People starving and going insane in Shanghai

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is from Shanghai and still has family there. She explained and said that people who are originally registered to live in Shanghai are getting supplies normally but those who have moved to the city from other places are lower on the priority list. The latter are facing shortages.

This makes sense. You can’t just live wherever you want to in china. Similar to the USSR, you have to have permission to move and settle somewhere. You have to officially register.

You have to register your move in most of Europe, too. Just don't need permission to do it. Dont make more of that than it is. Americans register their moves, they just don['t call it that because the registery is decentralized.

What on earth are you talking about? Americans registering their moves? That is not a thing.

Do you not put down a forwarding address with the post office? Do you get a new drivers license? Do you re-register to vote?

NP. None of that is required.

Sure, if you don't receive mail, don't drive, and don't vote you're golden

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is from Shanghai and still has family there. She explained and said that people who are originally registered to live in Shanghai are getting supplies normally but those who have moved to the city from other places are lower on the priority list. The latter are facing shortages.

This makes sense. You can’t just live wherever you want to in china. Similar to the USSR, you have to have permission to move and settle somewhere. You have to officially register.

You have to register your move in most of Europe, too. Just don't need permission to do it. Dont make more of that than it is. Americans register their moves, they just don['t call it that because the registery is decentralized.

What on earth are you talking about? Americans registering their moves? That is not a thing.

Do you not put down a forwarding address with the post office? Do you get a new drivers license? Do you re-register to vote?

DP. You don't seem to understand what you're trying to argue. Americans can move anywhere in the country, there's no restriction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is from Shanghai and still has family there. She explained and said that people who are originally registered to live in Shanghai are getting supplies normally but those who have moved to the city from other places are lower on the priority list. The latter are facing shortages.

This makes sense. You can’t just live wherever you want to in china. Similar to the USSR, you have to have permission to move and settle somewhere. You have to officially register.

You have to register your move in most of Europe, too. Just don't need permission to do it. Dont make more of that than it is. Americans register their moves, they just don['t call it that because the registery is decentralized.

What on earth are you talking about? Americans registering their moves? That is not a thing.

Do you not put down a forwarding address with the post office? Do you get a new drivers license? Do you re-register to vote?

I think this demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding. I get it. It's hard to wrap your brain around it and you don't want to believe it.

But, facts are facts. It's not simply an issue of registering. It's an issue of rights and resources. A person from a 3rd tier city in China does not have the same rights and access to resources if they were to move to another city, such as Shanghai, as a Shanghai native with a Shanghai hukou. If they are poor, it's even worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:China took a different aproach to Covid. They would look at the US and point out we've had over 1 million deaths from Covid, while China has had under 5,000.

There is a "cost" to both approaches. The Chinese approach means people are stuck in their apartments for weeks on end, and subject to draconian rules. The US approach provided a whole lot more freedom, but at the cost of over a million lives.

There are far more costs to the Chinese approach than simply being bored in their apartments for a few weeks. Covid is being prioritized over all other medical concerns. And if Chiba truly cared about its citizens it would have developed or accessed an effective vaccine. Of course there is fear of overwhelming the health system when even your vaccinated citizens aren’t all that protected against hospitalization/death relative to the unvaxxed.

The US hasn’t been perfect on Covid by any means, but since last spring the majority of people dying from Covid were unvaccinated. Choices have consequences.

[Anonymous]

Smh at the idiot actually believing that China only had 5,000 Covid deaths. Gullible AF.

As much as people may want to complain about the bad shit that happens here, so glad I'm not in China. Never going through another shutdown if I can help it.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is from Shanghai and still has family there. She explained and said that people who are originally registered to live in Shanghai are getting supplies normally but those who have moved to the city from other places are lower on the priority list. The latter are facing shortages.

This makes sense. You can’t just live wherever you want to in china. Similar to the USSR, you have to have permission to move and settle somewhere. You have to officially register.

You have to register your move in most of Europe, too. Just don't need permission to do it. Dont make more of that than it is. Americans register their moves, they just don['t call it that because the registery is decentralized.

What on earth are you talking about? Americans registering their moves? That is not a thing.

NP here, and former expat in china, and it absolutely is a thing for expats living on the mainland to register their whereabouts in a situation like this. We were there during swine flu.

In the past two weeks we’ve seen two sets of friends from our time there. Both times the convo has been how there is no effing way we would be there, or in HK, right now. I would have left all my things behind when it first broke. Swine flu was a bazillion times tamer, and scary AF.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is from Shanghai and still has family there. She explained and said that people who are originally registered to live in Shanghai are getting supplies normally but those who have moved to the city from other places are lower on the priority list. The latter are facing shortages.

This makes sense. You can’t just live wherever you want to in china. Similar to the USSR, you have to have permission to move and settle somewhere. You have to officially register.

You have to register your move in most of Europe, too. Just don't need permission to do it. Dont make more of that than it is. Americans register their moves, they just don['t call it that because the registery is decentralized.

What on earth are you talking about? Americans registering their moves? That is not a thing.

Do you not put down a forwarding address with the post office? Do you get a new drivers license? Do you re-register to vote?

DP. You don't seem to understand what you're trying to argue. Americans can move anywhere in the country, there's no restriction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou

PP was insinuating that America is the exception and that even Europe requires registration. Registration and permission are different things, and Americans do have to inform the government when they move

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is from Shanghai and still has family there. She explained and said that people who are originally registered to live in Shanghai are getting supplies normally but those who have moved to the city from other places are lower on the priority list. The latter are facing shortages.

This makes sense. You can’t just live wherever you want to in china. Similar to the USSR, you have to have permission to move and settle somewhere. You have to officially register.

You have to register your move in most of Europe, too. Just don't need permission to do it. Dont make more of that than it is. Americans register their moves, they just don['t call it that because the registery is decentralized.

Okay, so when an American moves to another American city where they were not born, are they allowed to enroll their kids into the nearby public schools?

Are they allowed to go to any hospital in a different city?

Are they allowed to register to have multiple children?

Because if you don't have a hukou and live in that same city, you don't have all of those privileges. And, you can't get these privileges by "registering." If merely registering were the solution, there would be no problem.

Yes, even undocumented people have the right to an education and medical care in the USA

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This is what most of you voted for and wished for here, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:China took a different aproach to Covid. They would look at the US and point out we've had over 1 million deaths from Covid, while China has had under 5,000.

There is a "cost" to both approaches. The Chinese approach means people are stuck in their apartments for weeks on end, and subject to draconian rules. The US approach provided a whole lot more freedom, but at the cost of over a million lives.

There are far more costs to the Chinese approach than simply being bored in their apartments for a few weeks. Covid is being prioritized over all other medical concerns. And if Chiba truly cared about its citizens it would have developed or accessed an effective vaccine. Of course there is fear of overwhelming the health system when even your vaccinated citizens aren’t all that protected against hospitalization/death relative to the unvaxxed.

The US hasn’t been perfect on Covid by any means, but since last spring the majority of people dying from Covid were unvaccinated. Choices have consequences.

Both approaches are untenable extremes. We need safe yet not freedom-crushing middle ground.

[Anonymous]

Who are the volunteers?

[Anonymous]

Why don’t they just wear masks? DCUM posters constantly tell us that this is the solution. They should have plenty given that they manufacture them.

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Anonymous wrote:Was browsing Reddit and this video made the front page. It is absolutely terrifying:

https://v.redd.it/8yh42x9n3ls81

That's the sound of a city of 20 million people being forced to lockdown due to the govt's mandate for zero COVID. The lockdown was put in place suddenly, so people didn't have time to prepare. Many are running out of food, and they cannot even step one foot outside of their apartment doors. There is no food deliver, and everything is shutdown, so they couldn't even buy food if they wanted to. Some people even said authorities were flying drones with speakers warning people not to open their balcony doors and that they should not sing while standing outside:

I can't believe this country is supposed to take over the world. This is some terrifying dystopian stuff and what happens when a govt gets too much power over people's lives. I guess imprisoning and starving people is better than COVID. The trucker convoy really needs to go to Shanghai, not DC.

I mean, I pretty casually watch the news and I have understood that China is a pretty freaky dystopian state for many years now. The only people who can actually change that are the Chinese themselves.

Casual Chinese news watchers would probably think there's a lot of dystopian stuff going on here too.

Lots of people are concerned about both places. But DCUM is usually cheering on the dystopian stuff in the U.S.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Was browsing Reddit and this video made the front page. It is absolutely terrifying:

https://v.redd.it/8yh42x9n3ls81

That's the sound of a city of 20 million people being forced to lockdown due to the govt's mandate for zero COVID. The lockdown was put in place suddenly, so people didn't have time to prepare. Many are running out of food, and they cannot even step one foot outside of their apartment doors. There is no food deliver, and everything is shutdown, so they couldn't even buy food if they wanted to. Some people even said authorities were flying drones with speakers warning people not to open their balcony doors and that they should not sing while standing outside:

I can't believe this country is supposed to take over the world. This is some terrifying dystopian stuff and what happens when a govt gets too much power over people's lives. I guess imprisoning and starving people is better than COVID. The trucker convoy really needs to go to Shanghai, not DC.

I mean, I pretty casually watch the news and I have understood that China is a pretty freaky dystopian state for many years now. The only people who can actually change that are the Chinese themselves.

Casual Chinese news watchers would probably think there's a lot of dystopian stuff going on here too.

This is called whataboutism, a classic propaganda technique.

Start your own thread if you would like to discuss the US.

The Chinese government almost never engages in whataboutism, It kept its mouth shut about America's historical abuses of its own people - which defines the majority of America's few hundred years of history. China pretty much ignores what America has to say and minds its own business.
It would be the US that is constantly criticizing other countries and cultures, projecting its own insecurities.

Apparently you don't get out much. Chinese state media and CCP speeches are full of recriminations against the U.S. and its society.

[Anonymous]

I saw a chilling video this morning on the today show about people in china screaming out at night while locked in their high rises. It’s just terrible.