Billionaire heiress abducted during her Friday morning run in Memphis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Is it hate or just unkind (and unvarnished) idle musings?

We live in an aspirational society. We are fascinated that someone coming from such privilege and advantage can make a series of decisions that leads to this outcome (as a victim, yes, in this final act).

As for the perp, what is there to say. The conversation around him deals with weighty topics that are fraught and for which we have not been able to make progress on as a society for decades. For every vile piece of subhuman trash is someone who made a mistake and deserves a chance at rehabilitation. Good luck sorting it out.

The only “series of decisions” she made that have anything at all to do with her kidnapping is choosing a risky time and location to go for a run. Her marriage, husband, professional life, family, have absolutely nothing to do with this case- as of now. It seems pretty clear she was in the wrong place at the wrong time and a criminal just out of jail, that has done with before, found her. I don’t get all the speculation

Her husband was home. Didn’t he call the police when she didn’t return from her “usual” 4am run? He apparently thought it was a kosher routine in a decaying city full of convicts, dope addicts, and psychopathic criminals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.

Her family has political muscle, clearly. Old money rich white dynasty families like this actually run every town in the South, not the nitwit public face pawns you see in positions of power. If the old money muscle doesn’t care about their police departments, mayors, prosecutors, judges, and local parole boards being soft* on violent criminals, apathy from outsiders is to be expected when low IQ criminals do what they do.

being soft* on violent criminals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

Most sensible adults would agree a woman shouldn’t run solo even in Bethesda. But feminist wackos on here want to pretend it’s kosher for a woman to run solo around one of the most violent and unpredictable places in America before dawn.

[Anonymous]

No one has said anyone deserves death. No one. Yes, some choices are safer than others. That is a fact. Why do you think colleges and universities advise students to have a "buddy?" Why do you think people have protective dogs? Why do you tjink some shopping centers have armed police in the parking lot? If you want to be out alone in the dark with no partner or other protection and feel safe doing it, then go ahead.

No, of course nobody said that, but they did say, ad nauseam, that she shouldn't have been out running early, alone, in running clothes. The implication is she has no one to blame but herself, she brought this on herself.

Except plenty of women DO run alone in the early morning and do so safely. The only person to critique here is the attacker. Sure, police and universities love to talk about the buddy system and avoiding going out at night alone, but that's only because shaming women's choices and making us feel responsible for what others choose to do to us is far easier than address the issue of violence against women by men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Is it hate or just unkind (and unvarnished) idle musings?

We live in an aspirational society. We are fascinated that someone coming from such privilege and advantage can make a series of decisions that leads to this outcome (as a victim, yes, in this final act).

As for the perp, what is there to say. The conversation around him deals with weighty topics that are fraught and for which we have not been able to make progress on as a society for decades. For every vile piece of subhuman trash is someone who made a mistake and deserves a chance at rehabilitation. Good luck sorting it out.

The only “series of decisions” she made that have anything at all to do with her kidnapping is choosing a risky time and location to go for a run. Her marriage, husband, professional life, family, have absolutely nothing to do with this case- as of now. It seems pretty clear she was in the wrong place at the wrong time and a criminal just out of jail, that has done with before, found her. I don’t get all the speculation

Disagree. Her choice of spouse eight years ago is at the top. Followed by buying a home in 300 homicides a year Memphis when she had the resources to live anywhere.

[Anonymous]

It’s easy to become complacent about, especially if you’ve lived somewhere a long time. Eliza grew up in Memphis. I’m sure crime has worsened over the years. I sometimes take my daily walk after dark—especially in the winter when daylight hours are reduced. It’s similar to the boiling frog analogy. I’m experiencing the same thing in my own neighborhood. I’ve been safe here for years and tend to discount the increase in crime. I’m using this example to recalibrate my safety awareness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people are also missing the point if she was black of similar background and a runner, we would never hear word one about this! Think of all the ugly black children that get abducted and never make the news while the whole country is still talking about a dead cute blonde beauty pageant girl DECADES later.

Yep. Especially in a town with apathetic police, see Chinatown. Note the narrative quickly established she was an accomplished marathon runner. While cops would assume a poor woman out at this hour was a drug addict or prostitute. And the local media would suppress the story for fear it would spook prospective university students.

And who do local news outlets take their orders from in deciding what to bury? The local chamber of commerce and fat cat businessmen ad buyers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No one has said anyone deserves death. No one. Yes, some choices are safer than others. That is a fact. Why do you think colleges and universities advise students to have a "buddy?" Why do you think people have protective dogs? Why do you tjink some shopping centers have armed police in the parking lot? If you want to be out alone in the dark with no partner or other protection and feel safe doing it, then go ahead.

No, of course nobody said that, but they did say, ad nauseam, that she shouldn't have been out running early, alone, in running clothes. The implication is she has no one to blame but herself, she brought this on herself.

Except plenty of women DO run alone in the early morning and do so safely. The only person to critique here is the attacker. Sure, police and universities love to talk about the buddy system and avoiding going out at night alone, but that's only because shaming women's choices and making us feel responsible for what others choose to do to us is far easier than address the issue of violence against women by men.

PP here. I'm going to bet I'm a lot older than you and likely more conservative in my thinking about safety. I do walk almost every day (used to jog) in a large city. I would never do it alone in the dark, and I stick to trails and paths with lots of other people. I also have a large dog.

[Anonymous]

P here. I'm going to bet I'm a lot older than you and likely more conservative in my thinking about safety. I do walk almost every day (used to jog) in a large city. I would never do it alone in the dark, and I stick to trails and paths with lots of other people. I also have a large dog.

Funnily enough, I'm 50 and more conservative in my walking choices than you, by a long shot. But I am not going to blame a victim for their choices about their safety. We are all doing the best we can with what we know and the only person to blame is the person who commits the crime.

[Anonymous]

There was a woman and her large dog, pitbull I believe it was not long ago in ATL. I think you can’t ever be safe for sure animal with you or not nor defense weapon. It’s all chance and happenstance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

P here. I'm going to bet I'm a lot older than you and likely more conservative in my thinking about safety. I do walk almost every day (used to jog) in a large city. I would never do it alone in the dark, and I stick to trails and paths with lots of other people. I also have a large dog.

Funnily enough, I'm 50 and more conservative in my walking choices than you, by a long shot. But I am not going to blame a victim for their choices about their safety. We are all doing the best we can with what we know and the only person to blame is the person who commits the crime.

PP here. We probably have a lot in common. I totally agree that blame should not be assigned to this young woman or anyone who is an innocent victim. I just think it's a scary world out there and honestly wouldnt even walk in my neighborhood (considered a pretty safe one) in the dark. I'm too afraid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s easy to become complacent about, especially if you’ve lived somewhere a long time. Eliza grew up in Memphis. I’m sure crime has worsened over the years. I sometimes take my daily walk after dark—especially in the winter when daylight hours are reduced. It’s similar to the boiling frog analogy. I’m experiencing the same thing in my own neighborhood. I’ve been safe here for years and tend to discount the increase in crime. I’m using this example to recalibrate my safety awareness.

Good point.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a woman and her large dog, pitbull I believe it was not long ago in ATL. I think you can’t ever be safe for sure animal with you or not nor defense weapon. It’s all chance and happenstance.

In one of the family photos online, it does look like they own a large dog. Possibly a grey pit bull?