Cop Suspended After Video Emerges Of Brutal Arrests At Teen Pool Party (In McKinney Texas)

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so naive when it comes to media coverage.
Law enforcement officers have thousands of interactions with the public EVERY DAY.
The vast majority end with no incident.
These don’t get any press coverage because it doesn’t make for good viewership/readership.
The few incidents cited here are not the norm.
[/b]Yes, when police officers act badly, they should be held accountable.
But, once again, there are people who are condemning most law enforcement officers for actions of a VERY SMALL MINORITY.
As a result, we have many youth and young adults who are uncooperative and outright disrespectful and this behavior is excused and in some cases, applauded by way too many people.

Totally agree with this. The girl did not deserve the brutality from the police officer. He completely overreacted and was in the wrong in this case, but I also don't know why people think it's okay to mouth-off to authority, particularly the police. The cop was obviously highly-stressed and ill-prepared to handle the situation. However, people of every color need to sit down and be quiet when an officer tells you to do something. [b]Or walk away like he told her to do. Period. He's got a gun. It's a highly stressful situation. It could escalate into something much more tragic quickly.

Oh.my.god.

SHE WAS WALKING AWAY LIKE HE TOLD HER TO DO.

When I say walk away, I mean turn yourself around with your mouth shut and completely leave the area where the cop is. I don't mean repeatedly turn back and mouth-off to the officer.
Again I didn't say she deserved the brutality. But I also think for everyone's safety it's imperative to do as your told in a high-stress situation like that.

Really? Because when I say "walk away" what I mean is walk away from the area. "Keep your mouth shut" is another instruction and "completely leave the area" is only possible if the cop who instructed you to "get your ass out of here" doesn't then physically drag you back to the area you were trying to leave.

Oh boy. I'm pretty sure if an officer tells you to get your ass out of here, it goes without saying that you should keep your mouth shut and leave as soon as possible. I understand he did drag her back after she ran her mouth. Totally inexcusable, BUT, we also have to respect authority and not mouth-off, particularly in a high-stress situation like this.

Every time you say "totally inexcusable, BUT..." the BUT renders the first two words obsolete. Your "BUT" implies that, in fact, the actions were excusable because the teenager should have known better than to respond the way she did.

When I was a teenager, some friends and I were in a park. We weren't doing anything wrong. We were just hanging out after school. Cop on patrol stopped, asked us what we were doing. We responded "hanging out" and he suggested that we "move along." Our actual response was "Why? It's a public park and we're not doing anything wrong."

No one was thrown to the ground and no one pulled a gun. That said, we were all white.

How are old you? No snark, just curiosity. I was born early 70s and was taught to respect authority and not question it, so even if I hadn't been doing anything wrong I wouldn't have questioned the instruction. I generally thought the kids of my generation felt the same way but I am willing to admit I could be totally wrong.

This is an excellent point. I grew up in the 80s and would never dream of mouthing off to a cop or teacher or coach or anyone in a position of authority, even if they were in the wrong.

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If the Chief threw a decent cop under the bus it would damage his relationship with his corps of officers.

Let's assume the Chief is not an idiot and has good reasons to want Casebolt off the force.

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Are any of you all the actual parents of teens? Do you remember being a teen?

In many instances, it's all about defending yourself. Especially, if you feel you are being wrongly accused/singled out/etc. It's not disrespect, it's trying to state your case. As you grow into adulthood, you learn the time and the place to do this but teens are emotional and generally want to immediately defend their character.

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Anonymous wrote:Casebolt had just come from a scene where a man had blown his brains out in front of his family.

I'm going to give him a pass on being a bit emotional that day.

Y'all can behave as you will. Carry on.

Too bad your pass is worthless cause it won't get him his job back.
Or better yet, thank goodness your pass is worthless lol.

Actually he chose to quit. He could get his job back, he didn't do anything illegal. Also, he will probably sue for defamation of character, since the chief tried and convicted him without an investigation.

I am guessing they will settle out of court.

Highly doubtful he could get past a motion for summary judgment. No settlement for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Are any of you all the actual parents of teens? Do you remember being a teen?

In many instances, it's all about defending yourself. Especially, if you feel you are being wrongly accused/singled out/etc. It's not disrespect, it's trying to state your case. As you grow into adulthood, you learn the time and the place to do this but teens are emotional and generally want to immediately defend their character.

The trophy generation at its worst.

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Anonymous wrote:Casebolt had just come from a scene where a man had blown his brains out in front of his family.

I'm going to give him a pass on being a bit emotional that day.

Y'all can behave as you will. Carry on.

Imagine if the chief had this information when he made his first statements. Alas, he caved to media pressure.

What makes you think the chief didn't?

Because the chief had a press conference where he said the investigation is being transferred to Internal Affairs. Even if he had this 1 piece of information, he does not have all of the information. I doubt the chief had the information, he is a politician, not a LEO.

That's not a very convincing answer.

Do you have information that the chief was informed of the 2 suicide calls that the officer handled. Did I miss that news report.

I am also not convinced.

You are asking me to support an assertion that I did not make. The person who makes claims about the Chief's knowledge should be the one to support their assertions.

On 6/11 you stated that the police chief said he actions are "indefensible", and you imagined there was no reason for his actions. Knowing what you know now, do you think being on the scene with brains spattered to a wall the same day is a reason for his actions? I can't imagine a boss that is so insensitive to an employee that he knew he spent hours with family of a dead man who had brains spattered on the wall and then went on to defame his character.

Maybe the chief is that stupid, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sorry, but LEO encounter dead people as part of the job. If he was overwhelmed, he should have allowed others officers to take the call and reported to the police clinic.

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Anonymous wrote:Are any of you all the actual parents of teens? Do you remember being a teen?

In many instances, it's all about defending yourself. Especially, if you feel you are being wrongly accused/singled out/etc. It's not disrespect, it's trying to state your case. As you grow into adulthood, you learn the time and the place to do this but teens are emotional and generally want to immediately defend their character.

The trophy generation at its worst.

+1
Young people are a mess today. They are way more disrespectful than just 10 or 15 years ago.

However, an officer does not have license to treat any individual who is clearly not a threat that way. There is nothing to be gained from 'mouthing off' to a LEO, but it is not a threat to anyone's safety.

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Casebolt had just come from a scene where a man had blown his brains out in front of his family.

I'm going to give him a pass on being a bit emotional that day.

Y'all can behave as you will. Carry on.

Imagine if the chief had this information when he made his first statements. Alas, he caved to media pressure.

What makes you think the chief didn't?

Because the chief had a press conference where he said the investigation is being transferred to Internal Affairs. Even if he had this 1 piece of information, he does not have all of the information. I doubt the chief had the information, he is a politician, not a LEO.

That's not a very convincing answer.

Do you have information that the chief was informed of the 2 suicide calls that the officer handled. Did I miss that news report.

I am also not convinced.

You are asking me to support an assertion that I did not make. The person who makes claims about the Chief's knowledge should be the one to support their assertions.

On 6/11 you stated that the police chief said he actions are "indefensible", and you imagined there was no reason for his actions. Knowing what you know now, do you think being on the scene with brains spattered to a wall the same day is a reason for his actions? I can't imagine a boss that is so insensitive to an employee that he knew he spent hours with family of a dead man who had brains spattered on the wall and then went on to defame his character.

Maybe the chief is that stupid, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sorry, but LEO encounter dead people as part of the job. If he was overwhelmed, he should have allowed others officers to take the call and reported to the police clinic.

Again, not true. Gosh such ignorance about cops.

Most beat cops rarely have call like this, homicide cops are different, but beat cops do not normally take calks like this. In good police forces, they have counseling after very disturbing calls. For example, when the father in upper MoCo hanged his children the beat police that responded to that call were taken off calls for the night and counseling spoke with them the next day. It is the responsibility of his supervisor to make that call.

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Anyone seen what one defender of the cop in question--who also happens to be a schoolteacher in TX--wrote on her FB page?

“I’m going to just go ahead and say it … the blacks are the ones causing the problems and this ‘racial tension.’ I guess that’s what happens when you flunk out of school and have no education. I’m sure their parents are just as guilty for not knowing what their kids were doing; or knew it and didn’t care. I’m almost to the point of wanting them all segregated on one side of town so they can hurt each other and leave the innocent people alone,” Fitzgibbons wrote in the since-deleted post.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/11/im_almost_to_the_point_of_wanting_them_all_segregated_texas_teacher_pens_breathtakingly_racist_mckinney_post/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are any of you all the actual parents of teens? Do you remember being a teen?

In many instances, it's all about defending yourself. Especially, if you feel you are being wrongly accused/singled out/etc. It's not disrespect, it's trying to state your case. As you grow into adulthood, you learn the time and the place to do this but teens are emotional and generally want to immediately defend their character.

The trophy generation at its worst.

+1
Young people are a mess today. They are way more disrespectful than just 10 or 15 years ago.

However, an officer does not have license to treat any individual who is clearly not a threat that way. There is nothing to be gained from 'mouthing off' to a LEO, but it is not a threat to anyone's safety.

I disagree. Teens have always been disrespectful. As the adult, you can control the tempo when you're interacting with them. Cursing and running around like a jackass doesn't not garner you much respect. You look like a damn clown and, as such, will not be taken seriously. He did it to himself.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone seen what one defender of the cop in question--who also happens to be a schoolteacher in TX--wrote on her FB page?

“I’m going to just go ahead and say it … the blacks are the ones causing the problems and this ‘racial tension.’ I guess that’s what happens when you flunk out of school and have no education. I’m sure their parents are just as guilty for not knowing what their kids were doing; or knew it and didn’t care. I’m almost to the point of wanting them all segregated on one side of town so they can hurt each other and leave the innocent people alone,” Fitzgibbons wrote in the since-deleted post.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/11/im_almost_to_the_point_of_wanting_them_all_segregated_texas_teacher_pens_breathtakingly_racist_mckinney_post/

Disgusting and outrageous. I hope she is fired. As suspected, the cowardly racist deleted her post. I'd respect her more if she left it up and owned it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Casebolt had just come from a scene where a man had blown his brains out in front of his family.

I'm going to give him a pass on being a bit emotional that day.

Y'all can behave as you will. Carry on.

Imagine if the chief had this information when he made his first statements. Alas, he caved to media pressure.

What makes you think the chief didn't?

Because the chief had a press conference where he said the investigation is being transferred to Internal Affairs. Even if he had this 1 piece of information, he does not have all of the information. I doubt the chief had the information, he is a politician, not a LEO.

That's not a very convincing answer.

Do you have information that the chief was informed of the 2 suicide calls that the officer handled. Did I miss that news report.

I am also not convinced.

You are asking me to support an assertion that I did not make. The person who makes claims about the Chief's knowledge should be the one to support their assertions.

On 6/11 you stated that the police chief said he actions are "indefensible", and you imagined there was no reason for his actions. Knowing what you know now, do you think being on the scene with brains spattered to a wall the same day is a reason for his actions? I can't imagine a boss that is so insensitive to an employee that he knew he spent hours with family of a dead man who had brains spattered on the wall and then went on to defame his character.

Maybe the chief is that stupid, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sorry, but LEO encounter dead people as part of the job. If he was overwhelmed, he should have allowed others officers to take the call and reported to the police clinic.

Again, not true. Gosh such ignorance about cops.

Most beat cops rarely have call like this, homicide cops are different, but beat cops do not normally take calks like this. In good police forces, they have counseling after very disturbing calls. For example, when the father in upper MoCo hanged his children the beat police that responded to that call were taken off calls for the night and counseling spoke with them the next day. It is the responsibility of his supervisor to make that call.

Patrol, beat cops to you, are the first to arrive on the scene. They are there before detectives, swat, csi, medical examiners, I'd, etc. they are the first to arrive in almost every, if not every situation. They call the others in after assessing the situation. If there is an attic shooter on k street tomorrow, you patrol officer is there well ahead of swat. If there is a robbery in process followed by a homicide, the patrol officer is responding and patrol passes it off to the homicide detectives upon their subsequent arrival. Patrol officers, also known to you as beat cops, make up the vast majority of police officers in every department. They are the backbone of police. Thank you very much n

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are any of you all the actual parents of teens? Do you remember being a teen?

In many instances, it's all about defending yourself. Especially, if you feel you are being wrongly accused/singled out/etc. It's not disrespect, it's trying to state your case. As you grow into adulthood, you learn the time and the place to do this but teens are emotional and generally want to immediately defend their character.

The trophy generation at its worst.

Indeed. So what's now happened is those kids are all pumped up because they got a cop fired. And they will feel pretty invincible. Would love to see where those same kids are in a year...two years....

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Anonymous wrote:If the Chief threw a decent cop under the bus it would damage his relationship with his corps of officers.

Let's assume the Chief is not an idiot and has good reasons to want Casebolt off the force.

In a normal climate yes. This is not a normal climate. I give it two weeks at most before something like this is replicated in another state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Casebolt had just come from a scene where a man had blown his brains out in front of his family.

I'm going to give him a pass on being a bit emotional that day.

Y'all can behave as you will. Carry on.

Imagine if the chief had this information when he made his first statements. Alas, he caved to media pressure.

What makes you think the chief didn't?

Because the chief had a press conference where he said the investigation is being transferred to Internal Affairs. Even if he had this 1 piece of information, he does not have all of the information. I doubt the chief had the information, he is a politician, not a LEO.

That's not a very convincing answer.

Do you have information that the chief was informed of the 2 suicide calls that the officer handled. Did I miss that news report.

I am also not convinced.

You are asking me to support an assertion that I did not make. The person who makes claims about the Chief's knowledge should be the one to support their assertions.

On 6/11 you stated that the police chief said he actions are "indefensible", and you imagined there was no reason for his actions. Knowing what you know now, do you think being on the scene with brains spattered to a wall the same day is a reason for his actions? I can't imagine a boss that is so insensitive to an employee that he knew he spent hours with family of a dead man who had brains spattered on the wall and then went on to defame his character.

Maybe the chief is that stupid, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sorry, but LEO encounter dead people as part of the job. If he was overwhelmed, he should have allowed others officers to take the call and reported to the police clinic.

Again, not true. Gosh such ignorance about cops.

Most beat cops rarely have call like this, homicide cops are different, but beat cops do not normally take calks like this. In good police forces, they have counseling after very disturbing calls. For example, when the father in upper MoCo hanged his children the beat police that responded to that call were taken off calls for the night and counseling spoke with them the next day. It is the responsibility of his supervisor to make that call.

Patrol, beat cops to you, are the first to arrive on the scene. They are there before detectives, swat, csi, medical examiners, I'd, etc. they are the first to arrive in almost every, if not every situation. They call the others in after assessing the situation. If there is an attic shooter on k street tomorrow, you patrol officer is there well ahead of swat. If there is a robbery in process followed by a homicide, the patrol officer is responding and patrol passes it off to the homicide detectives upon their subsequent arrival. Patrol officers, also known to you as beat cops, make up the vast majority of police officers in every department. They are the backbone of police. Thank you very much n

When somebody is dead they are to immediately secure the area and get the hell out, so they don't contaminate the scene. But still there are how many deaths and how many police? It is rare for a beat cop to deal with this, maybe once every 5 years, tops. Homicide cops deal with it daily, beat cops rarely. Thank you very much.