Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

She already went to the hospital and they sent her home, what is an ambulance gonna do?

Monetarily punish her further for her failure to bring a healthy fetus to term to present to the world. Duh. She doesn’t figure into any of this for the forced birthers; they just want their misogynistic agenda accomplished and after the shellacking they got at the polls, they’re just going to do whatever they want.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI for all those upset about the toilet part -- in 2019, Ohio also charged a 20-year-old woman for having a still birth and burying it..

Pro choice here, just read the story and I do think this needed to be investigated. It was a full term fetus and the mother made some statements that indicated it *might have been born alive. It's not really the same as a miscarriage.

But sure it does raise the specter that you better not bury anything you expel from your womb in the backyard either.

I guess the only thing to do in a red state - even after you've been turned away from the hospital, is to fish your miscarriage out of the toilet and call 911. And don't make any statements FFS!

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Anonymous wrote:FYI for all those upset about the toilet part -- in 2019, Ohio also charged a 20-year-old woman for having a still birth and burying it..

Pro choice here, just read the story and I do think this needed to be investigated. It was a full term fetus and the mother made some statements that indicated it *might have been born alive. It's not really the same as a miscarriage.

But sure it does raise the specter that you better not bury anything you expel from your womb in the backyard either.

I guess the only thing to do in a red state - even after you've been turned away from the hospital, is to fish your miscarriage out of the toilet and call 911. And don't make any statements FFS!

32 weeks is full term, not 20 weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI for all those upset about the toilet part -- in 2019, Ohio also charged a 20-year-old woman for having a still birth and burying it..

Pro choice here, just read the story and I do think this needed to be investigated. It was a full term fetus and the mother made some statements that indicated it *might have been born alive. It's not really the same as a miscarriage.

But sure it does raise the specter that you better not bury anything you expel from your womb in the backyard either.

I guess the only thing to do in a red state - even after you've been turned away from the hospital, is to fish your miscarriage out of the toilet and call 911. And don't make any statements FFS!

Are you talking about the lady who was just charged? Because 20-22 weeks is nowhere near term.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI for all those upset about the toilet part -- in 2019, Ohio also charged a 20-year-old woman for having a still birth and burying it..

Pro choice here, just read the story and I do think this needed to be investigated. It was a full term fetus and the mother made some statements that indicated it *might have been born alive. It's not really the same as a miscarriage.

But sure it does raise the specter that you better not bury anything you expel from your womb in the backyard either.

I guess the only thing to do in a red state - even after you've been turned away from the hospital, is to fish your miscarriage out of the toilet and call 911. And don't make any statements FFS!

Are you talking about the lady who was just charged? Because 20-22 weeks is nowhere near term.

oooh, I missed that part, sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Have you ever lost a pregnancy? It’s a lot of blood. Tissue is minimal.

Early on, yes. Not at 22 weeks.

What about 19? How do you know what size it was, did you see it yourself?

It would be legal at 20 weeks which is why the prosecutor chose 22 weeks. They have no proof of the age of the clump of cells.

19 weeks totally legal.

Also, the fetus was not developing normally so even if it was "predicted to be 22 weeks" it might not be gestationally.

Great point, they should end the gestation point at the first time she was told it was not viable

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Not true.

By 16+ weeks, you’re talking about a fetus that is avocado-sized or larger. Miscarriages happen regularly. Plumbers aren’t regularly extracting 16-22 week fetuses from clogged residential toilets.

I was told to bring the remains in when I had my exam.

I wasn’t.

I wasn't either, but I did, and they were like, "Why did you bring this?" They fully expected me to dispose of it on my own and suggested I do so. I insisted that they take it because I just couldn't deal with it. FYI, often when there is a loss like this at any stage, what comes out is not and does not look like a human baby, which is why it was lost in the first place. TMI: Mine was a big lump of nothing and kind of looked like a red chicken tender. Not everything that sounds like it has a heartbeat develops into a human or even a human-like form.

I’m very sorry for your loss and the fact that a medical professional pushed back on disposing of the tissue for you. What better place to dispose of human tissue than a hospital???

Thank you for sharing the intimate details of your loss. It must be painful to type a graphic description, but it’s so important to inform people who haven’t experienced this because they just have no idea.

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This is the epitome of sexism and emotional abuse. What exactly was she supposed to do if the hospital sent her home? Did they tell her what to do with it? You can't bury, flush it, or throw it in the garbage lest someone find it. The case should be dropped and whoever brought the case should be ashamed of themselves and apologize to her. It's one thing to investigate it, but it's another to publicly embarrass and criminalize her.

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At least 25,000 rape kits remain untested in this country, but we have the money to launch an investigation into THIS?

Man this country hates women.

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Can you imagine being the paramedics called to reapond if the woman had told them I just miscarried into the toilet — the fetal remains are there for you. I do not think any paramedic would have been happy to fish those out. It is really unclear to me what they expect you to do here. I had a d and c for my miscarriage (because my doctor, while a practicing Catholic, is not an insane sadist) and I still had clots the size of golf balls coming out. It’s all gross.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m realizing there are people who think she had the miscarriage somewhere in the house and then moved it to the toilet. They don’t understand that she was sitting on the toilet when she expelled the remains.

*And* there was probably so much blood and fecal matter in the toilet that she likely couldn’t even see the fetus.

All these arm-chair Aunt Lydias with no idea of what this would have been like (after getting turned away from the hospital TWICE) and no empathy are awful.

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Anonymous wrote:“ it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri.

What a colossal d***. It wasn't "put" in a toilet. It was almost certainly delivered there, because many, many, many, many miscarriages happen that way. And then the toilet is a bloody, s*****y mess, and there may well be a placenta in htere, too, and the woman has lost blood, and doesn't have all the medical supplies that a hospital does, and isn't trained on how to dispose of this, and is probably in shock and confused. And for this, some d***w*d who probably failed HS biology thinks she should go to jail.

I just had the giant lightbulb that this guy literally thinks this woman somehow gave birth on a bed or something, and moved the fetus to the toilet. He has no idea she was sitting on there while her body expelled anything and everything through this process. This is horrifying.

Wow, yeah, that's horrifying to realize.

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Why are lawmakers so crazy in Ohio? This is the same state where a bill was introduced in 2019 that would require doctors to take an ectopic pregnancy and reimplant it inside the uterus, or face charges. This, of course, is not medically possible.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI for all those upset about the toilet part -- in 2019, Ohio also charged a 20-year-old woman for having a still birth and burying it..

Pro choice here, just read the story and I do think this needed to be investigated. It was a full term fetus and the mother made some statements that indicated it *might have been born alive. It's not really the same as a miscarriage.

But sure it does raise the specter that you better not bury anything you expel from your womb in the backyard either.

I guess the only thing to do in a red state - even after you've been turned away from the hospital, is to fish your miscarriage out of the toilet and call 911. And don't make any statements FFS!

32 weeks is full term, not 20 weeks.

I think pp meant the 2019 case, which was full-term.

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

Even with insurance, ambulance rides can be $$$$$.

True, and we have no idea what charges this women may have been billed for previously— since she had already gone to the hospital twice before .

So at 33 years old, she is not capable of dealing with some medical bills, so instead tried to flush her baby down the toilet. To the PP upthread, it has been well established that at 20 weeks of gestation and beyond, it is far more than a clump of cells. This was not a teenager. This was a grown up 33-year-old woman. Yes, delivering at that gestation is hard, I am very well aware of it, but you don't just turn around and flush a baby down the toilet. It's horrible. But as we all know, sometimes life is hard. It's not an excuse for abhorent behavior.