I call BS. Not only did no kids from TPMS get in with scores that low but none of the TPMS magnet kids even have MAP-M scores in the 240s in 8th grade. My own TPMS kid reports that there were no surprises among the kids who got in. They were the strongest kids. I don’t know if your kid was bullshitting you or if you just made this up to stir shit. |
And CogAt is also gameable |
240-250 are still high scores. |
There hasn't been Cogat in several years. |
I know that. PP was saying that MAP+grades+CogAt make the process more 'objective'. I"m not so convinced. |
Yes. TPMS kids have scores in 240/250 range. Yes, thankfully they have selected the strongest kids. Read my post again. And improve your vocabulary - seems rather shitty. |
There are a lot of strong students who also got waitlisted. |
I mean, you are sort of handwaving away some pretty big factors here, including the fact that Black and brown children in our community are disproportionately likely to live in poverty. So, you look at that fact and assume that MCPS is considering FARMS status as a proxy for race, instead of accepting that kids living in poverty are facing a much steeper hill to climb in terms of academic achievement than their middle class or upper middle class counterparts. That's pretty cold. This seems like a good chance to discuss structural bias vs. intrinsic bias. Poor kids, and particularly poor Black and Latino kids, face structural bias. Every single step they take is harder for a variety of reasons. Implicit bias is the thing you are worried about here, that a kid who lists 8 years of violin and 5 years of Korean heritage language school on their application is going to face implicit bias from the reviewers. That may be true, but it's also not even nearly the same level of gatekeeping that other groups face, in part because that child has the option of not listing Korean language school. They shouldn't have to, but they have that option. A kid who is doing their homework with a flashlight because their power is turned off again doesn't have the same ability to just 'opt out' of bias. |
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Your post is exactly why there’s bias in the system. That poster was only making a general case that the system isn’t completely race-neutral, which it is not, and then you just respond by an attack that has nothing to do with the actual post.
Kids who live in poverty do have real barriers to academic achievement, and I think everyone recognizes that. Unfortunately the magnet reforms that are happening across the country are focused on race. In New York City, nearly all the kids getting in to magnets are FARMS. The same kids that you claim might have to use flashlights to do their homework. But they are nearly all poor Asian kids so the changes being discussed there do nothing to help kids who are FARMS or ESOL but instead look for other changes that will result in the reduction of Asian students despite so many of them being poor. I can’t believe you used the example of violin and heritage language school. Talk about bias and stereotyping. Good one. |
The earlier poster literally said race might come through in the essay and Asian American kids would have discrimination. Show the evidence for that claim, if not for something extremely obvious like language school. You think they are looking at travel soccer and thinking "must be an Asian kid.". No, the victim complex only works if the things listed is a stereotype. |
Of course this is BS. But I'm guessing there are a few lottery 6th graders with scores like that. From high farm schools. |
From any schools. But we’re not talking about sixth graders, these are 8th. |
Yes, and for 8th graders that's utter nonsense. The only reason 6th grade lottery kids get in with those scores are because 1) it's a lottery 2) they are from a high-FARMs school The PP was just confused. |
It's just another sour grapes post. Their kid wasn't selected so they make up nonsense to trash the program which they were so desperate to get their child into. |
^ Blair envy ... |