FCPS paying for Critical Race Theory curriculum. To be implemented in a year

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Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

The Asians are suing because the feel Black kids who had lower scores are taking spots from Asians kids. They don’t have a problem with white kids with lower spots taking spots. They just don’t want the Black kids in there. It’s unfortunate, but some Asians have a certain amount of vitriol for Blacks similar to the White Supremacists.
I don’t feel Thomas Jefferson deserves to be honored. He was the worst type of sex offender. He raped children and the world would have been a better place without him in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

The Asians are suing because the feel Black kids who had lower scores are taking spots from Asians kids. They don’t have a problem with white kids with lower spots taking spots. They just don’t want the Black kids in there. It’s unfortunate, but some Asians have a certain amount of vitriol for Blacks similar to the White Supremacists.
I don’t feel Thomas Jefferson deserves to be honored. He was the worst type of sex offender. He raped children and the world would have been a better place without him in my opinion.

You are welcome to your opinion. There was no raping of "children" that's not factual.

You are also ignoring the fact that he basically built this country that is founded upon individual freedom and personal liberty. Because of him, you are free to ignore that, to do what you want to do and believe what you want to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

The Asians are suing because the feel Black kids who had lower scores are taking spots from Asians kids. They don’t have a problem with white kids with lower spots taking spots. They just don’t want the Black kids in there. It’s unfortunate, but some Asians have a certain amount of vitriol for Blacks similar to the White Supremacists.
I don’t feel Thomas Jefferson deserves to be honored. He was the worst type of sex offender. He raped children and the world would have been a better place without him in my opinion.

That is completely untrue. The vast number of Asians (like 99%) don't cares about what other race takes the place of spots they want as long as the rigor remains. In fact a lot of people think the new regulations will increase the number of whites. Why do you think Asians care about anything other than just keeping the same level of available seats and rigor at the school? Do you have any basis for this claim? Seems like a very weak argument.

The legal age to marry in the 1700's was around 12 or 14 btw depending on the state, so I don't know how any sex with people under 18 would have been seen at that time. I believe the minimum age is still 12 in some states today although most people don't get married then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

The Asians are suing because the feel Black kids who had lower scores are taking spots from Asians kids. They don’t have a problem with white kids with lower spots taking spots. They just don’t want the Black kids in there. It’s unfortunate, but some Asians have a certain amount of vitriol for Blacks similar to the White Supremacists.
I don’t feel Thomas Jefferson deserves to be honored. He was the worst type of sex offender. He raped children and the world would have been a better place without him in my opinion.

You are welcome to your opinion. There was no raping of "children" that's not factual.

You are also ignoring the fact that he basically built this country that is founded upon individual freedom and personal liberty. Because of him, you are free to ignore that, to do what you want to do and believe what you
want to believe.

How old do you think Sally Hemmings was? She was a child. Maybe FCPS needs CRT because people like you do not know history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

I think he should be “honored” by continuing to be taught about (rigorously, critically, and honestly— not glossing over the rape and human enslavement) in public schools. Monticello, to the extent it is funded privately, is a more than adequate shrine to the man if one must exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

The Asians are suing because the feel Black kids who had lower scores are taking spots from Asians kids. They don’t have a problem with white kids with lower spots taking spots. They just don’t want the Black kids in there. It’s unfortunate, but some Asians have a certain amount of vitriol for Blacks similar to the White Supremacists.
I don’t feel Thomas Jefferson deserves to be honored. He was the worst type of sex offender. He raped children and the world would have been a better place without him in my opinion.

You are welcome to your opinion. There was no raping of "children" that's not factual.

You are also ignoring the fact that he basically built this country that is founded upon individual freedom and personal liberty. Because of him, you are free to ignore that, to do what you want to do and believe what you
want to believe.

How old do you think Sally Hemmings was? She was a child. Maybe FCPS needs CRT because people like you do not know history.

When Sally Hemings went to Paris, she was 14. Jefferson was told she was 15 or 16. Two years later, when she returned to Virginia, she was pregnant. When she was in Paris, she was a servant, a free person or color, and returned to being a slave when she returned to Virginia. We could discuss this if we agreed to stick to facts when known.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

I think he should be “honored” by continuing to be taught about (rigorously, critically, and honestly— not glossing over the rape and human enslavement) in public schools. Monticello, to the extent it is funded privately, is a more than adequate shrine to the man if one must exist.

You should read some more. Jefferson is a lot more important to this country than Monticello. He was truly foundational.

[Anonymous]

Monticello was his home. It's now a museum, but it doesn't really honor him beyond what he originally owned. The Jefferson Memorial is more appropriate as a place of honor.

[Anonymous]

Even Will Smith supported Jefferson in The Pursuit of Happiness. And he's a democrat and black. Oh my.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

The Asians are suing because the feel Black kids who had lower scores are taking spots from Asians kids. They don’t have a problem with white kids with lower spots taking spots. They just don’t want the Black kids in there. It’s unfortunate, but some Asians have a certain amount of vitriol for Blacks similar to the White Supremacists.
I don’t feel Thomas Jefferson deserves to be honored. He was the worst type of sex offender. He raped children and the world would have been a better place without him in my opinion.

You are welcome to your opinion. There was no raping of "children" that's not factual.

You are also ignoring the fact that he basically built this country that is founded upon individual freedom and personal liberty. Because of him, you are free to ignore that, to do what you want to do and believe what you
want to believe.

How old do you think Sally Hemmings was? She was a child. Maybe FCPS needs CRT because people like you do not know history.

If you are such a scholar, do you know what the age of consent was in France or Europe generally in the late 1700s? I'm pretty sure it was ridiculously young, like 10 or 12 or something like that. Not defending sex with a child, but there does need to be historical context.

[Anonymous]

Look, this is for EVERYONE!!! This thread could go on for another 40 pages and there would be no understanding of the views from each side. As long as you continue to judge one another nothing will change. That's a fact. So, can we please end this conversation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, this is for EVERYONE!!! This thread could go on for another 40 pages and there would be no understanding of the views from each side. As long as you continue to judge one another nothing will change. That's a fact. So, can we please end this conversation?

When people are advocating for the removal of the Jefferson Monument, I feel like another 40 pages is worthwhile. The level of history some people know is just mind boggling. FCPS isn't going to educate them so might as well be from DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Also what This is for everyone? What is This? Is there something you want to discuss? Just write it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

The Asians in this area just sued FCPS and the name of the school wasn't on the suit as an area of contention. Again, if you think he's also great in some ways, how do you believe he should be honored.

I think he should be “honored” by continuing to be taught about (rigorously, critically, and honestly— not glossing over the rape and human enslavement) in public schools. Monticello, to the extent it is funded privately, is a more than adequate shrine to the man if one must exist.

You should read some more. Jefferson is a lot more important to this country than Monticello. He was truly foundational.

I don’t dispute that he was foundational. However, being foundational doesn’t come with a free pass into perpetuity to be enshrined at taxpayers expense. Monticello— again to the extent it is privately funded— is, in my opinion, quite adequate. And because he was a foundational historical figure he can certainly continue to make up part of a history curriculum, though that curriculum shouldn’t skip the uncomfortable fact of his slave ownership, rape, and allowing his children to be raised enslaved. He is certainly a fascinating historical character and, if taught honestly, someone students can glean a lot of information from about the multifaceted history of the country.