FCPS paying for Critical Race Theory curriculum. To be implemented in a year

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

Why can’t they do both? You can say that Jefferson was a rapist and a slave owner and still say he wrote foundational documents, it just gives greater context that when he wrote “all men are created equal” he certainly didn’t mean it.

you can't teach that "only slaves built the country" because that isn't true.

Glossing over slavery is obviously a bad idea and if you ask me an entire unit should be dedicated to the justification and implementation of slavery in the U.S. and around the world including when various nations outlawed slavery, the various slave sellers, large buyers all the way down to the eventual individual slave master and even who it was who made the shackles and printed the auction fliers.

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Anonymous wrote:Jefferson wrote a denunciation of the institution of slavery for the Declaration:

"[H]e [the king of Britain] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it’s most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.

This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another."

It was cut out of the document by the other Founding Fathers.

In a 1770 Virginia court case, Jefferson declared: "Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving and using it as his own. This is what is called personal liberty, and is given him by the author of nature, because necessary for his own sustenance."

Thomas Jefferson regarded slaves as "human" and as "men." As such, they were most certainly included in the thought behind the scope of his words "all men are created equal."

And so it is an interesting fact that he bought and sold those humans, raped them, and even allowed his own son to be enslaved. The conflict between his words and his actions is as much a historical fact as any other, and so needs to be taught.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

Why can’t they do both? You can say that Jefferson was a rapist and a slave owner and still say he wrote foundational documents, it just gives greater context that when he wrote “all men are created equal” he certainly didn’t mean it.

you can't teach that "only slaves built the country" because that isn't true.

Glossing over slavery is obviously a bad idea and if you ask me an entire unit should be dedicated to the justification and implementation of slavery in the U.S. and around the world including when various nations outlawed slavery, the various slave sellers, large buyers all the way down to the eventual individual slave master and even who it was who made the shackles and printed the auction fliers.

I am the PP you quoted and not the one who said only slaves built the country, nor is that something I’ve seen here. Why can’t we teach that Jefferson BOTH wrote foundational documents *and* that he was a rapist and a slave owner who allowed his own son to be held in chattel slavery?

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

Why can’t they do both? You can say that Jefferson was a rapist and a slave owner and still say he wrote foundational documents, it just gives greater context that when he wrote “all men are created equal” he certainly didn’t mean it.

you can't teach that "only slaves built the country" because that isn't true.

Glossing over slavery is obviously a bad idea and if you ask me an entire unit should be dedicated to the justification and implementation of slavery in the U.S. and around the world including when various nations outlawed slavery, the various slave sellers, large buyers all the way down to the eventual individual slave master and even who it was who made the shackles and printed the auction fliers.

I am the PP you quoted and not the one who said only slaves built the country, nor is that something I’ve seen here. Why can’t we teach that Jefferson BOTH wrote foundational documents *and* that he was a rapist and a slave owner who allowed his own son to be held in chattel slavery?

You could say that. It's likely that instead he hated slavery, wanted to abolish it, but could not figure out how to do so. Btw, he didn't free many slaves, only a few, only the children of Sally Hemings, and Sally Hemings herself.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

Why can’t they do both? You can say that Jefferson was a rapist and a slave owner and still say he wrote foundational documents, it just gives greater context that when he wrote “all men are created equal” he certainly didn’t mean it.

you can't teach that "only slaves built the country" because that isn't true.

Glossing over slavery is obviously a bad idea and if you ask me an entire unit should be dedicated to the justification and implementation of slavery in the U.S. and around the world including when various nations outlawed slavery, the various slave sellers, large buyers all the way down to the eventual individual slave master and even who it was who made the shackles and printed the auction fliers.

I am the PP you quoted and not the one who said only slaves built the country, nor is that something I’ve seen here. Why can’t we teach that Jefferson BOTH wrote foundational documents *and* that he was a rapist and a slave owner who allowed his own son to be held in chattel slavery?

You could say that. It's likely that instead he hated slavery, wanted to abolish it, but could not figure out how to do so. Btw, he didn't free many slaves, only a few, only the children of Sally Hemings, and Sally Hemings herself.

He could not figure out how to abolish slavery nationally is one thing. He could not stop himself owning slaves, having sex with and fathering children with slaves, and then allowing those children to be held in chattel slavery as property is QUITE another. Plenty of the founding fathers didn’t solve national slavery without themselves participating in it.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

Why can’t they do both? You can say that Jefferson was a rapist and a slave owner and still say he wrote foundational documents, it just gives greater context that when he wrote “all men are created equal” he certainly didn’t mean it.

you can't teach that "only slaves built the country" because that isn't true.

Glossing over slavery is obviously a bad idea and if you ask me an entire unit should be dedicated to the justification and implementation of slavery in the U.S. and around the world including when various nations outlawed slavery, the various slave sellers, large buyers all the way down to the eventual individual slave master and even who it was who made the shackles and printed the auction fliers.

I am the PP you quoted and not the one who said only slaves built the country, nor is that something I’ve seen here. Why can’t we teach that Jefferson BOTH wrote foundational documents *and* that he was a rapist and a slave owner who allowed his own son to be held in chattel slavery?

You could say that. It's likely that instead he hated slavery, wanted to abolish it, but could not figure out how to do so. Btw, he didn't free many slaves, only a few, only the children of Sally Hemings, and Sally Hemings herself.

He could not figure out how to abolish slavery nationally is one thing. He could not stop himself owning slaves, having sex with and fathering children with slaves, and then allowing those children to be held in chattel slavery as property is QUITE another. Plenty of the founding fathers didn’t solve national slavery without themselves participating in it.

*cough cough* Washington "cough cough"

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

Why can’t they do both? You can say that Jefferson was a rapist and a slave owner and still say he wrote foundational documents, it just gives greater context that when he wrote “all men are created equal” he certainly didn’t mean it.

you can't teach that "only slaves built the country" because that isn't true.

Glossing over slavery is obviously a bad idea and if you ask me an entire unit should be dedicated to the justification and implementation of slavery in the U.S. and around the world including when various nations outlawed slavery, the various slave sellers, large buyers all the way down to the eventual individual slave master and even who it was who made the shackles and printed the auction fliers.

I am the PP you quoted and not the one who said only slaves built the country, nor is that something I’ve seen here. Why can’t we teach that Jefferson BOTH wrote foundational documents *and* that he was a rapist and a slave owner who allowed his own son to be held in chattel slavery?

You could say that. It's likely that instead he hated slavery, wanted to abolish it, but could not figure out how to do so. Btw, he didn't free many slaves, only a few, only the children of Sally Hemings, and Sally Hemings herself.

He could not figure out how to abolish slavery nationally is one thing. He could not stop himself owning slaves, having sex with and fathering children with slaves, and then allowing those children to be held in chattel slavery as property is QUITE another. Plenty of the founding fathers didn’t solve national slavery without themselves participating in it.

*cough cough* Washington "cough cough"

What about? His history is problematic and so his his wife’s (and her broader family...)

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You’re not. You only cloak yourself in a singular version of “patriotism.” The only thing I’m tired of is people like you who can’t handle - and whine, engage in hysterics, and moan- over an accurate depiction of history. You’re ignorant and willfully so. And I’ll stay right here to remind you of what a small person you are. And if you read the post, I said to acknowledge the good (of TJ and others) but not at the expense of ignoring the bad and the contributions of other overlooked Americans. I’m willing to acknowledge both. You’re not. Which makes you dishonest at worst and ignorant at best.

DP. You sound ignorant and uneducated. You don't seem to know much of anything about Jefferson, what he wrote, what he believed, or the time that he lived. You are not advocating for an accurate depiction of history at all.

But you can call others names, without doing any research at all about your subject.

He/she doesn’t care how they sound. They are on some “I’m white and I say so” time.

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How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

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Okay so can somebody explain to me how we went from “what happened to George Floyd was awful please help us white people understand what we can do to change things” to “we should now allow discussions of racism in schools (like the new Texas law) and we especially won’t pay Black people for the curriculum they made.”

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How about if we stop talking so much about color and focus on people, black, white, brown, purple, that need help in certain areas and how to help them? Actually get their feedback not on what they need to empower themselves to come into the American dream. Less about what they are harboring resentment about. Critical Race Theory is like giving people drugs over skill help to combat their mental health challenges. It helps to acknowledge that bad things happened in the past, but then there needs to be a second step forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay so can somebody explain to me how we went from “what happened to George Floyd was awful please help us white people understand what we can do to change things” to “we should now allow discussions of racism in schools (like the new Texas law) and we especially won’t pay Black people for the curriculum they made.”

Is any of this about Virginia? They sound like extreme things that you're trying to call out. You can spend your life focusing on extreme behavior. Just like poverty it will never be eradicated, just ignored and shut down. Or work for good in America. You only have so much energy to give each day. I choose to spend more time focusing on improvements rather than finding fault without any actual energy on my part to make things better. If you find fault in Virginia, can you at least offer a solution and sign up to help change things? This is the minimum that's required when starting something new in the PTA.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay so can somebody explain to me how we went from “what happened to George Floyd was awful please help us white people understand what we can do to change things” to “we should now allow discussions of racism in schools (like the new Texas law) and we especially won’t pay Black people for the curriculum they made.”

What happened was some went too far. We are not an even-keeled culture, we swing from one extreme to another and then correct and overcorrect. Etc.

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Anonymous wrote:How dare you say that I don't acknowledge him for what he did. You don't know me at all. I acknowledge what he did poorly in this forum and other places. You are the one who won't acknowledge him in full. You are so smug and have absolutely no idea other than your own warped image of what others think who aren't you. Virginia voted for his name on a building and on others. It wasn't white men. It was black, white, asian, women and others and in fact the school was just revised entry because of too many Asians. How you can say that school signifies white supremisicm is beyond me. Asking for his name to be removed is not acknowledging his pluses at all. Where do you acknowledge what he did for this country? We acknowledge what he didn't do. It's all over Monticello in full detail. Where are you acknowledging what he did do? Why don't you come back with what you think is appropriate for what he did for the country and for Virginia since you think the school is so out of place for his name? He obviously played a huge role in both Virginia and the US. His name on a building is entirely appropriate. If not that one than why and what instead? We even have a Jefferson Memorial for god's sake on the national mall. It's not like TJ is the only place where his name is. He started UVA and I have no problem with his name on that education building that is mostly Asian students.

Asians may not have as much a problem with him since he didn’t victimize their ancestors. Why don’t you track down some of the people whose ancestors where raped, killed, enslaved, had their teeth removed because white folks needed teeth, babies separated from mothers, and all the other abused that happened on Thomas Jefferson’s plantations. See how they feel about honoring Thomas Jefferson. Consulting the family of victims would be the right thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay so can somebody explain to me how we went from “what happened to George Floyd was awful please help us white people understand what we can do to change things” to “we should now allow discussions of racism in schools (like the new Texas law) and we especially won’t pay Black people for the curriculum they made.”

Black people didn’t make that curriculum.