To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?

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Anonymous wrote:The best list was created when we reached a consensus (god, I don’t know how that happened considering the barbarism on this thread) on the “What are the top 10 universities in the USA” thread.

The thread covered virtually every argument you can make for and against a school. So here’s a link if you want to look at it before saying the same thing here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/450/976040.page

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern

I can live with this as the Elite list but it is an imperfect list. Not sure why Cornell and JHU are not included in the overall category. I also believe Amherst, Williams, Swathmore, Pomona, Harvey Mudd should be considered for elite status. UCLA, Michigan and UVA just miss the cut.

Undergraduate:

Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley, top LACs

Overall:

Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern Cornell JHU

Undergraduate Elites:
Harvard Stanford MIT Yale Princeton
Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern
Dartmouth Brown
Cornell JHU
Berkeley
Amherst Williams Swathmore Pomona, Harvey Mudd

Overall Elites:
Harvard
Stanford MIT Yale
Columbia Princeton
Penn Chicago
Berkeley
Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU

At the undergraduate level, I don't see any compelling reason to separate Penn and Chicago from Duke and Northwestern.

Tufts deserves to be on this list

Let’s say it’s in.
Now what?

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It works.. we get
PM SHYT

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Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Correct. All the arguing is really about someone who went to an elite second-tier school trying to burnish their credential by associating it with HYPSM. Put differently, no one who went to HYPSM has anything to gain by the arguments offered here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

I think you nailed it.

Elites:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT

Just missed the cut:
Columbia
UPenn
Caltech
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
Hopkins
Berkeley

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Only true inside the US. Global prestige is a whole different topic.

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Anonymous wrote:Its best ranking is USNWR, which is #28, which is hardly even good.

3,000 colleges, and #28 is "hardly even good"?

Maths! How do they work, anyway?

We're talking about "elite" here. Not just merely "good".

But the quote says "hardly even good". It's a quote. That was what was typed, and responded to.

Words! How do they work, anyway?

Yeah sorry Tufts isn't elite by any definition or stretch of the imagination.

What about "hardly even good"? Is it that?

It's a top 40 school. Be proud of that. No need to get your panties in a twist trying to prove it's elite. It's a futile exercise.

Please read and try and respond to the actual question.

I am not the poster claiming Tufts is elite. I do not know anything about "elite" or why it would even matter. My question was explicitly stated:

Does being ranked #28 qualify as "hardly even good"?

Please answer exactly or not at all. And I am not being coy - I am attempting to point out the ridiculousness of that position from any objective criteria.

Are you just now realizing that these posters are utter imbeciles?

PP here. Point taken, and I guess it makes me even worse.

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Anonymous wrote:WSJ Top 25 Ranking:

1 - Harvard
2 - Stanford
3 - MIT
4 - Yale
5 - Duke
6 - Brown
7 - Caltech
8 - Princeton
9 - Johns Hopkins / Northwestern
11 - Cornell
12 - U of Pennsylvania
13 - Dartmouth
14 - U of Chicago
15 - Vanderbilt
16 - Columbia
17 - Washington U in St. Louis
18 - Rice
19 - USC
20 - Emory
21 - Carnegie Mellon
22 - Amherst
23 - Williams
24 - U of Michigan
25 - Pomona

This seems more correct than US news

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Anonymous wrote:WSJ Top 25 Ranking:

1 - Harvard
2 - Stanford
3 - MIT
4 - Yale
5 - Duke
6 - Brown
7 - Caltech
8 - Princeton
9 - Johns Hopkins / Northwestern
11 - Cornell
12 - U of Pennsylvania
13 - Dartmouth
14 - U of Chicago
15 - Vanderbilt
16 - Columbia
17 - Washington U in St. Louis
18 - Rice
19 - USC
20 - Emory
21 - Carnegie Mellon
22 - Amherst
23 - Williams
24 - U of Michigan
25 - Pomona

This seems more correct than US news

Brown is way too high and Columbia is way too low, but otherwise I'm inclined to agree.

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Anonymous wrote:WSJ Top 25 Ranking:

1 - Harvard
2 - Stanford
3 - MIT
4 - Yale
5 - Duke
6 - Brown
7 - Caltech
8 - Princeton
9 - Johns Hopkins / Northwestern
11 - Cornell
12 - U of Pennsylvania
13 - Dartmouth
14 - U of Chicago
15 - Vanderbilt
16 - Columbia
17 - Washington U in St. Louis
18 - Rice
19 - USC
20 - Emory
21 - Carnegie Mellon
22 - Amherst
23 - Williams
24 - U of Michigan
25 - Pomona

This seems more correct than US news

Brown is way too high and Columbia is way too low, but otherwise I'm inclined to agree.

Agree swap brown and Columbia. This list is better then us news

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National Universities
1. Princeton University (NJ)
2. Harvard University (MA)
3. University of Chicago (IL) (tie)
3. Yale University (CT) (tie)
5. Columbia University (NY) (tie)
5. Stanford University (CA) (tie)
7. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
8. Duke University (NC) (tie)
8. University of Pennsylvania (tie)
10. Johns Hopkins University (MD)
11. Dartmouth College (NH)
12. California Institute of Technology (CA)
12. Northwestern University (IL)
14. Brown University (RI)
15. Cornell University (NY)
15. Rice University (TX)
15. University of Notre Dame (IN)
15. Vanderbilt University (TN)
19. Washington University in St. Louis (MO)
20. Georgetown University (DC)
20. Emory University (GA)
20. University of California--Berkeley (CA)

National Liberal Arts Colleges
Williams College (MA)
Amherst College (MA)
Wellesley College (MA)
Middlebury College (VT) (tie)
Swarthmore College (PA) (tie)
Bowdoin College (ME)
Carleton College (MN) (tie)
Pomona College (CA) (tie)
Claremont McKenna College (CA) (tie)
Davidson College (NC) (tie)

US News gets it right. That’s why its rankings carry the most weight.

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Brown is way too high and Columbia is way too low, but otherwise I'm inclined to agree.

Here's the list of schools (minus Cal Tech, which didn't report) that had less than 10% acceptance last year. Brown's graduate programs are nothing special but people on this forum continually underrate its status as an undergraduate institution. It combines the best aspects of a liberal arts college and a research university.

Columbia- 3.9%
Stanford- 3.9%
Harvard- 4%
MIT- 4.1%
Princeton- 4.4%
Yale- 4.6%
Brown- 5.5%
UPenn 5.9%
Duke- 6%
Dartmouth- 6.2%
U'Chicago- 6.5%
Pomona- 6.5%
Northwestern- 7%
Vanderbilt- 7.1%
Johns Hopkins- 7.4%
Colby- 8%
Swarthmore- 8%
Amherst- 8.5%
Cornell- 8.7%
Bowdoin- 8.8%
Williams- 9%
Rice- 9.5%

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National Universities
1. Princeton University (NJ)
2. Harvard University (MA)
3. University of Chicago (IL) (tie)
3. Yale University (CT) (tie)
5. Columbia University (NY) (tie)
5. Stanford University (CA) (tie)
7. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
8. Duke University (NC) (tie)
8. University of Pennsylvania (tie)
10. Johns Hopkins University (MD)
11. Dartmouth College (NH)
12. California Institute of Technology (CA)
12. Northwestern University (IL)
14. Brown University (RI)
15. Cornell University (NY)
15. Rice University (TX)
15. University of Notre Dame (IN)
15. Vanderbilt University (TN)
19. Washington University in St. Louis (MO)
20. Georgetown University (DC)
20. Emory University (GA)
20. University of California--Berkeley (CA)

National Liberal Arts Colleges
Williams College (MA)
Amherst College (MA)
Wellesley College (MA)
Middlebury College (VT) (tie)
Swarthmore College (PA) (tie)
Bowdoin College (ME)
Carleton College (MN) (tie)
Pomona College (CA) (tie)
Claremont McKenna College (CA) (tie)
Davidson College (NC) (tie)

US News gets it right. That’s why its rankings carry the most weight.

This is like 4 years stale

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National Universities
1. Princeton University (NJ)
2. Harvard University (MA)
3. University of Chicago (IL) (tie)
3. Yale University (CT) (tie)
5. Columbia University (NY) (tie)
5. Stanford University (CA) (tie)
7. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
8. Duke University (NC) (tie)
8. University of Pennsylvania (tie)
10. Johns Hopkins University (MD)
11. Dartmouth College (NH)
12. California Institute of Technology (CA)
12. Northwestern University (IL)
14. Brown University (RI)
15. Cornell University (NY)
15. Rice University (TX)
15. University of Notre Dame (IN)
15. Vanderbilt University (TN)
19. Washington University in St. Louis (MO)
20. Georgetown University (DC)
20. Emory University (GA)
20. University of California--Berkeley (CA)

National Liberal Arts Colleges
Williams College (MA)
Amherst College (MA)
Wellesley College (MA)
Middlebury College (VT) (tie)
Swarthmore College (PA) (tie)
Bowdoin College (ME)
Carleton College (MN) (tie)
Pomona College (CA) (tie)
Claremont McKenna College (CA) (tie)
Davidson College (NC) (tie)

US News gets it right. That’s why its rankings carry the most weight.

This is like 4 years stale

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

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Anonymous wrote:WSJ Top 25 Ranking:

1 - Harvard
2 - Stanford
3 - MIT
4 - Yale
5 - Duke
6 - Brown
7 - Caltech
8 - Princeton
9 - Johns Hopkins / Northwestern
11 - Cornell
12 - U of Pennsylvania
13 - Dartmouth
14 - U of Chicago
15 - Vanderbilt
16 - Columbia
17 - Washington U in St. Louis
18 - Rice
19 - USC
20 - Emory
21 - Carnegie Mellon
22 - Amherst
23 - Williams
24 - U of Michigan
25 - Pomona

This seems more correct than US news

I like this ranking better than US News as well

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

I think you nailed it.

Elites:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT

Just missed the cut:
Columbia
UPenn
Caltech
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
Hopkins
Berkeley

+1

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Imagine thinking only Temple commits this sort of fraud to juke the rankings you nitwits obsess over. Not to mention the rankings became fake after they rammed in socioeconomic and diversity nonsense.