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Anonymous
Not exactly. The Joga teams from a couple of years ago were 02/03 and 04/05. There were 2 06s on the 04/05 team. One went went to Bethesda (MD). One went to Arlington. Many of the 06/07 players who went to BSC South have also participated in a lot of supplemental training over the years, including Joga as well as HP Elite and many others. The Joga coach likes to claim any player who's ever attended a few training sessions with him as a "Joga kid", so he can take credit for their success, but that's just his part of his marketing shtick. Talk to any parent whose kid has done both and they'll tell you their player improved far more with Yuri than they ever did with Joga, because Yuri is a better and more committed coach. |
Anonymous
Sounds like you have an ax to grind with Joga. Can you provide an example of when the Joga coach has taken credit for any of the successes of the kids that play with BSC-South? In all the conversations I've had with parents that have done both, several have given a lot of credit to Joga training for their kid's development. They have paid many respects to Joga and they all like Yuri. I never heard any of them debate which training is more responsible for their kid's development. I think they appreciate all the training that their kids have received. You just came on here to attack Joga for some reason. Go talk to Keph if you have a problem with him. He's not hard to find. |
Anonymous
| Our son joined BSC South mainly because of Yuri who has been instrumental to his development. His training and dedication are some of the best we have come across in travel soccer. But he has also sampled Joga which he enjoyed very much. They compliment each other well. |
Anonymous
01 Team is collapsing now. |
Anonymous
The tournament directors do the seeding, not the teams. It's not perfect, obviously. There is always a team that should have been in the next bracket up, or the next bracket down. |
Anonymous
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This was a post from another thread that I thought was great so I thought I'd share it on this one....
"...some thoughts from a U18 parent. Coaching and teams are very important early on, but the best thing you can do for your young player is get him/her individual technical training. 1 - 2 times per week. I did this not knowing how important it would be, and I am so happy I did it. By HS age in club, technical skills are what distinguishes great players. At U9 - U12, its pure athleticism. You could give the A team a basketball or a tennis racket, and they would win. From about U13 onward, its all technical skills." |
Anonymous
I saw that on the other thread, and was not sure what to make of it. Don't most clubs focus on technical training as part of their regularly scheduled practices? They will all tell you that you need to do additional skills work on your own at home (ideally daily), and you can definitely tell which kids do and don't. But why would you need to pay, expensively, for 2X a week individual training when you are already paying quite a lot for travel soccer? I can see it for winters or summers when there may be no club practice, but otherwise it seems like you should be able to get to the right place just by practicing at home, plus playing pickup if possible. |
Anonymous
Most of the time when a team ends up seeded in a lower bracket it's not because they asked for it. It's far more likely that they asked for a higher bracket but the tournament director didn't think they were that good. So now the coach has to worry about losing players because their parents might want to jump to a better team that will get into better brackets and better tournaments, to play against better competition. That's why you end up with scorelines like 11-0, 9-1, and 8-1. It's the only thing the coach can try to do to influence the next tournament director to place the team in a higher bracket. I guarantee that's what happened with the team the OP is complaining about (BRYC 08G). I know their coach and he has no interest in having his girls play against inferior competition and not be challenged. For seeding purposes, they had only done one tournament before and had lost all 3 games, so there wasn't a lot to go on, but still. Putting BRYC's top girl's team in any age group in the lowest possible bracket just makes no sense. Your team is right to be upset - but the fault here lies with the tournament, not the coach. |
Anonymous
I posted the initial quote above. Do you really think that your team coach is spending a lot of time showing your kid just how to angle his foot to receive the ball, how to turn against another player, how to head in exactly the right way? Especially at the critical 9 - 12 years? Critiquing him individually, making corrections, practicing the same move over and over? No way. That's what you are paying for with a trainer. And if you feel like 'Hey, I'm already paying for this', well you can do that, but others are going that extra mile, and that's your competition. |
Anonymous
| I hear you 12:54, but if you have a girl, assume one who loves to play at the highest level, what is the pay off? Yes, doing something you love. But if you invest a ton of money into soccer, and your DD makes the big leagues, isn't she making less than a teacher? |
Anonymous
Well, a girls "payoff" is very different than a boys, for one thing. Women's soccer and other women's sports enable the big money men's sports in college. It's not because the crowds are flocking out to stadiums and buying beers and hot dogs at women's D1 games. So in a strange way, CBS and March Madness are paying for your girl's D1 soccer scholarship, and it's required by law. Men's soccer in college is suffering the exact opposite fate. There is no TV money, or really any other money. It has 2/3 of the scholarships of women's soccer, and that's if they are funded. The women's scholarships must be funded, or no March Madness. So that's your payoff. There is no payoff in the pro's for anyone coming up through the US system, or at least so remote that you'd have better chances with a lottery ticket. If they are American and they are going to get a payoff, they moved to Europe at U13. |
Anonymous
Yes, I actually do think (or rather, know) that most of my kids' coaches worked on precisely those things at some or all of their practices when they were in that age range. I remember in particular an extremely long evaluation in which my son's U12 coach went through a check list of areas where he was progressing well v. needed more work. We covered striking with the inside, outside and top of each foot while standing, dribbling, turning, in the air. Heading, chesting, and all forms of trapping were discussed. Then we covered about 100 other elements on the ball or off the ball before we got to a more general progress report. It was far more detail than I wanted or needed to know, but my son seemed to appreciate the feedback given how much time they spent on these things in practice. Other coaches haven't been quite as obsessive about it, but I can't remember one that ignored fundamentals. Every last one understood that the critical years for technique development are 8-12. If the coaches at your kids' club aren't doing these things, and you can't teach them to your child, then I can see why you would want to supplement with outside training. Certainly I can understand it if you are playing rec, but have ambitions beyond rec. And if you and your kid have a lot of free time and no financial concerns, knock yourself out with extra training if your kid enjoys it. But if you are doing it because you are worried that the "competition" is going to get a step up on your kid, there are better and cheaper ways to go. |
Anonymous
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There is *some* sandbagging in tournaments. I've seen tournament hosts put their A teams in a lower division and then brag about their trophy.
But much more common than that is the coach who insists on dragging his overmatched team up a bracket or two. That makes things miserable for everyone, especially when tournament rules break ties with shutouts and then five-goal wins. |
Anonymous
Well very few players(men or women) will have monetary return on investment. If you can't afford the training, do not do it. It seems you are more concerned about investing in girls vs boys ...like there is some pay off for the boys but not for the girls. You can take all the boys in all the clubs in this area and you will be lucky to get one or two journeyman pro players. The odds of playing at a major college or in the pros are very small for either sex. The individual training/coaching makes all the difference for the players that are motivated and have talent. |
Anonymous
| 12:53 - the parents of our white team told us that they were offered the slot in our bracket and they (our 2nd best team of 6) turned it down because it wouldn't be competitive. It was offered to BRYC's team that usually plays our white team, and they took it. Typically we play against one of their lower teams. (Lightning; this time it was the "elite" team.) So I do think that in this case, both the tournament and the team screwed up. |