NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so up in arms about this guy's speech. He's a super conservative Catholic who gave a speech reflecting his values and opinions to a mostly like-minded audience, so what? Most of these posters wouldn't bat an eye at some ultra progressive person giving an ultra progressive speech at a super lefty college. The whole "controversy" is so dumb, especially since his comments about how most of the women in the graduating class are probably looking forward to being SAHMs instead of having careers was probably true given the composition of the college where spoke.

This is the U.S. we have freedom of speech and, gasp, many people don't agree with progressive orthodoxy.

I agree that the reaction to the speech seems a bit excessive, but the reason it struck such a chord and has become amplified is because his comments are being viewed in the context of multiple legislative efforts to erode the position of women in our society. Women's rights over their bodies, reproductive rights, and personal autonomy are under siege. It's as if Butker lifted the veil for a moment and showed us what the religious fanatics on the Supreme Court, in Congress, and in state legislatures think of women and their proper place in society. I can assure you that more people agree with what you call "progressive orthodoxy" than they do with the type of Christofascism being promoted by Butker and the other religious fundamentalists in state and national government. So while Butker obvious has the freedom to express his minority religious views, the rest of us have the freedom to express our disagreement with those views.

Religious fanatics? You think Roe was well reasoned law? Love to have this debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so up in arms about this guy's speech. He's a super conservative Catholic who gave a speech reflecting his values and opinions to a mostly like-minded audience, so what? Most of these posters wouldn't bat an eye at some ultra progressive person giving an ultra progressive speech at a super lefty college. The whole "controversy" is so dumb, especially since his comments about how most of the women in the graduating class are probably looking forward to being SAHMs instead of having careers was probably true given the composition of the college where spoke.

This is the U.S. we have freedom of speech and, gasp, many people don't agree with progressive orthodoxy.

Even the Benedictine nuns spoke out against what he said.

Yes, we have freedom of speech, and that includes speaking out against a misogynist.

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Not sure why this is on the political discussion board and not entertainment.

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Anonymous wrote:Reality is most men and women find the most pleasure in finding a compatible spouse whom they love and raising children together. Only today has this become controversial. Sad for our times.

What he said is controversial because of the other crap going on that conservatives have pushed onto the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people are so up in arms about this guy's speech. He's a super conservative Catholic who gave a speech reflecting his values and opinions to a mostly like-minded audience, so what? Most of these posters wouldn't bat an eye at some ultra progressive person giving an ultra progressive speech at a super lefty college. The whole "controversy" is so dumb, especially since his comments about how most of the women in the graduating class are probably looking forward to being SAHMs instead of having careers was probably true given the composition of the college where spoke.

This is the U.S. we have freedom of speech and, gasp, many people don't agree with progressive orthodoxy.

This is the U.S. we have freedom of speech and, gasp, many people don't agree with conservative orthodoxy.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so horrible about being a successful working mom?

There is no such thing as a successful working mom (or dad). Kids are being raised by someone who is likely not minding their own kids because they have to watch another working mom's kids. Outsourcing parenting, especially when kids are young, doesn't make one a successful working mom or dad.

The Boomer generation is proof that staying home to raise children doesn’t make you a successful parent, either. There is so much psychological damage in this generation from being raised by people that had to pop Valium and start cocktails promptly at 5 pm just to get through the tedium of their days. And that was when this society valued women as homemakers as much as they ever did or would.

+1 My family is case in point. My mother stayed at home to raise us 5 kids. That doesn't mean she spent a lot of one-on-one time with us. Quite the opposite. She was too busy cooking, cleaning, taking care of the household stuff, and tending to the garden while my dad was too busy working overtime to be able to barely pay the mortgage. We were stuck in a big play pen while little and rarely got taken out to playgrounds. If we had "playdates" it was just neighbors coming over without parental supervision. We didn't do sports, travel sports, all the enriching activities that families all do nowadays. None of us had guidance regarding college and careers from our parents. And unfortunately none of us got therapy to deal with the after effects of intergenerational trauma so there are quite a few of us messed up today. Don't think it would have been any worse if we had been in a family daycare before entering kindergarten or had aftercare for the few years of elementary school. My own kids LOVED their aftercare, would ask to stay longer some days when I came to pick them up, and when they were smaller, their family day care provider was like a nonna to them and is still in their lives.

Anyone who studies the history of families knows that the model of a woman who stays at the house all day cooking and cleaning and overseeing the kids while her husband goes outside the home to work is a relatively new model. Women have always worked, usually alongside their husbands at whatever trade he was in. And grandparents - really the grandmothers - have always watched over small children.

People need to read more.

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Conservative Catholicism is about living in a worldview where slaves were taught good life skills.
Think the slave women or middle age serfs got to focus on homemaking? No they were forced into Catholicism with edited bibles (gee that seems like current edited bibles) and those bibles said be subservient while cutting out the Jews freedom. No time for anything but having the current tiny world view that always bemoans current day where being alive has never been so good.

We keep you alive with vaccines and medicines and give you social security and Medicare so you bigots can just be weak minded and blame everyone else for the fact we find you reprehensible to be around.
Butker himself in this speech said
“The tyranny of inclusion, diversity, and equality”

You cannot defend that you shithole bigots who think Catholicism is about negativity.

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I haven’t read through 50 pages of comments. I just wanted to say that I am a big fan of this player and support him completely!

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 50 pages of comments. I just wanted to say that I am a big fan of this player and support him completely!

The Benedictine nuns don't. And they are more catholic than you or him.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 50 pages of comments. I just wanted to say that I am a big fan of this player and support him completely!

The Benedictine nuns don't. And they are more catholic than you or him.

Yes they are. I’m not Catholic at all. But I completely support his position.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 50 pages of comments. I just wanted to say that I am a big fan of this player and support him completely!

The Benedictine nuns don't. And they are more catholic than you or him.

Yes they are. I’m not Catholic at all. But I completely support his position.

Ok and many don't. Everyone is free to express their opinions, including those who don't agree with him.

He's a hypocrite, though. He's not "present" in his kids' lives. He's gone a lot for work.

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Anonymous wrote:Reality is most men and women find the most pleasure in finding a compatible spouse whom they love and raising children together. Only today has this become controversial. Sad for our times.

What he said is controversial because of the other crap going on that conservatives have pushed onto the rest of us.

He said it at a Catholic college. I'm curious if you think people should be allowed to have conservative views.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 50 pages of comments. I just wanted to say that I am a big fan of this player and support him completely!

The Benedictine nuns don't. And they are more catholic than you or him.

Yes they are. I’m not Catholic at all. But I completely support his position.

Ok and many don't. Everyone is free to express their opinions, including those who don't agree with him.

He's a hypocrite, though. He's not "present" in his kids' lives. He's gone a lot for work.

I think the goal is to make it so that he is not free to express his opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 50 pages of comments. I just wanted to say that I am a big fan of this player and support him completely!

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 50 pages of comments. I just wanted to say that I am a big fan of this player and support him completely!

The Benedictine nuns don't. And they are more catholic than you or him.

Being a nun does not make one more Catholic than a layperson.

Your position is contrary to Catholic teaching.