FCPS paying for Critical Race Theory curriculum. To be implemented in a year

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Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

I think he should be “honored” by continuing to be taught about (rigorously, critically, and honestly— not glossing over the rape and human enslavement) in public schools. Monticello, to the extent it is funded privately, is a more than adequate shrine to the man if one must exist.

You should read some more. Jefferson is a lot more important to this country than Monticello. He was truly foundational.

I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense. Monticello— again to the extent it is privately funded— is, in my opinion, quite adequate. And because he was a foundational historical figure he can certainly continue to make up part of a history curriculum, though that curriculum shouldn’t skip the uncomfortable fact of his slave ownership, rape, and allowing his children to be raised enslaved. He is certainly a fascinating historical character and, if taught honestly, someone students can glean a lot of information from about the multifaceted history of the country.

I disagree. And because this is a free country (thanks Jefferson), we can agree to disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

I think he should be “honored” by continuing to be taught about (rigorously, critically, and honestly— not glossing over the rape and human enslavement) in public schools. Monticello, to the extent it is funded privately, is a more than adequate shrine to the man if one must exist.

You should read some more. Jefferson is a lot more important to this country than Monticello. He was truly foundational.

I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense. Monticello— again to the extent it is privately funded— is, in my opinion, quite adequate. And because he was a foundational historical figure he can certainly continue to make up part of a history curriculum, though that curriculum shouldn’t skip the uncomfortable fact of his slave ownership, rape, and allowing his children to be raised enslaved. He is certainly a fascinating historical character and, if taught honestly, someone students can glean a lot of information from about the multifaceted history of the country.

I disagree. And because this is a free country for all (no thanks to Jefferson), we can agree to disagree.

Fixed that for you

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I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

Agreed. His accomplishments and his contributions to this country are remarkable. We should be doing more to commemorate him, really.

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Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

I think he should be “honored” by continuing to be taught about (rigorously, critically, and honestly— not glossing over the rape and human enslavement) in public schools. Monticello, to the extent it is funded privately, is a more than adequate shrine to the man if one must exist.

You should read some more. Jefferson is a lot more important to this country than Monticello. He was truly foundational.

I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense. Monticello— again to the extent it is privately funded— is, in my opinion, quite adequate. And because he was a foundational historical figure he can certainly continue to make up part of a history curriculum, though that curriculum shouldn’t skip the uncomfortable fact of his slave ownership, rape, and allowing his children to be raised enslaved. He is certainly a fascinating historical character and, if taught honestly, someone students can glean a lot of information from about the multifaceted history of the country.

I disagree. And because this is a free country for all (no thanks to Jefferson), we can agree to disagree.

Fixed that for you

Are you dumb or just trolling? It's really hard to tell, actually.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

And appreciate his white supremacy.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

And appreciate his white supremacy.

If you weren't a troll, you'd know or be able to learn that's nonsense.

Oh well, too bad.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

And appreciate his white supremacy.

If you weren't a troll, you'd know or be able to learn that's nonsense.

Oh well, too bad.

Not trolling. Just summarizing what you are saying.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

Agreed. His accomplishments and his contributions to this country are remarkable. We should be doing more to commemorate him, really.

Why do you think that view isn’t more widely held?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

And appreciate his white supremacy.

If you weren't a troll, you'd know or be able to learn that's nonsense.

Oh well, too bad.

Not trolling. Just summarizing what you are saying.

So are you one of those people who say that wisdom and genius, being remarkable, those are "White" traits"?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

Agreed. His accomplishments and his contributions to this country are remarkable. We should be doing more to commemorate him, really.

Why do you think that view isn’t more widely held?

Because very few people appreciate history. We have ridiculously short, internet-induced attention spans.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

And appreciate his white supremacy.

And 300 years later white supremacy still exists. We haven't evolved that far. No historical figure is perfect, and if the criteria is that the man or woman is perfect we will never acknowledge their contributions society.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense.

I don't quite understand this rationale. Either he was foundational or he wasn't. Who then does get a free pass into perpetuity to receive taxpayer dollars after death? Seems like this would be a first choice for a country to have a monument for. It's not like the US is the only country that has made a monument for their founders.

Oh that’s easy— no one. I believe that as we grow and evolve as a nation, we will be more honest about who we venerate and why. As we know better we we do better. I don’t think there’s anyone— black or white, man or woman— who is *entitled* to a taxpayer shrine. Jefferson is just one of the more obvious examples of why.

DP. Honestly, I think that as we grow and evolve, we can appreciate Jefferson and his wisdom and genius even more. He was incredible, an amazing awesome person. We should name more schools after him

Agreed. His accomplishments and his contributions to this country are remarkable. We should be doing more to commemorate him, really.

Why do you think that view isn’t more widely held?

It is widely held, we just have a bunch of people online who like to repeat themselves over and over again.