Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m realizing there are people who think she had the miscarriage somewhere in the house and then moved it to the toilet. They don’t understand that she was sitting on the toilet when she expelled the remains.

*And* there was probably so much blood and fecal matter in the toilet that she likely couldn’t even see the fetus.

All these arm-chair Aunt Lydias with no idea of what this would have been like (after getting turned away from the hospital TWICE) and no empathy are awful.

I know exactly what it's like. It is very easy to see a 20-week baby. I held mine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

Even with insurance, ambulance rides can be $$$$$.

True, and we have no idea what charges this women may have been billed for previously— since she had already gone to the hospital twice before .

So at 33 years old, she is not capable of dealing with some medical bills, so instead tried to flush her baby down the toilet. To the PP upthread, it has been well established that at 20 weeks of gestation and beyond, it is far more than a clump of cells. This was not a teenager. This was a grown up 33-year-old woman. Yes, delivering at that gestation is hard, I am very well aware of it, but you don't just turn around and flush a baby down the toilet. It's horrible. But as we all know, sometimes life is hard. It's not an excuse for abhorent behavior.

She needed medical care, which the hospital refused to provide in her two trips to the ER.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

Even with insurance, ambulance rides can be $$$$$.

True, and we have no idea what charges this women may have been billed for previously— since she had already gone to the hospital twice before .

So at 33 years old, she is not capable of dealing with some medical bills, so instead tried to flush her baby down the toilet. To the PP upthread, it has been well established that at 20 weeks of gestation and beyond, it is far more than a clump of cells. This was not a teenager. This was a grown up 33-year-old woman. Yes, delivering at that gestation is hard, I am very well aware of it, but you don't just turn around and flush a baby down the toilet. It's horrible. But as we all know, sometimes life is hard. It's not an excuse for abhorent behavior.

What’s your excuse for your abhorrent behavior? Are you at or around 33 years? Shame on you. Go work at a shelter if you actually want to understand poverty. Yes there are fellow human beings out there who cannot “deal with” yet another medics. bill. Here in the US where many go bankrupt dealing with their medical bills People like you make me feel like the human race is doomed.

You have no idea what the dead fetus looked like when it came out. And yes people flush things down the toilet. All the time. Sometimes without thinking about it. You have more sympathy and concern for a dead fetus than for the living breathing woman who had do deal with giving birth to the dead fetus all alone in a bathroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m realizing there are people who think she had the miscarriage somewhere in the house and then moved it to the toilet. They don’t understand that she was sitting on the toilet when she expelled the remains.

*And* there was probably so much blood and fecal matter in the toilet that she likely couldn’t even see the fetus.

All these arm-chair Aunt Lydias with no idea of what this would have been like (after getting turned away from the hospital TWICE) and no empathy are awful.

I know exactly what it's like. It is very easy to see a 20-week baby. I held mine.

Who handed her to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m realizing there are people who think she had the miscarriage somewhere in the house and then moved it to the toilet. They don’t understand that she was sitting on the toilet when she expelled the remains.

*And* there was probably so much blood and fecal matter in the toilet that she likely couldn’t even see the fetus.

All these arm-chair Aunt Lydias with no idea of what this would have been like (after getting turned away from the hospital TWICE) and no empathy are awful.

I know exactly what it's like. It is very easy to see a 20-week baby. I held mine.

I know someone who did too and wishes she hadn’t, because it gave her nightmares for years. She said it looked like a piece of raw meat. This was a much wanted baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m realizing there are people who think she had the miscarriage somewhere in the house and then moved it to the toilet. They don’t understand that she was sitting on the toilet when she expelled the remains.

*And* there was probably so much blood and fecal matter in the toilet that she likely couldn’t even see the fetus.

All these arm-chair Aunt Lydias with no idea of what this would have been like (after getting turned away from the hospital TWICE) and no empathy are awful.

I know exactly what it's like. It is very easy to see a 20-week baby. I held mine.

Babies are not born at 20 weeks, at 20 weeks it's a miscarriage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

Even with insurance, ambulance rides can be $$$$$.

True, and we have no idea what charges this women may have been billed for previously— since she had already gone to the hospital twice before .

So at 33 years old, she is not capable of dealing with some medical bills, so instead tried to flush her baby down the toilet. To the PP upthread, it has been well established that at 20 weeks of gestation and beyond, it is far more than a clump of cells. This was not a teenager. This was a grown up 33-year-old woman. Yes, delivering at that gestation is hard, I am very well aware of it, but you don't just turn around and flush a baby down the toilet. It's horrible. But as we all know, sometimes life is hard. It's not an excuse for abhorent behavior.

Will you be the first person in this thread condemning her to tell us what she should have done instead?

[Anonymous]

Lots of speculation and theories in favor of the flusher, we don't the whole story, what is her defense? Is it bills, payment concerns, was she intoxicated, scared, ignorance? No one was there and that's why we have a trial to find out and ensure justice is served. She can also sue the hospital if needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of speculation and theories in favor of the flusher, we don't the whole story, what is her defense? Is it bills, payment concerns, was she intoxicated, scared, ignorance? No one was there and that's why we have a trial to find out and ensure justice is served. She can also sue the hospital if needed.

What justice? Why are you hell bent on punishing a poor woman who gave birth alone to a dead fetus? Just because you think she should have stuck her hand into a toilet full of blood and god knows what else to find it and then do what with it? Because she did what many others would have done and probably have done which is to reach out and flush the horror scene down the drain? What societal good does it do to incarcerate someone like that instead of offering her help? Why is Ohio spending the money on prosecution instead of fetal maternal health? Or education? Or just helping those who don’t have health insurance. Or have other needs. It doesn’t do anyone good to try to send this woman to jail.

“She can just sue the hospital”. WTF. Do you know what kind of resources it takes to sue a huge organization?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of speculation and theories in favor of the flusher, we don't the whole story, what is her defense? Is it bills, payment concerns, was she intoxicated, scared, ignorance? No one was there and that's why we have a trial to find out and ensure justice is served. She can also sue the hospital if needed.

Her defense is that it is not a crime to dispose of a fetus. Women flush fetuses all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of speculation and theories in favor of the flusher, we don't the whole story, what is her defense? Is it bills, payment concerns, was she intoxicated, scared, ignorance? No one was there and that's why we have a trial to find out and ensure justice is served. She can also sue the hospital if needed.

Her defense is that it is not a crime to dispose of a fetus. Women flush fetuses all the time.

No the defense is that it was a miscarriage not a still born. The prosecution has not proved the fetus was 22 weeks. If the fetus is < 22 weeks it is a miscarriage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of speculation and theories in favor of the flusher, we don't the whole story, what is her defense? Is it bills, payment concerns, was she intoxicated, scared, ignorance? No one was there and that's why we have a trial to find out and ensure justice is served. She can also sue the hospital if needed.

Her defense is that it is not a crime to dispose of a fetus. Women flush fetuses all the time.

The only difference between women who flush fetuses and don’t get charged with a crime and this woman is that her dead fetus was large enough to get lodged in the toilet, requiring the toilet to be dismantled to retrieve the fetus. Ohio law had better be incredibly specific about what you can flush. Had she miscarried this fetus 8 weeks earlier and successfully flushed it, there would be no crime. If Ohio doesn’t define exactly when it becomes a crime, she shouldn’t be convicted of anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of speculation and theories in favor of the flusher, we don't the whole story, what is her defense? Is it bills, payment concerns, was she intoxicated, scared, ignorance? No one was there and that's why we have a trial to find out and ensure justice is served. She can also sue the hospital if needed.

If abortion wasn’t banned, they wouldn’t have sent her home from the hospital. They would have performed an abortion. Because Ohio lawmakers want to punish women for having sex, she was denied necessary treatment, and is now being prosecuted for dealing with it on her own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being the paramedics called to reapond if the woman had told them I just miscarried into the toilet — the fetal remains are there for you. I do not think any paramedic would have been happy to fish those out. It is really unclear to me what they expect you to do here. I had a d and c for my miscarriage (because my doctor, while a practicing Catholic, is not an insane sadist) and I still had clots the size of golf balls coming out. It’s all gross.

Not my problem. They can call the cops who can call a cororner or undertaker or whatever they do.

But I agree, we ought to start calling them more and let them "fish those out".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m realizing there are people who think she had the miscarriage somewhere in the house and then moved it to the toilet. They don’t understand that she was sitting on the toilet when she expelled the remains.

*And* there was probably so much blood and fecal matter in the toilet that she likely couldn’t even see the fetus.

All these arm-chair Aunt Lydias with no idea of what this would have been like (after getting turned away from the hospital TWICE) and no empathy are awful.

I know exactly what it's like. It is very easy to see a 20-week baby. I held mine.

Were you in a hospital?
Who cleaned the baby up and swaddled her for you to hold? A nurse?
Or did you fish it out of the toilet yourself?