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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I just don’t get it. Where is the sense of perspective? You think bringing black kids into the world is abusive?

Did anyone think this in the 50s/60s? During Jim Crow? Things are monumentally better for black people and all people now. Massive legal reform, economic progress, equal (or better) representation in culture and the arts, black millionaires and billionaires, presidents and senators. Every elite institution is bending over backward to unload trucks of money for qualified black candidates. No company in America would even think of publishing an ad campaign not featuring POC or putting out a movie that doesn’t feature a heroic black or other POC lead character. Decades of rampant police abuse of POC is finally getting exposed for all to see and stamped out for good.

But… Virginia barely elected a Republican? And queue the hysteria?

I clearly have a view, but I’m honestly not trying to be insensitive or obtuse. The black people I’m close to—admittedly, rich and mostly from top schools, etc—are doing just great.

I genuinely just feel like people are living in alternate universes right now. We’re not even describing the same factual world. [/quote]

If you’re seriously wondering what people thought in the 50s /60s there are plenty of resources out there and plenty of people that you can ask.  I would say more, but I’m not clear from your diatribe that you’re here to learn. Do you know, for example, the percentage of Black kids who attend underfunded, racially segregated schools? Have you thought about how and why this reality came to be? 
 Here’s some fun reading for you.

https://www.epi.org/publication/schools-are-still-segregated-and-black-children-are-paying-a-price/

One quick question though: Who do I call to get access to those truckloads of money?  I don’t want a lot. Just enough to feel reasonably secure both now and as I head towards retirement. I have an Ivy League degree, a PhD, and I can code switch with alacrity.
 
You may not be trying to be insensitive or obtuse, but if the Black people you are close to are “admittedly, rich and mostly from top schools, etc (and) doing just great”, you surely must realize that 1) those people are hardly representative of Black Americans as a demographic group, and 2) while they might truly be doing “just great”, you may or may not be privy to the stressors that they’re facing in the process.

I truly hope you’re right about police abuse of POC getting “stamped out for good” — but little that I’ve seen or read suggests that.  Perhaps you can provide us with some data when you get tired from accusing people whose challenges you do not share of “hysteria “.

tldr: Things might be better in many respects for a few, and that’s great. Representation is also great. But we really are not living in the same world much of the time.  If you would sincerely like to explore the issues that you’ve raised, consider starting another thread.

OP: Sometimes it IS hard, and it helps to have people in your Village who can see that too. I hope you have a strong support system. 
I hope that things get better — for you and your family, and for us all.  Sending positive thoughts your way.  [/quote]

I hope that your PhD allows you to analyze the data that shows that most majority Black, failing, inner city schools are spending lots more than suburban schools per pupil, and that those areas are almost always governed by Democrats.  Yes, there are underfunded rural schools with Blacks, but I presume you can also look at the research and find that academic achievement is unrelated to dollars spent.  Expectations rather than dollars dictate achievement.  And any type of teaching, using whatever semantic term you would like, that teaches kids that they are society's victims and that the achievement level of their cultural group has been dictated by outsiders, is harmful to those expectations.[/quote]

Yep, it does. And one of the things you’re overlooking is the disproportionate amount of money that many older schools need to spend on things like maintenance.  And academic achievement is not “unrelated to dollars spent”.  There are multiple ways to define and operationalize “academic achievement “ and multiple ways to “spend dollars”. Resurfacing a football field might not change the school wide test scores in reading for at-risk seventh graders, for example, while investing in individual tutoring, experienced teachers, and smaller classes might. Same dollars — different results.

I completely agree with your last sentence. We likely have very different ideas about how to best remedy such long-standing problems based in generations of segregated and often substandard educational systems. [/quote]

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