To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

I think you nailed it.

Elites:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT

Just missed the cut:
Columbia
UPenn
Caltech
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
Hopkins
Berkeley

+1

US News dropped Stanford to #6 bc it’s a sports school that gives full scholarships. No “merit” scholarships at elite schools where they have the pick of the best students.

[Anonymous]

I think one of the young Kennedy kids got arrested, maybe while drunk, and was bragging to the cops that she graduated from Brown. I remember laughing at that story because it shows how out of touch and deluded the average selective college graduate is about how the real world perceives their credential. The average cop didn't even go to college (outside of maybe classes at a local community college), you think he recognizes Brown, let alone its status and hyper selectivity? Absolutely not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Only true inside the US. Global prestige is a whole different topic.

Hypsm is not a layman’s terminology. From Wiki on verifiability issues with HYPS, HYPSM, and HYPSMC:

“As things stand, no sources are provided to show any significant widespread use of any of these initialisms. I find it very hard to imagine a guidance counsellor saying "if you want to get into one of the aitch why pee ess em cee schools...." The verifiability policy notes that "The burden of evidence lies with the editors who have made an edit or wish an edit to remain." So far, those editors have declined to do this.”

Hypsm is no more than a DCUM AND CC terminology. It’s a shorthand way insecure DCUM strivers talk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the young Kennedy kids got arrested, maybe while drunk, and was bragging to the cops that she graduated from Brown. I remember laughing at that story because it shows how out of touch and deluded the average selective college graduate is about how the real world perceives their credential. The average cop didn't even go to college (outside of maybe classes at a local community college), you think he recognizes Brown, let alone its status and hyper selectivity? Absolutely not.

You don't think that behavior was more about being a Kennedy than a Brown alum? I know lots of them, and my anecdotal observation is the a-hole percentage is very similar to the general population, and quite a bit lower than this forum.

You also, IMHO, grossly underestimate the intellectual capabilities of police. Over 30% now have 4 year degrees and that number is climbing. Yes, 30% is still not average, but it is going to be soon. 100% of them don't care where you went to school when arresting you, but the idea that they wouldn't know what selective colleges are is a stereotype.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Only true inside the US. Global prestige is a whole different topic.

Hypsm is not a layman’s terminology. From Wiki on verifiability issues with HYPS, HYPSM, and HYPSMC:

“As things stand, no sources are provided to show any significant widespread use of any of these initialisms. I find it very hard to imagine a guidance counsellor saying "if you want to get into one of the aitch why pee ess em cee schools...." The verifiability policy notes that "The burden of evidence lies with the editors who have made an edit or wish an edit to remain." So far, those editors have declined to do this.”

Hypsm is no more than a DCUM AND CC terminology. It’s a shorthand way insecure DCUM strivers talk.

Wrong.

https://strategiesforparents.com/hypsm-meaning-and-significance-to-students/#:~:text=HYPSM%20refers%20to%20Harvard%2C%20Yale,schools'%20rising%20status%20to%20prominence

https://blog.collegevine.com/what-is-hypsm/

https://www.quora.com/When-and-why-did-people-start-to-use-HYPSM-to-group-these-five-universities-Harvard-Yale-Princeton-Stanford-and-MIT

https://youruniversityguide.wordpress.com/anglo-america/united-states/hypsm/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Only true inside the US. Global prestige is a whole different topic.

Hypsm is not a layman’s terminology. From Wiki on verifiability issues with HYPS, HYPSM, and HYPSMC:

“As things stand, no sources are provided to show any significant widespread use of any of these initialisms. I find it very hard to imagine a guidance counsellor saying "if you want to get into one of the aitch why pee ess em cee schools...." The verifiability policy notes that "The burden of evidence lies with the editors who have made an edit or wish an edit to remain." So far, those editors have declined to do this.”

Hypsm is no more than a DCUM AND CC terminology. It’s a shorthand way insecure DCUM strivers talk.

Wrong.

https://strategiesforparents.com/hypsm-meaning-and-significance-to-students/#:~:text=HYPSM%20refers%20to%20Harvard%2C%20Yale,schools'%20rising%20status%20to%20prominence

https://blog.collegevine.com/what-is-hypsm/

https://www.quora.com/When-and-why-did-people-start-to-use-HYPSM-to-group-these-five-universities-Harvard-Yale-Princeton-Stanford-and-MIT

https://youruniversityguide.wordpress.com/anglo-america/united-states/hypsm/

Lol, I clicked on your first click bait and confirmed HYPSM is nothing more than a sale stool used by cram schools to peddle their programs. The first link is by people pandering to fragile people. They even have “A reading program for fragile readers in grades 5 through 12 (and adults).”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the young Kennedy kids got arrested, maybe while drunk, and was bragging to the cops that she graduated from Brown. I remember laughing at that story because it shows how out of touch and deluded the average selective college graduate is about how the real world perceives their credential. The average cop didn't even go to college (outside of maybe classes at a local community college), you think he recognizes Brown, let alone its status and hyper selectivity? Absolutely not.

You don't think that behavior was more about being a Kennedy than a Brown alum? I know lots of them, and my anecdotal observation is the a-hole percentage is very similar to the general population, and quite a bit lower than this forum.

You also, IMHO, grossly underestimate the intellectual capabilities of police. Over 30% now have 4 year degrees and that number is climbing. Yes, 30% is still not average, but it is going to be soon. 100% of them don't care where you went to school when arresting you, but the idea that they wouldn't know what selective colleges are is a stereotype.

It's not about a Kennedy or Brown alums per se, it's about grads and parents with kids at colleges in the #6 through #20 range who grossly overestimate the layman prestige of their college. There really isn't any.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the young Kennedy kids got arrested, maybe while drunk, and was bragging to the cops that she graduated from Brown. I remember laughing at that story because it shows how out of touch and deluded the average selective college graduate is about how the real world perceives their credential. The average cop didn't even go to college (outside of maybe classes at a local community college), you think he recognizes Brown, let alone its status and hyper selectivity? Absolutely not.

You don't think that behavior was more about being a Kennedy than a Brown alum? I know lots of them, and my anecdotal observation is the a-hole percentage is very similar to the general population, and quite a bit lower than this forum.

You also, IMHO, grossly underestimate the intellectual capabilities of police. Over 30% now have 4 year degrees and that number is climbing. Yes, 30% is still not average, but it is going to be soon. 100% of them don't care where you went to school when arresting you, but the idea that they wouldn't know what selective colleges are is a stereotype.

It's not about a Kennedy or Brown alums per se, it's about grads and parents with kids at colleges in the #6 through #20 range who grossly overestimate the layman prestige of their college. There really isn't any.

Well, it depends, and it's often regional. Brown and other Ivies have immense sway in the Northeast/East Coast. Johns Hopkins for the Mid-Atlantic, Duke for the South, Northwestern & UChicago for the entire Midwest, Rice in Texas is HUGE, Stanford and the UCs of course in the West Coast (and nationally speaking, Stanford has perhaps the most lay prestige after Harvard and Yale).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think layman elite is probably just HYPSM.

Most of the nation has no idea what Hopkins, UChicago, Brown even are, let alone how insanely difficult it is to get into Duke, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Only true inside the US. Global prestige is a whole different topic.

Hypsm is not a layman’s terminology. From Wiki on verifiability issues with HYPS, HYPSM, and HYPSMC:

“As things stand, no sources are provided to show any significant widespread use of any of these initialisms. I find it very hard to imagine a guidance counsellor saying "if you want to get into one of the aitch why pee ess em cee schools...." The verifiability policy notes that "The burden of evidence lies with the editors who have made an edit or wish an edit to remain." So far, those editors have declined to do this.”

Hypsm is no more than a DCUM AND CC terminology. It’s a shorthand way insecure DCUM strivers talk.

Wrong.

https://strategiesforparents.com/hypsm-meaning-and-significance-to-students/#:~:text=HYPSM%20refers%20to%20Harvard%2C%20Yale,schools'%20rising%20status%20to%20prominence

https://blog.collegevine.com/what-is-hypsm/

https://www.quora.com/When-and-why-did-people-start-to-use-HYPSM-to-group-these-five-universities-Harvard-Yale-Princeton-Stanford-and-MIT

https://youruniversityguide.wordpress.com/anglo-america/united-states/hypsm/

Lol, I clicked on your first click bait and confirmed HYPSM is nothing more than a sale stool used by cram schools to peddle their programs. The first link is by people pandering to fragile people. They even have “A reading program for fragile readers in grades 5 through 12 (and adults).”

You don't handle being wrong too well, one sees. No big surprise there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the young Kennedy kids got arrested, maybe while drunk, and was bragging to the cops that she graduated from Brown. I remember laughing at that story because it shows how out of touch and deluded the average selective college graduate is about how the real world perceives their credential. The average cop didn't even go to college (outside of maybe classes at a local community college), you think he recognizes Brown, let alone its status and hyper selectivity? Absolutely not.

You don't think that behavior was more about being a Kennedy than a Brown alum? I know lots of them, and my anecdotal observation is the a-hole percentage is very similar to the general population, and quite a bit lower than this forum.

You also, IMHO, grossly underestimate the intellectual capabilities of police. Over 30% now have 4 year degrees and that number is climbing. Yes, 30% is still not average, but it is going to be soon. 100% of them don't care where you went to school when arresting you, but the idea that they wouldn't know what selective colleges are is a stereotype.

It's not about a Kennedy or Brown alums per se, it's about grads and parents with kids at colleges in the #6 through #20 range who grossly overestimate the layman prestige of their college. There really isn't any.

Well, it depends, and it's often regional. Brown and other Ivies have immense sway in the Northeast/East Coast. Johns Hopkins for the Mid-Atlantic, Duke for the South, Northwestern & UChicago for the entire Midwest, Rice in Texas is HUGE, Stanford and the UCs of course in the West Coast (and nationally speaking, Stanford has perhaps the most lay prestige after Harvard and Yale).

You aren't really talking about laymen, but rather a sub-set of highly educated people in different regions. PP isn't wrong that the top five or so schools are the only ones that have actual "layman prestige" among the general public.

Brown and JHU, in particular, aren't well known among the general public, nor is the University of Chicago. Northwestern has more name recognition because there are so few prestigious private universities in the Midwest, and Duke because of its basketball team. But it's Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and maybe (or maybe not) MIT that have captured the public imagination as elite for their academic prowess and histories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the young Kennedy kids got arrested, maybe while drunk, and was bragging to the cops that she graduated from Brown. I remember laughing at that story because it shows how out of touch and deluded the average selective college graduate is about how the real world perceives their credential. The average cop didn't even go to college (outside of maybe classes at a local community college), you think he recognizes Brown, let alone its status and hyper selectivity? Absolutely not.

You don't think that behavior was more about being a Kennedy than a Brown alum? I know lots of them, and my anecdotal observation is the a-hole percentage is very similar to the general population, and quite a bit lower than this forum.

You also, IMHO, grossly underestimate the intellectual capabilities of police. Over 30% now have 4 year degrees and that number is climbing. Yes, 30% is still not average, but it is going to be soon. 100% of them don't care where you went to school when arresting you, but the idea that they wouldn't know what selective colleges are is a stereotype.

It's not about a Kennedy or Brown alums per se, it's about grads and parents with kids at colleges in the #6 through #20 range who grossly overestimate the layman prestige of their college. There really isn't any.

Well, it depends, and it's often regional. Brown and other Ivies have immense sway in the Northeast/East Coast. Johns Hopkins for the Mid-Atlantic, Duke for the South, Northwestern & UChicago for the entire Midwest, Rice in Texas is HUGE, Stanford and the UCs of course in the West Coast (and nationally speaking, Stanford has perhaps the most lay prestige after Harvard and Yale).

You aren't really talking about laymen, but rather a sub-set of highly educated people in different regions. PP isn't wrong that the top five or so schools are the only ones that have actual "layman prestige" among the general public.

Brown and JHU, in particular, aren't well known among the general public, nor is the University of Chicago. Northwestern has more name recognition because there are so few prestigious private universities in the Midwest, and Duke because of its basketball team. But it's Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and maybe (or maybe not) MIT that have captured the public imagination as elite for their academic prowess and histories.

I am talking about laymen. The average man on the street in the South will definitely know about Duke. Same for the Midwest and Northwestern, and definitely UCLA/UC Berkeley for the average Californian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the young Kennedy kids got arrested, maybe while drunk, and was bragging to the cops that she graduated from Brown. I remember laughing at that story because it shows how out of touch and deluded the average selective college graduate is about how the real world perceives their credential. The average cop didn't even go to college (outside of maybe classes at a local community college), you think he recognizes Brown, let alone its status and hyper selectivity? Absolutely not.

You don't think that behavior was more about being a Kennedy than a Brown alum? I know lots of them, and my anecdotal observation is the a-hole percentage is very similar to the general population, and quite a bit lower than this forum.

You also, IMHO, grossly underestimate the intellectual capabilities of police. Over 30% now have 4 year degrees and that number is climbing. Yes, 30% is still not average, but it is going to be soon. 100% of them don't care where you went to school when arresting you, but the idea that they wouldn't know what selective colleges are is a stereotype.

It's not about a Kennedy or Brown alums per se, it's about grads and parents with kids at colleges in the #6 through #20 range who grossly overestimate the layman prestige of their college. There really isn't any.

Well, it depends, and it's often regional. Brown and other Ivies have immense sway in the Northeast/East Coast. Johns Hopkins for the Mid-Atlantic, Duke for the South, Northwestern & UChicago for the entire Midwest, Rice in Texas is HUGE, Stanford and the UCs of course in the West Coast (and nationally speaking, Stanford has perhaps the most lay prestige after Harvard and Yale).

You aren't really talking about laymen, but rather a sub-set of highly educated people in different regions. PP isn't wrong that the top five or so schools are the only ones that have actual "layman prestige" among the general public.

Brown and JHU, in particular, aren't well known among the general public, nor is the University of Chicago. Northwestern has more name recognition because there are so few prestigious private universities in the Midwest, and Duke because of its basketball team. But it's Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and maybe (or maybe not) MIT that have captured the public imagination as elite for their academic prowess and histories.

I am talking about laymen. The average man on the street in the South will definitely know about Duke. Same for the Midwest and Northwestern, and definitely UCLA/UC Berkeley for the average Californian.

Oh, and the average Texan definitely views Rice as very prestigious in my experience. Laypeople included.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one of the young Kennedy kids got arrested, maybe while drunk, and was bragging to the cops that she graduated from Brown. I remember laughing at that story because it shows how out of touch and deluded the average selective college graduate is about how the real world perceives their credential. The average cop didn't even go to college (outside of maybe classes at a local community college), you think he recognizes Brown, let alone its status and hyper selectivity? Absolutely not.

You don't think that behavior was more about being a Kennedy than a Brown alum? I know lots of them, and my anecdotal observation is the a-hole percentage is very similar to the general population, and quite a bit lower than this forum.

You also, IMHO, grossly underestimate the intellectual capabilities of police. Over 30% now have 4 year degrees and that number is climbing. Yes, 30% is still not average, but it is going to be soon. 100% of them don't care where you went to school when arresting you, but the idea that they wouldn't know what selective colleges are is a stereotype.

It's not about a Kennedy or Brown alums per se, it's about grads and parents with kids at colleges in the #6 through #20 range who grossly overestimate the layman prestige of their college. There really isn't any.

Lol then WTF are you talking about a Kennedy for? You this is a logical way to present your position?

You also misunderstand what "prestige" is. It's a subjective qualification. It can't be "overestimated". You can just have a different one.

Most importantly, what happened that made this important to you? You seem bitter. Personally I love it when people brag to me about the quality of their kid's state directional. Pride in your kid's education is (subjectively and to me) a good thing.

Oh and stop making generalizations about "the average cop". Are you police?

[Anonymous]

Posters on here are so deep in the bubble they have lost it. Any one educated at Brown or Rice or Duke or any of the others on here has an elite education. Get out a little so you can see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posters on here are so deep in the bubble they have lost it. Any one educated at Brown or Rice or Duke or any of the others on here has an elite education. Get out a little so you can see that.

These people are hypsm fans. Only hypsm will do for their sick puppies. They are really fragile people.