FCPS paying for Critical Race Theory curriculum. To be implemented in a year

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

Why can’t they do both? You can say that Jefferson was a rapist and a slave owner and still say he wrote foundational documents, it just gives greater context that when he wrote “all men are created equal” he certainly didn’t mean it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You speak more like a White Supremacist to me, than a patriot. This country we live in is has room for improvement and that’s what some of us would like to do. We should start by acknowledging the truth and if some of us don’t like a historical figure because of his actions or what he represented, that is our right. We should not pretend a person was something they weren’t and teach that to our kids.

And it's the right of others to expect American schools to teach students about the skills and intelligence of those who were essential to the independence of this country and its founding principles, and not defer to those who'd focus only on their flaws and/or claim that somehow only slaves built the country.

Why can’t they do both? You can say that Jefferson was a rapist and a slave owner and still say he wrote foundational documents, it just gives greater context that when he wrote “all men are created equal” he certainly didn’t mean it.

He meant it. He also wrote "As it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is on one scale, and self-preservation in the other."

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He meant what he wrote, but had a different view of which people were deserving of inalienable rights than we have today.

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Jefferson wrote a denunciation of the institution of slavery for the Declaration:

"[H]e [the king of Britain] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it’s most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither.

This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another."

It was cut out of the document by the other Founding Fathers.

In a 1770 Virginia court case, Jefferson declared: "Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving and using it as his own. This is what is called personal liberty, and is given him by the author of nature, because necessary for his own sustenance."

Thomas Jefferson regarded slaves as "human" and as "men." As such, they were most certainly included in the thought behind the scope of his words "all men are created equal."

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Anonymous wrote:PhD here agin, and guess what? Any criticisms of critical race theory are by definition a critical race theory. Because you are engaging with theories of race in a critical way. Hence, critical theory.

“Banning” critical race theory is nonsensical unless you are banning any discussion of race whatsoever. There is room within critical race theory for criticisms because it’s CRITICAL theory.

And this is the academic circular logic that is intentional. That you have a PhD means nothing. So do lots of other people so the appeal to authority doesn’t work. You have no authority anymore based on you degree. If it does not resonate with the public, it isn’t because the public doesn’t get it. It is because you are isolated, out of step, and wrong. It is a framework that people will not accept…because it is not acceptable. The purposeful reflection…sure. The shaming…nope. People accept the reflection, but not the solutions that you are pushing. But keep reading your Gramshi and F off. Your frame is divisive and no longer helpful. Emperor of this ideology…naked as hell….and it is seen. You can ignore what you want, but academics have as much credibility as Congress and the press right now. None.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a even a crazy liberal. I guess you could call me a center left if that? Anyway, CRT doesn't scare me. what scares me is the obvious right wing trolling that has permeated DCUM recently and now even the school forums.

There has been a lot lately.

Okay. I was wondering if it was just me. It feels like DCUM has been taken over by crazy right-wingers. I've been gone for a while though so don't necessarily remember what it was like a year ago

HA!!!! Really?? Crazy RW in Northern VA, DC, and MD. Really??? Disagree = this baloney label. Your slip is showing Chuckles.

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Anonymous wrote:PhD here agin, and guess what? Any criticisms of critical race theory are by definition a critical race theory. Because you are engaging with theories of race in a critical way. Hence, critical theory.

“Banning” critical race theory is nonsensical unless you are banning any discussion of race whatsoever. There is room within critical race theory for criticisms because it’s CRITICAL theory.

Frankly I’m fine with that. In a colorblind society that we are all striving for, race is an irrelevant topic.

We’re not striving for a colorblind society.

Actually we are. That was Dr Kings dream, and it stands as a goal today.

I have a dream. It was about character…not skin color.

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Anonymous wrote:He meant what he wrote, but had a different view of which people were deserving of inalienable rights than we have today.

Who knows what he meant when he wrote that, but that’s certainly not the way he personally lived his own life. Was he living a lie? Don’t we want to lie about who the man was?
Rape and pedophilia was a regular part of his personal life. That is what the real Thomas Jefferson was about and let’s own that.

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Anonymous wrote:He meant what he wrote, but had a different view of which people were deserving of inalienable rights than we have today.

Who knows what he meant when he wrote that, but that’s certainly not the way he personally lived his own life. Was he living a lie? Don’t we want to lie about who the man was?
Rape and pedophilia was a regular part of his personal life. That is what the real Thomas Jefferson was about and let’s own that.

This. And we can be honest about those things while also saying that his writings are at odds with his way of life and what does that tell us about him as a person? That sounds like exactly the kind of discussion I would *want* my daughter to have in school, I don’t want her to be uncritical about any part of history, why would the founders be different?

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Anonymous wrote:He meant what he wrote, but had a different view of which people were deserving of inalienable rights than we have today.

Who knows what he meant when he wrote that, but that’s certainly not the way he personally lived his own life. Was he living a lie? Don’t we want to lie about who the man was?
Rape and pedophilia was a regular part of his personal life. That is what the real Thomas Jefferson was about and let’s own that.

No, you can do a lot better with your scholarship. Do at least two seconds of googling. Or more. Learn about Jefferson. Then you won't argue from ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:I am still in disbelief that there are people in this country who feel it is still appropriate to give the long-running version of country that is solely from the white perspective. That gives a version of all of the wonderful things our white forebears did, gave us, provided, etc. This is a lie.

Yes, there were many wonderful things. But that was often on the backs, and using the lash or discrimination, of POC and other minority groups. Not to mention the treatment of women of all color. Of course, there were also wonderful things/contributions of whites but there were also those of POC, women, and other minorities. Those stories are rarely told (how old were you when you learned of the Tulsa massacre, to bring up something current? I was 47). The full picture of our founders -and forward- are also rarely given. Thomas Jefferson is only the most glaring example of that.

It should be told. All of it. The current state of history should include it all and not be relegated to "ethnic studies", "african studies" or "womens studies" classes. Including it -in age appropriate ways- is historically accurate, fair, and the absolute right thing to do.

I question the motives, integrity, and intelligence of anyone who disagrees with this.
(PS- I'm white).

PS- good for you

When you have nothing constructive to say . . Hit a little close to home, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You’re not. You only cloak yourself in a singular version of “patriotism.” The only thing I’m tired of is people like you who can’t handle - and whine, engage in hysterics, and moan- over an accurate depiction of history. You’re ignorant and willfully so. And I’ll stay right here to remind you of what a small person you are. And if you read the post, I said to acknowledge the good (of TJ and others) but not at the expense of ignoring the bad and the contributions of other overlooked Americans. I’m willing to acknowledge both. You’re not. Which makes you dishonest at worst and ignorant at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You’re not. You only cloak yourself in a singular version of “patriotism.” The only thing I’m tired of is people like you who can’t handle - and whine, engage in hysterics, and moan- over an accurate depiction of history. You’re ignorant and willfully so. And I’ll stay right here to remind you of what a small person you are. And if you read the post, I said to acknowledge the good (of TJ and others) but not at the expense of ignoring the bad and the contributions of other overlooked Americans. I’m willing to acknowledge both. You’re not. Which makes you dishonest at worst and ignorant at best.

DP. You sound ignorant and uneducated. You don't seem to know much of anything about Jefferson, what he wrote, what he believed, or the time that he lived. You are not advocating for an accurate depiction of history at all.

But you can call others names, without doing any research at all about your subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 49 other states and tons of other countries that will let you in. Go find your people and stop living off the fruits of the white supremacists you hate.

No, white supremacists are the ones living off the fruits of others and you are only trying to confuse us otherwise.

Disagree. People are people with similar needs and wants. The government and corporations are just a group of people in power at any given time. They are not worse or better as a whole than any given victim in America. They are a reflection of ourselves and our wants and needs. The US Constitution is the longest running constitution in the world for a reason which was based off of Jefferson's call for freedom and Madison's understanding of law mainly backed by various European laws over time. Venezuela has your name on it I guess if you think the whites are so terrible here.

You're quite the patriot, aren't you? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the idea that in America, at least for the time being, one need not move/leave to offer a critical opinion of it or its' government. That just proves your ignorance and that you shouldn't be lecturing anyone on what it is to be American.

Yes, I am a proud patriot. You must just get tired of fighting so much internally is all. Why live in a country you despise? It's like clinging to a religion you don't believe in. I happen to be happy in America, happy about parts of our history. Unhappy about other parts and yes those should be worked on to bring everyone into a more equal fold. Critical Race Theory is not the way because it's a reactive method rather than a proactive method. I still feel that it's the best hope for democracy in the world. I think cultures have some interesting aspects and lessons such as eating in France, but don't think France has a better government. I don't think Venezuela has a better government. I don't even think Finland has a better government. I believe in a republic as best governance. I have traveled the world to other white majority countries and other countries where there were very few whites and just see people who set up governments differently and then react to them but with all the same basic needs. Victimizing people does not work in the long run because it doesn't create a sense of agency in people to actually make a democracy. Democracy is hard work on the individual and cooperatively. The idea that somehow these people were wonderful human beings in other countries but then when arriving in America they became horrible is just a fantasy. America was a land of opportunity and still is under the current form of government. It has its issues, but so does any country. America has survived because it has a lot of strengths and it has attracted a wide variety of people because of those strengths. All brought out by Jefferson. I'm sorry, but you can't say people want to come here for the ideals of American and somehow say that Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He had a dream for humanity and humanity across the world responded.

We all have personal demons. I still don't get why the document and his contributions to America can't also be honored. We will have to disagree I guess. I can't keep arguing the same points.

You’re not. You only cloak yourself in a singular version of “patriotism.” The only thing I’m tired of is people like you who can’t handle - and whine, engage in hysterics, and moan- over an accurate depiction of history. You’re ignorant and willfully so. And I’ll stay right here to remind you of what a small person you are. And if you read the post, I said to acknowledge the good (of TJ and others) but not at the expense of ignoring the bad and the contributions of other overlooked Americans. I’m willing to acknowledge both. You’re not. Which makes you dishonest at worst and ignorant at best.

DP. You sound ignorant and uneducated. You don't seem to know much of anything about Jefferson, what he wrote, what he believed, or the time that he lived. You are not advocating for an accurate depiction of history at all.

But you can call others names, without doing any research at all about your subject.

Pretty much. PP's depth starts and stops at name calling. We've definitely seen through their surface deep posts.