demoralized in MCPS

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Love the comments by the gatekeeper teacher. I bet her classroom is the same way: “I can tell that you were not a molasses smuggler in the late 1700s. Why do you keep chiming in on the Sugar Act?” “Did you fight in the Battle of the Bulge? No! And your thoughts on it are unwelcome.”


incorrect analogy

I don't pretend to know your job; stop pretending to know mine.

We had another teacher - 15 years in - call it quits this VERY SHORT week. Because the county is so large, the numbers don't matter to the general public. But try to find a decent sub to take over a full load of classes with 30+ kids in each one. I'm sure you wouldn't be too pleased if your buttercup were in that situation.

So yes, I'll gatekeep 1) b/c I know my job and 2) b/c you don't.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Love the comments by the gatekeeper teacher. I bet her classroom is the same way: “I can tell that you were not a molasses smuggler in the late 1700s. Why do you keep chiming in on the Sugar Act?” “Did you fight in the Battle of the Bulge? No! And your thoughts on it are unwelcome.”


incorrect analogy

I don't pretend to know your job; stop pretending to know mine.

We had another teacher - 15 years in - call it quits this VERY SHORT week. Because the county is so large, the numbers don't matter to the general public. But try to find a decent sub to take over a full load of classes with 30+ kids in each one. I'm sure you wouldn't be too pleased if your buttercup were in that situation.

So yes, I'll gatekeep 1) b/c I know my job and 2) b/c you don't.




I’m also a teacher —in the DCC, no less— and think you are utterly blind to the fact that many teachers in MCPS comment without identifying ourselves as such. But beyond that, you want to insist that anyone who disagrees with you can’t be a teacher.
Anonymous
Here's an analogy it's like vampires guarding the blood bank. In all reality the only gate keeper should be a teachers own credentials and liscense from the state of Maryland. Get a abusive principals and micromanagers out of the game and let teachers teach with safety, security and without fear of retaliation or even fear of failure. How can teachers teach properly if they constantly fear reviews that are baseless and have more to do with office politics than productivity. How can teachers grow if they can't practice without fear of principals and bullies playing gotcha on them. They treat education like fear is healthy motivation for teachers. News flash, fear is not healthy for anyone's morale, confidence, or growth. Cheers.
Anonymous
In my experience as a teacher in MCPS, teachers often are worse to one another than principals are to teachers. Yes, some principals are abusive or bullies, but most of the ones I've had have been overwhelmed themselves. Their biggest flaw isn't that they micromanage us or punish us, it's that they don't have time to visit our classrooms, work on fixing the interpersonal stuff among staff or give us growth opportunities and mentoring. It's like we're invisible unless we mega screw up.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Here's an analogy it's like vampires guarding the blood bank. In all reality the only gate keeper should be a teachers own credentials and liscense from the state of Maryland. Get a abusive principals and micromanagers out of the game and let teachers teach with safety, security and without fear of retaliation or even fear of failure. How can teachers teach properly if they constantly fear reviews that are baseless and have more to do with office politics than productivity. How can teachers grow if they can't practice without fear of principals and bullies playing gotcha on them. They treat education like fear is healthy motivation for teachers. News flash, fear is not healthy for anyone's morale, confidence, or growth. Cheers.


As a teacher and a parent, I disagree. I see worksheets full of errors that my coworkers leave in the copy room. Not typos, but factual and procedural errors. I also have had to teach or reteaching my children things that their teachers screwed up. We should absolutely have input beyond recertifications every 5 years. I’m a career changer and know that incompetence is reported by peers in other fields. I will always go to a coworker first, but if they persist in doing slipshod work, it reflects badly on all of us. Also, if your class is so out of control every day that my students can’t concentrate, I have to say something to someone who can help support you. And you should welcome that support, because at least two classrooms are being impacted. And you want the kids to learn, don’t you. Surely, you aren’t in this for the paycheck?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's an analogy it's like vampires guarding the blood bank. In all reality the only gate keeper should be a teachers own credentials and liscense from the state of Maryland. Get a abusive principals and micromanagers out of the game and let teachers teach with safety, security and without fear of retaliation or even fear of failure. How can teachers teach properly if they constantly fear reviews that are baseless and have more to do with office politics than productivity. How can teachers grow if they can't practice without fear of principals and bullies playing gotcha on them. They treat education like fear is healthy motivation for teachers. News flash, fear is not healthy for anyone's morale, confidence, or growth. Cheers.


As a teacher and a parent, I disagree. I see worksheets full of errors that my coworkers leave in the copy room. Not typos, but factual and procedural errors. I also have had to teach or reteaching my children things that their teachers screwed up. We should absolutely have input beyond recertifications every 5 years. I’m a career changer and know that incompetence is reported by peers in other fields. I will always go to a coworker first, but if they persist in doing slipshod work, it reflects badly on all of us. Also, if your class is so out of control every day that my students can’t concentrate, I have to say something to someone who can help support you. And you should welcome that support, because at least two classrooms are being impacted. And you want the kids to learn, don’t you. Surely, you aren’t in this for the paycheck?


Who are you? the Mother Teresa of education?

Get off your high horse and see the job for what it is. There's NO time to sit back and reflect. There's hardly any time to plan for that matter. grading? ha! What a joke! Try providing VALUABLE feedback on papers written by 30+ kids in each class!

And you're complaining about worksheets? Do you sit in the copy room waiting for someone to leave behind a sheet that's riddled with errors? If so you CLEARLY have too much time on your hands. And then you rat out colleagues? That's the BEST! unbelievable

You are part of the problem. Your attitude makes me ill. I don't rat out colleagues or look for ways to discourage or shame them. I do my best to support them b/c we're all in the same boat.

- also a teacher (over 20 years in) and a career changer

Anonymous
The union mafia got sumthin right. Wowzers
Anonymous
There are some sick fascist bastards on here that don't appreciate the gravity and the debacle of teachers. Can we assume it's the scum of central trying to fight and uphill battle. I feel sorry that everyone knows the reputation that carelessness creates.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The union mafia got sumthin right. Wowzers


I'm all for unions in the private sector, but public employee unions are problematic because of the cozy relationship between them and local politicians.

Politicians support the unions and they get their votes. Supporting union demands often results in simply raising taxes.

However, the really odd thing I can't grasp is how at least the moco teachers union seems to cozy up to the administration and doesn't seem to have any interest in supporting individual teachers.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's an analogy it's like vampires guarding the blood bank. In all reality the only gate keeper should be a teachers own credentials and liscense from the state of Maryland. Get a abusive principals and micromanagers out of the game and let teachers teach with safety, security and without fear of retaliation or even fear of failure. How can teachers teach properly if they constantly fear reviews that are baseless and have more to do with office politics than productivity. How can teachers grow if they can't practice without fear of principals and bullies playing gotcha on them. They treat education like fear is healthy motivation for teachers. News flash, fear is not healthy for anyone's morale, confidence, or growth. Cheers.


As a teacher and a parent, I disagree. I see worksheets full of errors that my coworkers leave in the copy room. Not typos, but factual and procedural errors. I also have had to teach or reteaching my children things that their teachers screwed up. We should absolutely have input beyond recertifications every 5 years. I’m a career changer and know that incompetence is reported by peers in other fields. I will always go to a coworker first, but if they persist in doing slipshod work, it reflects badly on all of us. Also, if your class is so out of control every day that my students can’t concentrate, I have to say something to someone who can help support you. And you should welcome that support, because at least two classrooms are being impacted. And you want the kids to learn, don’t you. Surely, you aren’t in this for the paycheck?


Who are you? the Mother Teresa of education?

Get off your high horse and see the job for what it is. There's NO time to sit back and reflect. There's hardly any time to plan for that matter. grading? ha! What a joke! Try providing VALUABLE feedback on papers written by 30+ kids in each class!

And you're complaining about worksheets? Do you sit in the copy room waiting for someone to leave behind a sheet that's riddled with errors? If so you CLEARLY have too much time on your hands. And then you rat out colleagues? That's the BEST! unbelievable

You are part of the problem. Your attitude makes me ill. I don't rat out colleagues or look for ways to discourage or shame them. I do my best to support them b/c we're all in the same boat.

- also a teacher (over 20 years in) and a career changer


Not Mother Theresa. Just competent.
I graded 163 essays over winter break with individualized feedback. It’s my job. If I’m noble to do my job, I should quit.
Standing in line for the one copier or one school phone on our floor, I do read what’s left behind. Out of boredom from waiting, but also out of curiosity about what students are learning in other classes. And sometimes what I see is concerning enough that the ethical thing to do is to say something to the creator. Most are grateful because they don’t want to give students erroneous material and improve. If they can’t or won’t get it together, their department head should know so they can get more intensive assistance. If that’s viewed as snitching, so be it. How difficult it is to create materials with accurate facts? It is laziness and it is unfair to students and taxpayers.
You seem like one of those teachers who regards her classroom as a little fiefdom where she is the law and no one is supposed to be able to evaluate her work. But our society bears the brunt of poorly educated children.
You would want a medical professional to point out a careless error to a colleague and report repeats. Professionials have self-policed quality and driven out the incompetent and dishonest since medieval guilds. When you protect the willfully incompetent, you bring into question the integrity of the teaching cadre as a whole.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's an analogy it's like vampires guarding the blood bank. In all reality the only gate keeper should be a teachers own credentials and liscense from the state of Maryland. Get a abusive principals and micromanagers out of the game and let teachers teach with safety, security and without fear of retaliation or even fear of failure. How can teachers teach properly if they constantly fear reviews that are baseless and have more to do with office politics than productivity. How can teachers grow if they can't practice without fear of principals and bullies playing gotcha on them. They treat education like fear is healthy motivation for teachers. News flash, fear is not healthy for anyone's morale, confidence, or growth. Cheers.


As a teacher and a parent, I disagree. I see worksheets full of errors that my coworkers leave in the copy room. Not typos, but factual and procedural errors. I also have had to teach or reteaching my children things that their teachers screwed up. We should absolutely have input beyond recertifications every 5 years. I’m a career changer and know that incompetence is reported by peers in other fields. I will always go to a coworker first, but if they persist in doing slipshod work, it reflects badly on all of us. Also, if your class is so out of control every day that my students can’t concentrate, I have to say something to someone who can help support you. And you should welcome that support, because at least two classrooms are being impacted. And you want the kids to learn, don’t you. Surely, you aren’t in this for the paycheck?


Who are you? the Mother Teresa of education?

Get off your high horse and see the job for what it is. There's NO time to sit back and reflect. There's hardly any time to plan for that matter. grading? ha! What a joke! Try providing VALUABLE feedback on papers written by 30+ kids in each class!

And you're complaining about worksheets? Do you sit in the copy room waiting for someone to leave behind a sheet that's riddled with errors? If so you CLEARLY have too much time on your hands. And then you rat out colleagues? That's the BEST! unbelievable

You are part of the problem. Your attitude makes me ill. I don't rat out colleagues or look for ways to discourage or shame them. I do my best to support them b/c we're all in the same boat.

- also a teacher (over 20 years in) and a career changer


Not Mother Theresa. Just competent.
I graded 163 essays over winter break with individualized feedback. It’s my job. If I’m noble to do my job, I should quit.
Standing in line for the one copier or one school phone on our floor, I do read what’s left behind. Out of boredom from waiting, but also out of curiosity about what students are learning in other classes. And sometimes what I see is concerning enough that the ethical thing to do is to say something to the creator. Most are grateful because they don’t want to give students erroneous material and improve. If they can’t or won’t get it together, their department head should know so they can get more intensive assistance. If that’s viewed as snitching, so be it. How difficult it is to create materials with accurate facts? It is laziness and it is unfair to students and taxpayers.
You seem like one of those teachers who regards her classroom as a little fiefdom where she is the law and no one is supposed to be able to evaluate her work. But our society bears the brunt of poorly educated children.
You would want a medical professional to point out a careless error to a colleague and report repeats. Professionials have self-policed quality and driven out the incompetent and dishonest since medieval guilds. When you protect the willfully incompetent, you bring into question the integrity of the teaching cadre as a whole.


Kids are lucky to have a teacher like you.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's an analogy it's like vampires guarding the blood bank. In all reality the only gate keeper should be a teachers own credentials and liscense from the state of Maryland. Get a abusive principals and micromanagers out of the game and let teachers teach with safety, security and without fear of retaliation or even fear of failure. How can teachers teach properly if they constantly fear reviews that are baseless and have more to do with office politics than productivity. How can teachers grow if they can't practice without fear of principals and bullies playing gotcha on them. They treat education like fear is healthy motivation for teachers. News flash, fear is not healthy for anyone's morale, confidence, or growth. Cheers.


As a teacher and a parent, I disagree. I see worksheets full of errors that my coworkers leave in the copy room. Not typos, but factual and procedural errors. I also have had to teach or reteaching my children things that their teachers screwed up. We should absolutely have input beyond recertifications every 5 years. I’m a career changer and know that incompetence is reported by peers in other fields. I will always go to a coworker first, but if they persist in doing slipshod work, it reflects badly on all of us. Also, if your class is so out of control every day that my students can’t concentrate, I have to say something to someone who can help support you. And you should welcome that support, because at least two classrooms are being impacted. And you want the kids to learn, don’t you. Surely, you aren’t in this for the paycheck?


Who are you? the Mother Teresa of education?

Get off your high horse and see the job for what it is. There's NO time to sit back and reflect. There's hardly any time to plan for that matter. grading? ha! What a joke! Try providing VALUABLE feedback on papers written by 30+ kids in each class!

And you're complaining about worksheets? Do you sit in the copy room waiting for someone to leave behind a sheet that's riddled with errors? If so you CLEARLY have too much time on your hands. And then you rat out colleagues? That's the BEST! unbelievable

You are part of the problem. Your attitude makes me ill. I don't rat out colleagues or look for ways to discourage or shame them. I do my best to support them b/c we're all in the same boat.

- also a teacher (over 20 years in) and a career changer


Not Mother Theresa. Just competent.
I graded 163 essays over winter break with individualized feedback. It’s my job. If I’m noble to do my job, I should quit.
Standing in line for the one copier or one school phone on our floor, I do read what’s left behind. Out of boredom from waiting, but also out of curiosity about what students are learning in other classes. And sometimes what I see is concerning enough that the ethical thing to do is to say something to the creator. Most are grateful because they don’t want to give students erroneous material and improve. If they can’t or won’t get it together, their department head should know so they can get more intensive assistance. If that’s viewed as snitching, so be it. How difficult it is to create materials with accurate facts? It is laziness and it is unfair to students and taxpayers.
You seem like one of those teachers who regards her classroom as a little fiefdom where she is the law and no one is supposed to be able to evaluate her work. But our society bears the brunt of poorly educated children.
You would want a medical professional to point out a careless error to a colleague and report repeats. Professionials have self-policed quality and driven out the incompetent and dishonest since medieval guilds. When you protect the willfully incompetent, you bring into question the integrity of the teaching cadre as a whole.


Kids are lucky to have a teacher like you.


Another educator who agrees with this one. If she's approaching teachers respectfully, and if she's only going above them when they're unresponsive -- and in the spirit of getting them support -- then I think she's got it right. I left MCPS because I was working hard and my department chair told me this was making others in my department uncomfortable. She ordered me to leave the building the minute the last bell rang, but I continued to put in overtime. That's when she called me impossible to control and told me to look for a new job that could handle someone as "intense" as me. I can laugh about it now because it's ridiculous and because my career weathered that storm, but at the time I cried every day. It was abusive and absurd. My new department chair (in a neighboring district) thanks me all the time for my dedication to kids. I'd never go back to an environment where supervisors can get away with humiliating people for holding themselves to a high standard.
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Anonymous wrote:Here's an analogy it's like vampires guarding the blood bank. In all reality the only gate keeper should be a teachers own credentials and liscense from the state of Maryland. Get a abusive principals and micromanagers out of the game and let teachers teach with safety, security and without fear of retaliation or even fear of failure. How can teachers teach properly if they constantly fear reviews that are baseless and have more to do with office politics than productivity. How can teachers grow if they can't practice without fear of principals and bullies playing gotcha on them. They treat education like fear is healthy motivation for teachers. News flash, fear is not healthy for anyone's morale, confidence, or growth. Cheers.


As a teacher and a parent, I disagree. I see worksheets full of errors that my coworkers leave in the copy room. Not typos, but factual and procedural errors. I also have had to teach or reteaching my children things that their teachers screwed up. We should absolutely have input beyond recertifications every 5 years. I’m a career changer and know that incompetence is reported by peers in other fields. I will always go to a coworker first, but if they persist in doing slipshod work, it reflects badly on all of us. Also, if your class is so out of control every day that my students can’t concentrate, I have to say something to someone who can help support you. And you should welcome that support, because at least two classrooms are being impacted. And you want the kids to learn, don’t you. Surely, you aren’t in this for the paycheck?


Who are you? the Mother Teresa of education?

Get off your high horse and see the job for what it is. There's NO time to sit back and reflect. There's hardly any time to plan for that matter. grading? ha! What a joke! Try providing VALUABLE feedback on papers written by 30+ kids in each class!

And you're complaining about worksheets? Do you sit in the copy room waiting for someone to leave behind a sheet that's riddled with errors? If so you CLEARLY have too much time on your hands. And then you rat out colleagues? That's the BEST! unbelievable

You are part of the problem. Your attitude makes me ill. I don't rat out colleagues or look for ways to discourage or shame them. I do my best to support them b/c we're all in the same boat.

- also a teacher (over 20 years in) and a career changer


Not Mother Theresa. Just competent.
I graded 163 essays over winter break with individualized feedback. It’s my job. If I’m noble to do my job, I should quit.
Standing in line for the one copier or one school phone on our floor, I do read what’s left behind. Out of boredom from waiting, but also out of curiosity about what students are learning in other classes. And sometimes what I see is concerning enough that the ethical thing to do is to say something to the creator. Most are grateful because they don’t want to give students erroneous material and improve. If they can’t or won’t get it together, their department head should know so they can get more intensive assistance. If that’s viewed as snitching, so be it. How difficult it is to create materials with accurate facts? It is laziness and it is unfair to students and taxpayers.
You seem like one of those teachers who regards her classroom as a little fiefdom where she is the law and no one is supposed to be able to evaluate her work. But our society bears the brunt of poorly educated children.
You would want a medical professional to point out a careless error to a colleague and report repeats. Professionials have self-policed quality and driven out the incompetent and dishonest since medieval guilds. When you protect the willfully incompetent, you bring into question the integrity of the teaching cadre as a whole.


Kids are lucky to have a teacher like you.


Another educator who agrees with this one. If she's approaching teachers respectfully, and if she's only going above them when they're unresponsive -- and in the spirit of getting them support -- then I think she's got it right. I left MCPS because I was working hard and my department chair told me this was making others in my department uncomfortable. She ordered me to leave the building the minute the last bell rang, but I continued to put in overtime. That's when she called me impossible to control and told me to look for a new job that could handle someone as "intense" as me. I can laugh about it now because it's ridiculous and because my career weathered that storm, but at the time I cried every day. It was abusive and absurd. My new department chair (in a neighboring district) thanks me all the time for my dedication to kids. I'd never go back to an environment where supervisors can get away with humiliating people for holding themselves to a high standard.


another Mother Teresa

This is divisive, as clearly you wish to be a superstar. This is NOT the way to improve situations for ALL teachers, as the system at the CORE is dysfunctional.

You all don't get it.

But I'm not surprised.
Anonymous
09:47, why don’t you do a poll of DCUM parents and ask how many want a teacher whose priority is protecting her incompetent (demoralized) coworkers over educating children?
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