Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

[Anonymous]

Should I check in my elderly neighbors to make sure they have a stock of things? I have one who lives by himself and is in his mid-80s. I rarely see family there and he is very self-supporting (still drives and mows his own yard). I don’t want to be insulting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those that claim it's no worse than a flu:
"About 60% of U.S. adults have at least one underlying health condition, Tom Frieden, former director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters on Monday." https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/
So many of us are screwed.

Perhaps, my mild immune-suppressive drugs will work in my favor!

This was said about pregnant women not getting pneumonia:

“ It may be that immuno-suppression is actually helpful. Some of the most serious symptoms of Covid-19 result from an immune system on the rampage rather than a lethargic one, Chinese scientists found: An extreme immune response called cytokine storm, a flood of immune cells and the biochemicals they produce, tears through lung tissue.”

I earlier posted a thread from reddit that is the only discussion I've seen of this topic. One interesting thing is that Chinese doctors have experimented with Plaquenil, used for some autoimmune diseases like lupus, to treat COVID-19

Let me know if you'd like me to dig it up and repost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nine dead now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-news.amp.html%3f0p19G=2870

Two of these deaths have been attributed to COVID-19 in retrospect. Both were residents of the Washington LTC facility and both died on February 26, several days before it was known COVID-19 was circulating at the facility. I am assuming they were diagnosed by autopsy.

In big place like that, elderly residents die on daily basis. Just sad nature of the place. Add the stress and flu... gone.

I don't think 9 of them normally die in a week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nine dead now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-news.amp.html%3f0p19G=2870

Two of these deaths have been attributed to COVID-19 in retrospect. Both were residents of the Washington LTC facility and both died on February 26, several days before it was known COVID-19 was circulating at the facility. I am assuming they were diagnosed by autopsy.

In big place like that, elderly residents die on daily basis. Just sad nature of the place. Add the stress and flu... gone.

I don't think 9 of them normally die in a week.

Old people dying in a nursing home--hardly deserving of the panic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nine dead now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-news.amp.html%3f0p19G=2870

Two of these deaths have been attributed to COVID-19 in retrospect. Both were residents of the Washington LTC facility and both died on February 26, several days before it was known COVID-19 was circulating at the facility. I am assuming they were diagnosed by autopsy.

In big place like that, elderly residents die on daily basis. Just sad nature of the place. Add the stress and flu... gone.

I don't think 9 of them normally die in a week.

Old people dying in a nursing home--hardly deserving of the panic.

The concern is seeing how the virus has affected other countries. The sh1t hadn’t hit the fan here yet. And we are doing nothing to stop the community spread right now. No testing, no tracing, no quarantines.

So when it does....it won’t be good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why we don't have sufficient testing? If we do many many tests, it will be apparent that this is truly a pandemic and WHO will be forced to called this a "pandemic" (backed by the flood of positive tests). If WHO calls this a pandemic, the powerful bond holders of the "pandemic bonds" would lose $650+ millions of dollars. Scheduled maturity date is July 15, 2020, so the forces that be will try to prevent calling this a pandemic till or after this date....and with that perhaps hold back the testing.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2017/06/28/world-bank-launches-first-ever-pandemic-bonds-to-support-500-million-pandemic-emergency-financing-facility

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/feb/28/world-banks-500m-coronavirus-push-too-late-for-poor-countries-experts-say

Absolute nonsense. The triggers for the bonds to pay out are very clearly set out, and have nothing to do with whether or not the WHO calls it a pandemic. You can argue that they are not well chosen, and the payout comes too late, but there is no way these bonds are influencing the WHO's decision about whether to call it a pandemic, or the CDC's decisions about how and when to test. This is just conspiracy-theory crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why we don't have sufficient testing? If we do many many tests, it will be apparent that this is truly a pandemic and WHO will be forced to called this a "pandemic" (backed by the flood of positive tests). If WHO calls this a pandemic, the powerful bond holders of the "pandemic bonds" would lose $650+ millions of dollars. Scheduled maturity date is July 15, 2020, so the forces that be will try to prevent calling this a pandemic till or after this date....and with that perhaps hold back the testing.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2017/06/28/world-bank-launches-first-ever-pandemic-bonds-to-support-500-million-pandemic-emergency-financing-facility

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/feb/28/world-banks-500m-coronavirus-push-too-late-for-poor-countries-experts-say

Absolute nonsense. The triggers for the bonds to pay out are very clearly set out, and have nothing to do with whether or not the WHO calls it a pandemic. You can argue that they are not well chosen, and the payout comes too late, but there is no way these bonds are influencing the WHO's decision about whether to call it a pandemic, or the CDC's decisions about how and when to test. This is just conspiracy-theory crap.

These are a category of catastrophe bond.

Insurance companies use these to transfer risk to other players in the financial markets, who are paid well to take on the risk, which may or may not materialize.

Also, there is a very old product, which still exists, called flower bonds. These pay out when the holder dies (and is pushing daisies, hence, the flower name) instead of at maturity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should I check in my elderly neighbors to make sure they have a stock of things? I have one who lives by himself and is in his mid-80s. I rarely see family there and he is very self-supporting (still drives and mows his own yard). I don’t want to be insulting.

Yes. And also offer help in any emergency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nine dead now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-news.amp.html%3f0p19G=2870

Two of these deaths have been attributed to COVID-19 in retrospect. Both were residents of the Washington LTC facility and both died on February 26, several days before it was known COVID-19 was circulating at the facility. I am assuming they were diagnosed by autopsy.

In big place like that, elderly residents die on daily basis. Just sad nature of the place. Add the stress and flu... gone.

I don't think 9 of them normally die in a week.

Old people dying in a nursing home--hardly deserving of the panic.

In a 500 room place? In a cold season? Do you know thar many if not most elderly die within the first three months of moving into those places.

[Anonymous]

situation in Italy:

62 year old psychotherapist dies of coronavirus; they are trying to figure out if he had any underlying health issues but none are immediately known.

He was an Alzheimer's therapist and pioneered certain techniques (doll therapy) in Bergamo.

Tired on Tuesday evening; difficulty breathing on Thursday evening; hospitalized on Friday and died Sunday night.

Cilesi had arrived in Salsomaggiore (Parma), at his partner's house, on Tuesday evening: he was experiencing some malaise but had no fever. It just seemed tired of the many commitments and projects he was following. Then the situation precipitated within three days: a respiratory crisis on Thursday night, hospitalization at Vaio hospital (in Fidenza, Parma) on Friday night, where he tested positive for the coronavirus swab. On Saturday he was transferred to the Maggiore hospital of Parma where he died on the night between Sunday and Monday.

He was not particularly worried about the coronavirus, "it is a slightly higher flu", he said, "we respect the directives but we are calm, we go out with mask and gloves" to go to the wards, but he was also "angry" for a certain kind of communication on the "most affected elderly" as to minimize the losses of these days.

https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/bergamo-citta/coronavirus-cilesi-non-era-preoccupato-verifiche-su-eventuali-patologie-pregre_1343503_11/

[Anonymous]

The average age of participants when they moved to a nursing home was about 83. The average length of stay before death was 13.7 months, while the median was five months. Fifty-three percent of nursing home residents in the study died within six months.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/08/98172/social-support-key-nursing-home-length-stay-death


And that study was done in normal times.

[Anonymous]

Does anybody else have a feeling that we are way behind every other industrialized nation? If we survive this as a family, I will consider emigrating. I would also not be surprised if this will be the end of US dominance in the world - with our health system and poverty and crime, combined with a willful head in the sand behavior by our government and CDC, we will fare far worse than many other developed countries. I am so ashamed.

[Anonymous]

Situation in Italy:

Is it time to add Bergamo to the "red zone"? There are more new cases in Bergamo than in Lodi (which is in the red zone -- more restrictions; under shut down)

The head of hospital was positive for coronavirus but he has been discharged. A young baby is positive.

https://www.bergamonews.it/2020/03/03/gallera-bergamo-zona-rossa-liss-sta-valutando-oggi-li-piu-contagiati-che-a-lodi/357518

Gallera: “Bergamo red zone? The ISS is evaluating: today more infected than in Lodi "

In Bergamo, there are 372 confirmed cases of Coronavirus: the increase, which is of concern, is 129. Alzano's primary cured, but there is a sick and infected young child

More than 1,500 people from Lombardy have become infected with Coronavirus. But there is also, above all, good news. Above all, the resignation from the hospital of Legnano, where he was hospitalized, of the primary of the hospital of Alzano Lombardo .

The councilor for Welfare of the Lombardy Region Giulio Gallera announced it in the usual press conference at 6.00 pm : “Today, Wednesday 3 March, Coronavirus positive patients have become 1520. Of these - explained the councilor - 698 are hospitalized, 167 hospitalized in intensive care and 461 in home isolation. The dead are 55 ".

“A small child is hospitalized to Pope Giovanni di Bergamo: his situation is not compromised - continued Gallera -, he is hospitalized in neonatal pathology. Breathe independently for luck. "

In Bergamo, there are 372 confirmed cases of Coronavirus. The increase is 129. In Lodi, however, there are 98 new cases.

“Red area in the lower Val Seriana? In the area of ??Nembro and Alzano Lombardo there is a strong increase in cases - confirmed the councilor - we asked those who have the duty to make new assessments and to communicate to us and to the Government how best to move. Bergamo today has the highest number of infected people, even more than the area of ??Lodi and its outbreaks ".

They ask him if the Red Zone in Bergamo is desirable, given the numbers. "What is emerging - Gallera replies - is that the hospital facilities in those two-three areas most affected are under a lot of pressure, while in the other areas of Lombardy there are spaces and men to be made available. As long as we manage to manage in this way, it may be fine, but if the infection spreads in the rest of the region the system is unable to withstand.

Therefore the growing number of infections in Bergamasca deserves serious consideration to prevent it from spreading to other areas. of the region. If the only way, according to the Istituto Superiore di Sanità is to make a new red zone, then let's do it. The ISS - he announces - is about to make an official communication to us and to the government ".

Through a post on the official page of the municipality of Spinone al Lago, the mayor Simone Scaburri reports that the first case of coronavirus occurred in the municipality of Spinone al Lago.
The protocols have been activated for the affected person and his contacts.

A new case also in Bariano, as mayor Andrea Rota explained with a post on Facebook.

Tampons (test swabs), explained Councilor Gallera again, in the last few days are made only to patients who present critical situations or who come to the emergency room with symptoms attributable to Coronavirus.

“The pathology is steadily increasing - Gallera continued - but the measures in place are bearing fruit. Now we will start publishing posters to encourage over 65s to stay at home. "

Note -- they are only testing serious cases now -- or those who come to the ER. Not those at home with mild symptoms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should I check in my elderly neighbors to make sure they have a stock of things? I have one who lives by himself and is in his mid-80s. I rarely see family there and he is very self-supporting (still drives and mows his own yard). I don’t want to be insulting.

That would be very nice of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nine dead now
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/world/coronavirus-news.amp.html%3f0p19G=2870

Two of these deaths have been attributed to COVID-19 in retrospect. Both were residents of the Washington LTC facility and both died on February 26, several days before it was known COVID-19 was circulating at the facility. I am assuming they were diagnosed by autopsy.

In big place like that, elderly residents die on daily basis. Just sad nature of the place. Add the stress and flu... gone.

I don't think 9 of them normally die in a week.

Old people dying in a nursing home--hardly deserving of the panic.

Nor your disrespect.