Missionaries should be banned

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

[Anonymous]

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When I was a Peace Corps volunteer, I saw how a group made people pray and read literature before feeding them. It was just wrong. They needed the food and were forced into doing something against their traditional practices in order to get it.

This is so unethical.

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Anonymous wrote:How about this:
-All missionaries are motivated to serve for religion reasons, varies by religion and individual.
-Some missionaries proselytize with deeds.
-Some missionaries proselytize with words.
-It's unethical to proselytize during vulnerable moments.

Anyone disagree?

Are you op? What country are you originally from? What negative impact did you see missionaries having in your country?

DP. I’d like to see answers to these questions too. What is pp’s skin in the game here?

probably the same poster who makes up scenarios about Christian proselytizing and then never answers questions about the situations.

there’s consistent posts here that follow the same pattern:

a poster posts about a situation that complains about Christian proselytizing and then when other people comment, they give vague answers or just disappear.

notice op won’t give the name of the country they are from, or answer what they saw in their country about this issue.

also posts about relatives or caregivers “proselytizing” her as a kid, and she never answers why her parents didn’t protect her from such people.

You seem to be confusing at least three different posters.

Is this a common problem for you? Confusing multiple posters? There are lots of people on the interwebs.

DP. Seems like it’s just you, over and over again.

That doesn’t matter though. You’re obviously just tossing out ad hominems in a transparent attempt to deflect from answering the questions yourself.

Go ahead, answer the questions for yourself! Instead of deflecting with ad hominems, you’re a perfect candidate for answering these questions. Are you waiting for the other 2 mythical posters like you to answer? What are you waiting for?

I haven't deflected with any ad hominens. You are confusing posters. Seems to be a common issue on here.

Your ad hominems in bold. Hope that helps.

Care to answer the questions now?

I asked questions about PP’s posting habits. Not a personal attack.

Which questions? I’ll answer - again - if you answer mine:

Agree or disagree?
-All missionaries are motivated to serve for religion reasons, varies by religion and individual.
-Some missionaries proselytize with deeds.
-Some missionaries proselytize with words.
-It's unethical to proselytize during vulnerable moments.

Well?

[Anonymous]

I guess ya'll don't want to see Salvation Army bell ringers on the corner at Christmas.

I always donate heavily to the Salvation Army as they have free long term (6 month) alcohol rehab programs.

This was the only rehab that ever worked for my brother.

The secular ones that cost money did not work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so. You can stay home and comfy and make excuses.

[Anonymous]

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When I was a Peace Corps volunteer, I saw how a group made people pray and read literature before feeding them. It was just wrong. They needed the food and were forced into doing something against their traditional practices in order to get it.

This is so unethical.

What country was this taking place and what time frame?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so. You can stay home and comfy and make excuses.

I feel comfortable with my current contributions, thanks.

So would missionaries still volunteer if only secular options were available?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so. You can stay home and comfy and make excuses.

I feel comfortable with my current contributions, thanks.

So would missionaries still volunteer if only secular options were available?

Yeah, other people are doing the hard stuff. While you whine.

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Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so. You can stay home and comfy and make excuses.

I feel comfortable with my current contributions, thanks.

So would missionaries still volunteer if only secular options were available?

Yeah, other people are doing the hard stuff. While you whine.

But would they do the hard stuff if they didn't have strings attached?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so. You can stay home and comfy and make excuses.

I feel comfortable with my current contributions, thanks.

So would missionaries still volunteer if only secular options were available?

Yeah, other people are doing the hard stuff. While you whine.

But would they do the hard stuff if they didn't have strings attached?

your posts show it’s extremely hard to be a missionary, so hard you cannot do it.

no one here has shown that any missionaries withhold or deny food or medical care or any type of aid based on religious status. There are no strings.

Mission work is hard. My worst experience was working with Kurdish people in Northern Iraq while Saddam was still in power. The living conditions were brutal. A few days after we left the camp we had been working in, Iraqi forces killed most if not all of the people on that camp. It was heartbreaking. People like you should really be quiet and know their own limitations, and keep whining to a minimum.

[Anonymous]

Tying preaching to any kind of humanitarian aid should be banned. If you can't help without preaching then stay home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so. You can stay home and comfy and make excuses.

I feel comfortable with my current contributions, thanks.

So would missionaries still volunteer if only secular options were available?

Yeah, other people are doing the hard stuff. While you whine.

But would they do the hard stuff if they didn't have strings attached?

your posts show it’s extremely hard to be a missionary, so hard you cannot do it.

no one here has shown that any missionaries withhold or deny food or medical care or any type of aid based on religious status. There are no strings.

Mission work is hard. My worst experience was working with Kurdish people in Northern Iraq while Saddam was still in power. The living conditions were brutal. A few days after we left the camp we had been working in, Iraqi forces killed most if not all of the people on that camp. It was heartbreaking. People like you should really be quiet and know their own limitations, and keep whining to a minimum.

It would certainly be easier if I didn't have little kids.

The "strings" are being allowed to proselytize. Those who will only go as part of a religious organization to earn heaven points.

Were you legally doing missionary work in Iraq? Did your presence draw in the Iraqi forces? How much were you really "helping" them?

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Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so. You can stay home and comfy and make excuses.

I feel comfortable with my current contributions, thanks.

So would missionaries still volunteer if only secular options were available?

Yeah, other people are doing the hard stuff. While you whine.

But would they do the hard stuff if they didn't have strings attached?

your posts show it’s extremely hard to be a missionary, so hard you cannot do it.

no one here has shown that any missionaries withhold or deny food or medical care or any type of aid based on religious status. There are no strings.

Mission work is hard. My worst experience was working with Kurdish people in Northern Iraq while Saddam was still in power. The living conditions were brutal. A few days after we left the camp we had been working in, Iraqi forces killed most if not all of the people on that camp. It was heartbreaking. People like you should really be quiet and know their own limitations, and keep whining to a minimum.

It would certainly be easier if I didn't have little kids.

The "strings" are being allowed to proselytize. Those who will only go as part of a religious organization to earn heaven points.

Were you legally doing missionary work in Iraq? Did your presence draw in the Iraqi forces? How much were you really "helping" them?

you are incredibly cruel and I have to say, a very ignorant person. Something is not right. People cannot be so casually cruel that they deny desperate people help and aid, especially while they openly admit to not helping.

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Anonymous wrote:Tying preaching to any kind of humanitarian aid should be banned. If you can't help without preaching then stay home.

Like you! Staying home is your favorite!

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Anonymous wrote:op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? (You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP.
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again.
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences.
- I donate globally and volunteer locally.
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid.
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization.
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions.
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance.
- I think killing is bad.
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk.
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.


And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so. You can stay home and comfy and make excuses.

I feel comfortable with my current contributions, thanks.

So would missionaries still volunteer if only secular options were available?

Yeah, other people are doing the hard stuff. While you whine.

But would they do the hard stuff if they didn't have strings attached?

your posts show it’s extremely hard to be a missionary, so hard you cannot do it.

no one here has shown that any missionaries withhold or deny food or medical care or any type of aid based on religious status. There are no strings.

Mission work is hard. My worst experience was working with Kurdish people in Northern Iraq while Saddam was still in power. The living conditions were brutal. A few days after we left the camp we had been working in, Iraqi forces killed most if not all of the people on that camp. It was heartbreaking. People like you should really be quiet and know their own limitations, and keep whining to a minimum.

It would certainly be easier if I didn't have little kids.

The "strings" are being allowed to proselytize. Those who will only go as part of a religious organization to earn heaven points.

Were you legally doing missionary work in Iraq? Did your presence draw in the Iraqi forces? How much were you really "helping" them?

you are incredibly cruel and I have to say, a very ignorant person. Something is not right. People cannot be so casually cruel that they deny desperate people help and aid, especially while they openly admit to not helping.

I help. But I don't illegally go to other countries to "help". And I don't have ulterior motives. Did those people even want missionaries there?

And for the 1,000,000th time, I don't want to deny aid. Just separate it from religious objectives.