the admitted student pool roughly mirrors the demographic of the applicant pool. Which is a positive.

Not roughly. There were *still* disparities. This was covered on an old thread. I can’t look up at the moment but can try later.

You want disparate impact? Here are some egregious disparate impact:

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now.

No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

Did you forget Moon? He was the chair of the school board for a long time. And last time I checked - Tran is a house delegate from this county. Maybe they should have more representation but at least get the facts straight.

Moon ain't there no mo and I am not sure about Tran.

Asians have been the victim of disparate impact for decades:

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials.

We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian prosecutors in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ etc.

Election results not do not equal disparate impact. That should not be in the conversation at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And I’d say that the new process STILL has a “disparate impact” on URMs given that admission rates are still disparate.

At the moment, one thing you can say as a positive for the new process is that the demographic of the admitted student pool roughly mirrors the demographic of the applicant pool. Which is a positive.

Not roughly. There were *still* disparities. This was covered on an old thread. I can’t look up at the moment but can try later.

You want disparate impact? Here are some egregious disparate impact:

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now.

No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

Did you forget Moon? He was the chair of the school board for a long time. And last time I checked - Tran is a house delegate from this county. Maybe they should have more representation but at least get the facts straight.

Moon ain't there no mo and I am not sure about Tran.

Asians have been the victim of disparate impact for decades:

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials.

We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian prosecutors in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ etc.

Election results not do not equal disparate impact. That should not be in the conversation at all.

Due to candidate suppression and voter suppression. Asians demand 20%.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Because the Asians in this region are overrepresented and stereotyped as being wealthy and privileged. Some would even call them white adjacent. People don't think they deserve to have 70% representation in the school when they are only 20% of the population.

URMs are stereotyped as being less wealthy and privileged, and their numbers at TJ are abysmal. People don't think that's fair and perpetuates a cycle. They believe URMs deserve extra help, even if that means discrimination against white or Asian kids. To many, the ends justify the means. To others, they should be discriminated against.

It's not stereotyping, prior to last year TJ and Langley vied for the fewest FARMs students in FCPS with TJ usually winning.

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The old admissions process only admitted 0.6% (<1%!!) economically-disadvantaged students in 2020.
https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-486-students

The 25% economically disadvantaged might be a fairy tale. Since any family could check yes to the meals questions and there was no verification whatsoever, it’s not clear at all how many members of the class of 2025 are low income.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

For godsake. destroying a school for equity purposes is absolutely obscene. you guys make me sick.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Friendly reminder that poor Asians were the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process per the data that was recently released - far moreso than Black or Hispanic students...

This is not a competition to divide the spoils!! you guys just don't get it...

So we should only care about “disparate impact” for certain groups, not all?

That's literally coalition for TJ's argument. They are claiming the the current system has a disparate impact on Asian applicants even though the prior system had a disparate impact on literally every other group.

And I’d say that the new process STILL has a “disparate impact” on URMs given that admission rates are still disparate.

At the moment, one thing you can say as a positive for the new process is that the demographic of the admitted student pool roughly mirrors the demographic of the applicant pool. Which is a positive.

Not roughly. There were *still* disparities. This was covered on an old thread. I can’t look up at the moment but can try later.

You want disparate impact? Here are some egregious disparate impact:

Asians have been totally shut out of a County that Asians make up 20% for many years now.

No member of the school board, no member of the Board of Supervisors, no member of County judges, no House delegates from the County, no representation in the top positions of FCPS, no representation in the leadership positions at TJ, no principals at any County schools, no representation at leadership positions at County police on and on and on. Why so quiet about these egregious complete and total lack of representation?

Did you forget Moon? He was the chair of the school board for a long time. And last time I checked - Tran is a house delegate from this county. Maybe they should have more representation but at least get the facts straight.

Moon ain't there no mo and I am not sure about Tran.

Asians have been the victim of disparate impact for decades:

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials.

We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian prosecutors in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ etc.

Election results not do not equal disparate impact. That should not be in the conversation at all.

Due to candidate suppression and voter suppression. Asians demand 20%.

Well maybe someone SHOULD look into how Moon didn't get on to the D sample ballot with FCDC.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these legal battles the best use of fcps tax dollars? Maybe if they spent more money on other aap programs people wouldn’t need to clamor so hard to get into the scarce resource that’s TJ

Just get rid of all race on apps

TJ doesn’t have race on the app.

Disparate impact is a recognized legal theory.

Interesting. So if certain races have much lower acceptance rates & enrollment #s than others is that a disparate impact?

It basically means something that is race neutral can still be found to be discriminatory if it results in having a disparate impact on a protected class. Something that is race neutral can be a proxy for doing something racist if it has the result of being discriminatory against certain races. It depends on the facts and who and how it impacts.

Right. So the current admissions process has a disparate impact on admissions for URMs — significantly lower rates of admission.

Is that what the facts show? What if you look at % of applicants of each race who applied that are accepted?

Yes. We already did that analysis on another thread.

Ok thanks. Why do we only care about URMs? There are poor Asians. And we didn’t have Hispanic people as slaves so it’s not reparations for them to be URMs. Sorry if that was already discussed.

Because the Asians in this region are overrepresented and stereotyped as being wealthy and privileged. Some would even call them white adjacent. People don't think they deserve to have 70% representation in the school when they are only 20% of the population.

URMs are stereotyped as being less wealthy and privileged, and their numbers at TJ are abysmal. People don't think that's fair and perpetuates a cycle. They believe URMs deserve extra help, even if that means discrimination against white or Asian kids. To many, the ends justify the means. To others, they should be discriminated against.

It's not stereotyping, prior to last year TJ and Langley vied for the fewest FARMs students in FCPS with TJ usually winning.

+1

The old admissions process only admitted 0.6% (<1%!!) economically-disadvantaged students in 2020.
https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-486-students

The 25% economically disadvantaged might be a fairy tale. Since any family could check yes to the meals questions and there was no verification whatsoever, it’s not clear at all how many members of the class of 2025 are low income.

Even 5% ED in the most recent class would be a huge jump in ED #s.

Any increase gets us closer to FCPS’s 27% ED.