Here’s Why Asian Americans Shifted Right by 9 points

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

Funny how you only care about “fairness” for Asian students.

What do you think asians are asking for that others are not getting?

For colleges to focus solely on certain metrics that give most Asian students an unfair advantage.

Which metrics are those?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0IRHiaacAA3cu-?format=jpg

Yes, those.

Not every student has access to high-quality activities, academic opportunities, supportive families, etc. That's why solely looking at those metrics, without context, is unfair.

That chart is comparing asians to whites. What unfair advantage do asians have over whites?

+1 there are more white legacies than Asian legacies.

Asian immigrants worked hard to make sure their kids got into good schools. Now, progressives are saying they should be punished for working so hard because of so called "unearned" privilege. Some people seem to be ignorant regarding this country's racist past against Asians that prevented them from being educated in the same schools as white people, owning property, and even becoming US citizens.

That chart does not include legacies.

It would be even more glaringly obvious discrimination against Asians if it did include legacies.

Regardless, the fact that there are more white legacies than Asian legacies means whites have more unearned privileges than Asians have ever had. Asian Americans have had to fight discrimination for 100 years, starting with the Chinese Exclusion Act decades after the end of the civil war, until 1965 with immigration reform, and again in 1990.

Ironically, banning legacy admission will make diversity worse at many schools now that affirmative action has been banned. The minority kids whose parents benefited from affirmative action will not get the same admission preferences that previous generations had. The main benefit of attending an elite college is the peer network. If the concentration of well connected and extremely wealthy students is diluted the value of degrees from elite schools will decline significantly. The rich will use different methods (private clubs, ect.) to confer advantages to their children that are less accessible to the average people. Forcing colleges to ban legacy and donor admission is a very misguided attempt to promote “fairness” that will have negative effects. It’s quite ironic and irritating that my minority children won’t get the benefit of legacy admission preference because woke democrats decided it’s unfair that some white people benefit from it as well.

AM I the only one thinking this guy got into a good school on AA and knows his kids would never get in without legacy and AA?

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

Indian American here. None of the two points you made have ever had any impact on myself or my children. Moreover, none of these have ever been close to the discrimination and prejudice that other minorities have experienced.

DP.

So you think that makes discriminating against asians excusable? Because you personally haven't been harmed by it?

And what discrimination and prejudice have non-black minorities experienced that you have not? Were you here in the aftermath of 9/11?

Where did I say that discrimination was excusable? The PP's point come from a place of privilege; not everyone is entitled to go to an ivy-league or competitive magnet high school. There are reasons why the admission to these places is limited. Just because you are a high-scoring Asian does not entitle you to receive automatic admission to these places.

As a minority I've experienced discrimination, but I've been fortunate enough to never be denied a job, credit, or been racially profiled due to being Indian.

Literally the only people "entitled" in this discussion are those who benefit from AA at the expense of others.

You are making assumptions about who would be admitted. As the PP said, just because you are a high-scoring asian does not entitle you to automatic admission. Colleges want kids with a variety of backgrounds, skills, interests, majors, etc.

That's stupid. Nobody buys that bullsht. Without raciual dsicrimination asian admissions go up. The gap in academic achievement is too stark.

If all the kids were struggling when they got there, your misspelled rant would make sense, but the truth is the kids thrive when they get there. The gap is not stark.

The gap is humongous.

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When it comes to the top schools, people tend to want a meritocracy because it seems fair. And people tend to want a school that looks like America, because that too seems fair.

And none of those things are fair.

We all know test scores can be gamed with money - well-to-do families send their kids to schools with good teachers, and highly educated parents, and stable families, and invest in test prep. That's 500 points right there over any kid coming from Dunbar or Eastern.

People also tend to want racially-balanced schools, but we all know that's not fair either. Asian-Americans are only 6 percent of the US population. Anyone going to a college with just 6 percent Asian-American IS NOT GOING TO A GOOD SCHOOL.

Black folks are about 13 percent of the US population. It's a been a lot of easier for mediocre black students over the years because every college wants to hit al least 13 percent.

But no one wants racial preferences. And no one wants test score only college acceptances like in China and India.

It's a messy situation for the top 30 or so schools.

And France and The Netherlands and pretty much any other European country, you can name uses an exam or series of exams. Actually, I think it's the same in Africa and South America too. This is not a Chinese/Indian thing. European are just as shocked with our college admissions process as Asians are.

Using a combination of exit exams and entrance exams is more the norm than the exception in the rest of the world.

And why does it seem fair that colleges look like america in general? Consider this chart https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

What do you think the most selective colleges and universities should look like given that chart?

You can't ignore the founding of our country. America is truly unique.

And why should asians shoulder the burden of those original sins?

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

Indian American here. None of the two points you made have ever had any impact on myself or my children. Moreover, none of these have ever been close to the discrimination and prejudice that other minorities have experienced.

DP.

So you think that makes discriminating against asians excusable? Because you personally haven't been harmed by it?

And what discrimination and prejudice have non-black minorities experienced that you have not? Were you here in the aftermath of 9/11?

Where did I say that discrimination was excusable? The PP's point come from a place of privilege; not everyone is entitled to go to an ivy-league or competitive magnet high school. There are reasons why the admission to these places is limited.

So you weren't arguing for the continued racial discrimination against asian student? Because it really sounded like you were trying to excuse explicit racial discrimination against asians students because you think other racial minorities have had it worse. That's not what you were doing?

Just because you are a high-scoring Asian does not entitle you to receive automatic admission to these places.

Being a high scoring ANYTHING makes you more qualified for these places than skin color. Colleges explicitly discriminate against asians and TJ changed their entire admissions process to reduce the asian population.

As a minority I've experienced discrimination, but I've been fortunate enough to never be denied a job, credit, or been racially profiled due to being Indian.

How old are you? Because almost every Indian over the age of 50 remembers Indians being profiled in the wake of 9/11.

Do you even have children?

And nobody cares about your race when extending credit, they care about your credit score.
Banks regularly get audited to make sure this is true.

And the rate of interviews for resumes with foreign sounding names (including indian names) is just as bad as resumes with black sounding names.

You have no idea what you are talking about. There have been many instances of discrimination in scoring systems based on race. I used to work for Fannie Mae when they got sued for disparate treatment because their system was giving different answers based on race. You talk about racial profiling after 9/11? Where were you over the last 400 years getting profiled. Talk to me then.

Asians didn't own slaves.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

You are the one begging white people to take from asians and give to you. Have some dignity. Stop begging the people you claim are oppressing you for favors at the expense of other minorities.

Black students are absolutely taking spots from asians. Everybody knows this, including you.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

Funny how you only care about “fairness” for Asian students.

What do you think asians are asking for that others are not getting?

For colleges to focus solely on certain metrics that give most Asian students an unfair advantage.

Which metrics are those?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0IRHiaacAA3cu-?format=jpg

Yes, those.

Not every student has access to high-quality activities, academic opportunities, supportive families, etc. That's why solely looking at those metrics, without context, is unfair.

That chart is comparing asians to whites. What unfair advantage do asians have over whites?

So is it really the black kids who are “stealing seats” from Asian kids?

Asian kids are hugely overrepresented in American colleges and universities. The numbers show that nobody is stealing seats from them and if anything it's the Asian kids sucking up all the air in the room not leaving much for anyone else.

You can be over-represented and discriminated against at the same time.
In fact the discrimination only exists because of the over-representation.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

Your simplification of this as if we want to all fight for white people is hilarious and wrong. AA doesn't work, is unfair, and is hateful towards Asian Americans. Plain and simple.

Nobody is "fighting" any group except you, against Asians.

And the overall educational system is hateful for kids from low-income and/or URM families.

And yet low income asians still thrive.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

Your simplification of this as if we want to all fight for white people is hilarious and wrong. AA doesn't work, is unfair, and is hateful towards Asian Americans. Plain and simple.

Nobody is "fighting" any group except you, against Asians.

And the overall educational system is hateful for kids from low-income and/or URM families.

Viewing people as perpetual victims tends to not work out in the long run. And is exactly why Trump won again.

No, Trump won because a bunch of idiots believed RW propaganda.

Acknowledging that some kids have major advantages over others isn’t perpetuating anything. And ignoring that fact doesn’t make it go away.

DP or we were tired of your left wing propoganda.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

Your simplification of this as if we want to all fight for white people is hilarious and wrong. AA doesn't work, is unfair, and is hateful towards Asian Americans. Plain and simple.

Nobody is "fighting" any group except you, against Asians.

And the overall educational system is hateful for kids from low-income and/or URM families.

Viewing people as perpetual victims tends to not work out in the long run. And is exactly why Trump won again.

I don't view anyone as a perpetual victim. I actually don't care. You are going to FAFO. Trump is VERY anti-China. You will have more things to think about than affirmative action and someone taking away those precious spots that you believe you deserve more than anyone else.

Agree, there will be some FA/FO regret to come.
It seems pretty clear to me that a lot of people on this board have already forgotten about the huge spike in anti-Asian hate crimes, anti-Asian sentiment and distrust that arose and was driven by Trump when the pandemic happened.

And who was committing those hate crimes?

The amount of people hoping for FAFO is pathetic.

Everyone trying to disrupt privilege will FAFO, why would it be any different this time.

Blacks just happen to believe their ancestors earned this privilege over the last 400 years (even though most AA benficiaries are immigrants or the children of immgirants) so even if it comes at the expense of people who had nothing to do with thei 400 year history of oppression, they think they deserve it.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

Your simplification of this as if we want to all fight for white people is hilarious and wrong. AA doesn't work, is unfair, and is hateful towards Asian Americans. Plain and simple.

Nobody is "fighting" any group except you, against Asians.

And the overall educational system is hateful for kids from low-income and/or URM families.

Viewing people as perpetual victims tends to not work out in the long run. And is exactly why Trump won again.

I don't view anyone as a perpetual victim. I actually don't care. You are going to FAFO. Trump is VERY anti-China. You will have more things to think about than affirmative action and someone taking away those precious spots that you believe you deserve more than anyone else.

Agree, there will be some FA/FO regret to come.
It seems pretty clear to me that a lot of people on this board have already forgotten about the huge spike in anti-Asian hate crimes, anti-Asian sentiment and distrust that arose and was driven by Trump when the pandemic happened.

And who was committing those hate crimes?

The amount of people hoping for FAFO is pathetic.

Everyone trying to disrupt privilege will FAFO, why would it be any different this time.

Blacks just happen to believe their ancestors earned this privilege over the last 400 years (even though most AA benficiaries are immigrants or the children of immgirants) so even if it comes at the expense of people who had nothing to do with thei 400 year history of oppression, they think they deserve it.

Black Americans did not choose to come to America. We were brought here as slaves. So tell me, where your people hanging from trees just 60 years ago because they spoke to a white woman? Were you prevented from buying houses in neighborhoods until the 1970s? My father could not go to a state school because they did not allow black people to attend the state university. So legacy would not even work for me. Did your people go through that to?

Don't lecture me about something you do not understand. Do not get all of the benefits of coming to American and then sh*t on my experience and oppression. Do not discount my people building all of our great institutions for free and then sit here and lecture about why we should be over it already. Yes, I am a FAFO person. No one is coming to your aid when things go south. You've made no allies and we are tired of fighting for people who don't appreciate it and don't care about us.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

Your simplification of this as if we want to all fight for white people is hilarious and wrong. AA doesn't work, is unfair, and is hateful towards Asian Americans. Plain and simple.

Nobody is "fighting" any group except you, against Asians.

And the overall educational system is hateful for kids from low-income and/or URM families.

Viewing people as perpetual victims tends to not work out in the long run. And is exactly why Trump won again.

I don't view anyone as a perpetual victim. I actually don't care. You are going to FAFO. Trump is VERY anti-China. You will have more things to think about than affirmative action and someone taking away those precious spots that you believe you deserve more than anyone else.

Agree, there will be some FA/FO regret to come.
It seems pretty clear to me that a lot of people on this board have already forgotten about the huge spike in anti-Asian hate crimes, anti-Asian sentiment and distrust that arose and was driven by Trump when the pandemic happened.

And who was committing those hate crimes?

The amount of people hoping for FAFO is pathetic.

Everyone trying to disrupt privilege will FAFO, why would it be any different this time.

Blacks just happen to believe their ancestors earned this privilege over the last 400 years (even though most AA benficiaries are immigrants or the children of immgirants) so even if it comes at the expense of people who had nothing to do with thei 400 year history of oppression, they think they deserve it.

Black Americans did not choose to come to America. We were brought here as slaves. So tell me, where your people hanging from trees just 60 years ago because they spoke to a white woman? Were you prevented from buying houses in neighborhoods until the 1970s? My father could not go to a state school because they did not allow black people to attend the state university. So legacy would not even work for me. Did your people go through that to?

Don't lecture me about something you do not understand. Do not get all of the benefits of coming to American and then sh*t on my experience and oppression. Do not discount my people building all of our great institutions for free and then sit here and lecture about why we should be over it already. Yes, I am a FAFO person. No one is coming to your aid when things go south. You've made no allies and we are tired of fighting for people who don't appreciate it and don't care about us.

PP here - all the while you are screaming about fairness and merit. No one cares except you.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

Your simplification of this as if we want to all fight for white people is hilarious and wrong. AA doesn't work, is unfair, and is hateful towards Asian Americans. Plain and simple.

Nobody is "fighting" any group except you, against Asians.

And the overall educational system is hateful for kids from low-income and/or URM families.

Viewing people as perpetual victims tends to not work out in the long run. And is exactly why Trump won again.

I don't view anyone as a perpetual victim. I actually don't care. You are going to FAFO. Trump is VERY anti-China. You will have more things to think about than affirmative action and someone taking away those precious spots that you believe you deserve more than anyone else.

Agree, there will be some FA/FO regret to come.
It seems pretty clear to me that a lot of people on this board have already forgotten about the huge spike in anti-Asian hate crimes, anti-Asian sentiment and distrust that arose and was driven by Trump when the pandemic happened.

And who was committing those hate crimes?

The amount of people hoping for FAFO is pathetic.

Everyone trying to disrupt privilege will FAFO, why would it be any different this time.

Blacks just happen to believe their ancestors earned this privilege over the last 400 years (even though most AA benficiaries are immigrants or the children of immgirants) so even if it comes at the expense of people who had nothing to do with thei 400 year history of oppression, they think they deserve it.

Black Americans did not choose to come to America. We were brought here as slaves. So tell me, where your people hanging from trees just 60 years ago because they spoke to a white woman? Were you prevented from buying houses in neighborhoods until the 1970s? My father could not go to a state school because they did not allow black people to attend the state university. So legacy would not even work for me. Did your people go through that to?

Don't lecture me about something you do not understand. Do not get all of the benefits of coming to American and then sh*t on my experience and oppression. Do not discount my people building all of our great institutions for free and then sit here and lecture about why we should be over it already. Yes, I am a FAFO person. No one is coming to your aid when things go south. You've made no allies and we are tired of fighting for people who don't appreciate it and don't care about us.

At some point in US history, Asians were also barred from buying homes and lands, being educated along side white people, and even denied citizenship. Segregation impacted Asians, as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

Your simplification of this as if we want to all fight for white people is hilarious and wrong. AA doesn't work, is unfair, and is hateful towards Asian Americans. Plain and simple.

Nobody is "fighting" any group except you, against Asians.

And the overall educational system is hateful for kids from low-income and/or URM families.

Viewing people as perpetual victims tends to not work out in the long run. And is exactly why Trump won again.

I don't view anyone as a perpetual victim. I actually don't care. You are going to FAFO. Trump is VERY anti-China. You will have more things to think about than affirmative action and someone taking away those precious spots that you believe you deserve more than anyone else.

Agree, there will be some FA/FO regret to come.
It seems pretty clear to me that a lot of people on this board have already forgotten about the huge spike in anti-Asian hate crimes, anti-Asian sentiment and distrust that arose and was driven by Trump when the pandemic happened.

And who was committing those hate crimes?

The amount of people hoping for FAFO is pathetic.

Everyone trying to disrupt privilege will FAFO, why would it be any different this time.

Blacks just happen to believe their ancestors earned this privilege over the last 400 years (even though most AA benficiaries are immigrants or the children of immgirants) so even if it comes at the expense of people who had nothing to do with thei 400 year history of oppression, they think they deserve it.

Black Americans did not choose to come to America. We were brought here as slaves. So tell me, where your people hanging from trees just 60 years ago because they spoke to a white woman? Were you prevented from buying houses in neighborhoods until the 1970s? My father could not go to a state school because they did not allow black people to attend the state university. So legacy would not even work for me. Did your people go through that to?

Don't lecture me about something you do not understand. Do not get all of the benefits of coming to American and then sh*t on my experience and oppression. Do not discount my people building all of our great institutions for free and then sit here and lecture about why we should be over it already. Yes, I am a FAFO person. No one is coming to your aid when things go south. You've made no allies and we are tired of fighting for people who don't appreciate it and don't care about us.

True, but Asians didn't create the slave trade that brought your ancestors here, nor did they own any slaves. So, why discriminate against a group that is more of a minority than Black or Hispanics?

Regarding "over representation" -- comparing it to the overall population is meaningless. You have to compare the numbers to the number of applicants, and Asian Americans apply to colleges in much higher numbers than any other group.

Most Asians come from a culture that values education, and sees education as a path to financial stability, including lower income families like mine.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem for Dems and liberals is that they constantly whine about equity, racism, inclusion, white supremacy, yadda yadda, but the fact of the matter remians is that ASIANS actually have the highest median household income and wealth out of all racial groups in the country. How is that possible if there is lack of equity, systemic racism and white supremacy?

The uncomfortable truth is that you CAN actually make it in America if you work hard and have strong family values and discipline. It's not a govt or societal problem, it is the fact that other groups besides Asians simply don't have the same traditions and values that Asians do. No one ever wants to take personal responsibility for their own outcomes, it must be because of white supremacy and inequality. It is just amazing how so many Asians can come here with nothing and in one generation produce offspring who have more wealth than the average American.

People need to fix themselves if they want equity. You can socially engineer being a good parent.

Please explain the government sponsored policies that prevented Asians from achieving in the last 2 generations like some other groups have experienced.

1) Public universities have discriminated against Asian American applicants and pandered to black applicants for decades and it will take several more Court decisions to completely eliminate this effect due to universities resisting and coming up with ways to circumvent the Court ruling;
2) Public high schools such as TJ and others in other states have deliberately changed merit based system to subjective 'holistic' admissions process to decrease Asian students and increase black students.

There are others but those are 2.

This absolutely kills me. Black students never took your spots, white students did. I am so sick of Asian students complaining that somehow when Harvard is 6% black and they didn't get in, it's the black student's fault. You are so brainwashed.

Universities want a diversity of students whether it's race, geography, economic status, etc. No school is based on just merit. And while I am at it, just because you score high on a test means nothing when you are in the working world. I attended an HBCU. I have several ivy league employees who report to me. Engineers and computer scientists are a commodity. Leadership and strategy traits are not. Some of the smartest (on paper) people I know can't think their way out of a paper bag.

People want fairness, not affirmative action. It's that simple. Colleges DID discriminate against asians. That's it. Full stop. Stop defending it.

They may have but black students didn't take their spots. I'm going to keep defending it. Women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. Just stay mad. It's stupid. You are fighting the wrong group of people. Do you think you will be respected more by white people? You won't.

Your simplification of this as if we want to all fight for white people is hilarious and wrong. AA doesn't work, is unfair, and is hateful towards Asian Americans. Plain and simple.

Nobody is "fighting" any group except you, against Asians.

And the overall educational system is hateful for kids from low-income and/or URM families.

Viewing people as perpetual victims tends to not work out in the long run. And is exactly why Trump won again.

I don't view anyone as a perpetual victim. I actually don't care. You are going to FAFO. Trump is VERY anti-China. You will have more things to think about than affirmative action and someone taking away those precious spots that you believe you deserve more than anyone else.

Agree, there will be some FA/FO regret to come.
It seems pretty clear to me that a lot of people on this board have already forgotten about the huge spike in anti-Asian hate crimes, anti-Asian sentiment and distrust that arose and was driven by Trump when the pandemic happened.

And who was committing those hate crimes?

The amount of people hoping for FAFO is pathetic.

Everyone trying to disrupt privilege will FAFO, why would it be any different this time.

Blacks just happen to believe their ancestors earned this privilege over the last 400 years (even though most AA benficiaries are immigrants or the children of immgirants) so even if it comes at the expense of people who had nothing to do with thei 400 year history of oppression, they think they deserve it.

Black Americans did not choose to come to America. We were brought here as slaves. So tell me, where your people hanging from trees just 60 years ago because they spoke to a white woman? Were you prevented from buying houses in neighborhoods until the 1970s? My father could not go to a state school because they did not allow black people to attend the state university. So legacy would not even work for me. Did your people go through that to?

Don't lecture me about something you do not understand. Do not get all of the benefits of coming to American and then sh*t on my experience and oppression. Do not discount my people building all of our great institutions for free and then sit here and lecture about why we should be over it already. Yes, I am a FAFO person. No one is coming to your aid when things go south. You've made no allies and we are tired of fighting for people who don't appreciate it and don't care about us.

This really isn't a compelling argument in modern America. Most Americans are the fairly recent descendants from immigrants. The Irish, Armenians, Cambodians, Chinese, Jews, Rwandans, Poles, Salvadorans and many other groups all know suffering over the past 100 years.

But it is helpful when black folks straight up say "no one is coming to your aid when things go south."

So noted!

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PP

Yes what you say is true, the United States has turned into a nation of immigrants who see this place as one where their families can do what it takes to care for themselves. They have no interest in African Americans and their history in this country. They literally could not care less. It some cases, the history does not exist to them--American history begins when their people started entering the country. Nothing before that matters or really happened because hey, "we" were not here so it wasn't really America at that time. Understanding the place of Affirmative Action (even if you think it is no longer needed but was once a good idea) requires a desire to understand the role of black Americans in the formation and evolution of this country, and immigrants just do not care. And thanks to decades of high immigration, our government will adopt this approach. I think we see it now in this new Trump administration. Ellis Island immigrants and South Asian immigrants who black people are invisible to. Black Americans we just need to get used to this. So PP, you don't care about us, why do you want us to care about you? Is this the new America, people only care about their tribe? So let it be. So you can stop arguing with us here then, advocate for your people but don't ask anyone else to care.