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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Well, that would be nice, but where is the plot of land big enough?

There was a site in downtown Silver Spring big enough vacated by the Planning Board but it was given away to a developer.

There is also the Adventist Hospital site in Takoma Park. The more one looks the more land seems to be available. It’s just a question of will.

Who's going to pay for it?

Who pays for anything around here?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

DP. I'm sorry, but MCPS's "first order of business" is to relieve overcrowding at both WJ and the DCC high schools. That needs to take place before any seats are "reserved for magnet students."

You should take that up with MCPS. They are the ones who decided to put a performing arts magnet there. They’ve already paid for the plans and architectural renderings. Maybe you should have been engaged with the BOE during the early planning stage 5 years ago when they made these decisions because you seem very opinionated about it.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. The BOE didn't make any decisions about a Woodward magnet five years ago, or any time since. Every time this has come up for discussion, the staff have hemmed and hawed with MCPS-like phrases such as "the program has not yet been determined." They are going to wait and see what the enrollment numbers are like when the boundary study begins, and again before the final decisions are made, to see what number of seats may still be available.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why they are ramming through a performing arts space. Who's agenda is this, now that Smith is gone, and besides, it is going to cost a fortune.

Einstein has Visual Arts, Northwood has performing arts, and the community didn't ask for this. We live in one of the catchment area schools that will be relieved of overcrowding once Woodward opens/after Northwood leaves.

I personally am a supporter of the arts, but our community always wanted a traditional HS, not a performing arts magnet!

Actually the community did ask for it. I thought Einstein had the preforming arts? What is the difference between the two programs?

Woodward is not part of the DCC.

Woodward is planned to relieve overcrowding in the DCC. Whether it's part of the DCC or not is to be seen.

This makes no sense when Woodward is not close to downcountry. I wouldn't want my child commuting the far.

It's really not that far from Wheaton and Einstein.

This. Plus, Northwood is actually going to be temporarily housed there while it’s expansion is completed. I would not be surprised if Woodward becomes part of the DCC since it will certainly absorb some existing DCC students when it re-opens, in addition to being a temporary placement for a DCC HS prior to re-opening as Woodward.

Potomac ES was temporarily housed at Radnor. I’m not sure that means much.

I think a lot of DCC parents are going to end up disappointed if they think Woodward will take a lot of DCC students. Particularly since they have now downsized the school.

Priority will be relieving WJ. After that, who knows.

We don’t know what they will do but I personally have zero interest in that commute.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Well, that would be nice, but where is the plot of land big enough?

They could have bought the land Walmart would have gone on that will now be Kaiser. Or how about where the Kmart was? There are options.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

DP. I'm sorry, but MCPS's "first order of business" is to relieve overcrowding at both WJ and the DCC high schools. That needs to take place before any seats are "reserved for magnet students."

You should take that up with MCPS. They are the ones who decided to put a performing arts magnet there. They’ve already paid for the plans and architectural renderings. Maybe you should have been engaged with the BOE during the early planning stage 5 years ago when they made these decisions because you seem very opinionated about it.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. The BOE didn't make any decisions about a Woodward magnet five years ago, or any time since. Every time this has come up for discussion, the staff have hemmed and hawed with MCPS-like phrases such as "the program has not yet been determined." They are going to wait and see what the enrollment numbers are like when the boundary study begins, and again before the final decisions are made, to see what number of seats may still be available.

Facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

DP. I'm sorry, but MCPS's "first order of business" is to relieve overcrowding at both WJ and the DCC high schools. That needs to take place before any seats are "reserved for magnet students."

You should take that up with MCPS. They are the ones who decided to put a performing arts magnet there. They’ve already paid for the plans and architectural renderings. Maybe you should have been engaged with the BOE during the early planning stage 5 years ago when they made these decisions because you seem very opinionated about it.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. The BOE didn't make any decisions about a Woodward magnet five years ago, or any time since. Every time this has come up for discussion, the staff have hemmed and hawed with MCPS-like phrases such as "the program has not yet been determined." They are going to wait and see what the enrollment numbers are like when the boundary study begins, and again before the final decisions are made, to see what number of seats may still be available.

You’re the one making assumptions. LOL!

I get it all that you specifically bought a house in the DCC believing that they will rezone you to a “W”, but maybe you shouldn’t get your hopes up?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

DP. I'm sorry, but MCPS's "first order of business" is to relieve overcrowding at both WJ and the DCC high schools. That needs to take place before any seats are "reserved for magnet students."

You should take that up with MCPS. They are the ones who decided to put a performing arts magnet there. They’ve already paid for the plans and architectural renderings. Maybe you should have been engaged with the BOE during the early planning stage 5 years ago when they made these decisions because you seem very opinionated about it.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. The BOE didn't make any decisions about a Woodward magnet five years ago, or any time since. Every time this has come up for discussion, the staff have hemmed and hawed with MCPS-like phrases such as "the program has not yet been determined." They are going to wait and see what the enrollment numbers are like when the boundary study begins, and again before the final decisions are made, to see what number of seats may still be available.

Everything in bold above is literally an assumption.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Well, that would be nice, but where is the plot of land big enough?

They could have bought the land Walmart would have gone on that will now be Kaiser. Or how about where the Kmart was? There are options.

Were any of these plots 35 acres? That's what they need for a high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

DP. I'm sorry, but MCPS's "first order of business" is to relieve overcrowding at both WJ and the DCC high schools. That needs to take place before any seats are "reserved for magnet students."

You should take that up with MCPS. They are the ones who decided to put a performing arts magnet there. They’ve already paid for the plans and architectural renderings. Maybe you should have been engaged with the BOE during the early planning stage 5 years ago when they made these decisions because you seem very opinionated about it.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. The BOE didn't make any decisions about a Woodward magnet five years ago, or any time since. Every time this has come up for discussion, the staff have hemmed and hawed with MCPS-like phrases such as "the program has not yet been determined." They are going to wait and see what the enrollment numbers are like when the boundary study begins, and again before the final decisions are made, to see what number of seats may still be available.

You’re the one making assumptions. LOL!

I get it all that you specifically bought a house in the DCC believing that they will rezone you to a “W”, but maybe you shouldn’t get your hopes up?

Wrong again!

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

DP. I'm sorry, but MCPS's "first order of business" is to relieve overcrowding at both WJ and the DCC high schools. That needs to take place before any seats are "reserved for magnet students."

You should take that up with MCPS. They are the ones who decided to put a performing arts magnet there. They’ve already paid for the plans and architectural renderings. Maybe you should have been engaged with the BOE during the early planning stage 5 years ago when they made these decisions because you seem very opinionated about it.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. The BOE didn't make any decisions about a Woodward magnet five years ago, or any time since. Every time this has come up for discussion, the staff have hemmed and hawed with MCPS-like phrases such as "the program has not yet been determined." They are going to wait and see what the enrollment numbers are like when the boundary study begins, and again before the final decisions are made, to see what number of seats may still be available.

Everything in bold above is literally an assumption.

Call it an educated guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired then, because there are plenty of posts here ignoring that the stated purpose of Woodward is to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC, not WJ first and then the DCC if possible, or WJ and a 500 seat magnet and then the DCC if possible. Nowhere has MCPS committed to reserving 500 seats at Woodward for a county wide magnet. There are also multiple split articulation MS in MCPS, they do not need to keep the Tilden cluster together, especially when talking about a HS whose whole purpose is to alleviate overcrowding at multiple HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

DP. I'm sorry, but MCPS's "first order of business" is to relieve overcrowding at both WJ and the DCC high schools. That needs to take place before any seats are "reserved for magnet students."

You should take that up with MCPS. They are the ones who decided to put a performing arts magnet there. They’ve already paid for the plans and architectural renderings. Maybe you should have been engaged with the BOE during the early planning stage 5 years ago when they made these decisions because you seem very opinionated about it.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. The BOE didn't make any decisions about a Woodward magnet five years ago, or any time since. Every time this has come up for discussion, the staff have hemmed and hawed with MCPS-like phrases such as "the program has not yet been determined." They are going to wait and see what the enrollment numbers are like when the boundary study begins, and again before the final decisions are made, to see what number of seats may still be available.

You’re the one making assumptions. LOL!

I get it all that you specifically bought a house in the DCC believing that they will rezone you to a “W”, but maybe you shouldn’t get your hopes up?

Lol and right on cue a Bethesda poster shows up with the exact attitude described earlier in the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

I don’t think any Bethesda parents are saying that. I’ve never heard WJ parents say things like this. They understand DCC schools will be included in the boundary study. And the PP seems to be from the DCC.

But I think its fair to say that no one will be 100% happy when they do the boundary study (are they ever?). Thankfully, we are getting a brand new school to alleviate the overcrowding and hopefully provide a performing arts center of excellence. We are very fortunate, aren’t we?

I mean, you can just read the previous page of the thread to see the people who are saying that.

I’m not sure who you are arguing with but I’ve read the thread and can assure you that they don’t exist.

Nobody is trying to deny DCC schools anything and surely the BOE will ultimately decide. There are however a lot of people are asking legitimate questions about how this is all going to work given basic constraints.

WJ is currently 2,800 and over capacity of 2,300.
Woodward will have capacity of 2,160 with about 500 seats reserved for magnet students.
North Bethesda MS is 1,000.
Tilden MS is 1,400.

So as a first order of business, if Woodard is in a cluster with Tilden MS and a performing arts magnet, it will open effectively at full capacity. WJ on the other hand will have probably 1,000 seats available but as people are pointing out, there is a question of how many of these seats would essentially be reserved to accommodate a huge amount of permitted development at Strathmore, WMAL towers, White Flint Mall, etc. Not to mention the fact that this specific area of North Bethesda is targeted by the county for more high density development as part of its Thrive plan. How many seats will need to be reserved? I guess the demographers will tell us. In the end, there will probably not be enough capacity to accommodate half of Rock View ES.

DP. I'm sorry, but MCPS's "first order of business" is to relieve overcrowding at both WJ and the DCC high schools. That needs to take place before any seats are "reserved for magnet students."

You should take that up with MCPS. They are the ones who decided to put a performing arts magnet there. They’ve already paid for the plans and architectural renderings. Maybe you should have been engaged with the BOE during the early planning stage 5 years ago when they made these decisions because you seem very opinionated about it.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. The BOE didn't make any decisions about a Woodward magnet five years ago, or any time since. Every time this has come up for discussion, the staff have hemmed and hawed with MCPS-like phrases such as "the program has not yet been determined." They are going to wait and see what the enrollment numbers are like when the boundary study begins, and again before the final decisions are made, to see what number of seats may still be available.

Everything in bold above is literally an assumption.

Call it an educated guess.

I’m interested how you would presume (or is that assume?) to know what the BOE will do when the BOE has not said what they will do. I would also be interested to understand your rationale for why they are paying for design and renderings for Phase 2, which represents all of the spaces for the performing arts magnet, if they don’t plan to open a performing arts magnet. Why would MCPS waste this time and money?

And my last question, if they fill up WJ and Woodward to capacity with DCC students, where will the students generated from all of these developments people keep mentioning go to school? Particularly since most of these developments are within the walk zone of both schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any reason why are people assuming that DCC students will be rezoned only to Woodward, and not to WJ as well? They are going to try to reduce disparities in FARMS rates between neighboring schools as well as they reasonably can, right?

This doesn't make sense as it would be a terrible commute for DCC. It makes more sense to pull from BCC, WJ, and and some of the other local W schools, and maybe parts of Einstein. I don't want my kids making that commute.

There are feeders to Einstein and Wheaton that are not a terrible commute to Woodward (Oakland Terrace and Viers Mill in particular). And the bottom line is Einstein is very overcrowded, so some of those kids will have to be sent to Woodward. I love the Bethesda parents on here who act like everything is based on their whims. No, WJ is not the only consideration here, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BOE is not going to just ignore the DCC because that is not a good look for equity considerations. There is no chance they tell the lower income families down county that their kids have to stay in overcrowded schools with portable trailers so that the Bethesda snowflakes have enough space and can all maintain their little bubble. Give me a break.

As a OTES parent, the commute would be terrible. Einstein, Wheaton, and Northwood are much closer. It makes no sense.

They need to open an additional DCC high school.

Oakland Terrace is less than 5 minutes from Parkwood, which goes to WJ, which is the same distance as it will be from Woodward. There may be other reasons OTES doesn’t get zoned to Woodward but the commute, given it’s proximity to Parkwood, isn’t one of them. It’s a utilization issue. There are too many kids at Einstein, Blair, and WJ, and that is in no way going to decrease over the coming years, so Blair will get some of its kids sent to Northwood and Einstein and WJ will have some of their kids sent to Woodward.

Oh I get it. You want to send poor kids from
Einstein to Woodard so that you can get more poor kids away from Larlx at Blair? People are funny.