New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty pissed at coppermine for breaking the embargo. Nice to hear it on instagram rather than from our own coach

Yup..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coppermine spilling some ecnl tea:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGJUq2ryihb/?img_index=4&igsh=MWZvZ3VwcTZ0Zmh4eQ==

So GFR to ECNL

The other rumor is that they are joining MYS in GA.

[Anonymous]

GFR has ECNL-R. That's what they are referring to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coppermine spilling some ecnl tea:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGJUq2ryihb/?img_index=4&igsh=MWZvZ3VwcTZ0Zmh4eQ==

So GFR to ECNL

The other rumor is that they are joining MYS in GA.

As an alliance or stand alones

[Anonymous]

I think someone needs to call out Coppermine before they get in big soccer trouble. I notice they didn't tag gfr in that post

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

Once again for the 1000th time…
No one said anything about GA being the better league. I think you are upset that GA is finally putting up a fight and building itself up. They’ve been in existence for 5 years and they’ve done a good job. As for your comment about ECNL being this and that….again, I would rather play on a GA playoff team or Champions club, than any of the Lowe end ECNL clubs. If you truly think kids absolutley need ECNL to get recruited then I’m not sure what to tell you pal. You are in a cult.

A lot of this board has pointed to the GA having a huge power swing, so simply put I laid out things from my view, whats the issue with that? Are these boards not for discussions? There is no mud slinging going on in my post, just laying things out. Seems like everyone get so damn butt hurt the minute something doesn't align with their singular view of things.

It is okay to disagree and discuss/debate... or we can just go back to the regular scheduled "you're a loser" "b**lshit, my league is the best, end of debate" "give it a rest" "whatever" programming

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Aww.. how so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

Once again for the 1000th time…
No one said anything about GA being the better league. I think you are upset that GA is finally putting up a fight and building itself up. They’ve been in existence for 5 years and they’ve done a good job. As for your comment about ECNL being this and that….again, I would rather play on a GA playoff team or Champions club, than any of the Lowe end ECNL clubs. If you truly think kids absolutley need ECNL to get recruited then I’m not sure what to tell you pal. You are in a cult.

A lot of this board has pointed to the GA having a huge power swing, so simply put I laid out things from my view, whats the issue with that? Are these boards not for discussions? There is no mud slinging going on in my post, just laying things out. Seems like everyone get so damn butt hurt the minute something doesn't align with their singular view of things.

It is okay to disagree and discuss/debate... or we can just go back to the regular scheduled "you're a loser" "b**lshit, my league is the best, end of debate" "give it a rest" "whatever" programming

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Aww.. how so?

You didn't notice how multiple people called you out regarding your crazy anti GA rant?

Seemed pretty clear to everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

MLS and US Soccer are pulling strings in the background.

Soon they're going to pressure NWSL into a homegrown player rule.

As soon as this happens GA will turn into a female version of MLSN with contracts and acadamies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

Once again for the 1000th time…
No one said anything about GA being the better league. I think you are upset that GA is finally putting up a fight and building itself up. They’ve been in existence for 5 years and they’ve done a good job. As for your comment about ECNL being this and that….again, I would rather play on a GA playoff team or Champions club, than any of the Lowe end ECNL clubs. If you truly think kids absolutley need ECNL to get recruited then I’m not sure what to tell you pal. You are in a cult.

A lot of this board has pointed to the GA having a huge power swing, so simply put I laid out things from my view, whats the issue with that? Are these boards not for discussions? There is no mud slinging going on in my post, just laying things out. Seems like everyone get so damn butt hurt the minute something doesn't align with their singular view of things.

It is okay to disagree and discuss/debate... or we can just go back to the regular scheduled "you're a loser" "b**lshit, my league is the best, end of debate" "give it a rest" "whatever" programming

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Aww.. how so?

You didn't notice how multiple people called you out regarding your crazy anti GA rant?

Seemed pretty clear to everyone else.

Better to ignore him/her/they.

This is being generous but it's possible they are ADHD and and arguments are what they crave. That is why they terrible in every post.

Arguments stimulate the brains of ADHD people. The argumenta trigger dopamine in their brains. They will often seek out conflict for this reason.

Or, baby boy, baby girl, baby they is is just a jerk in all facets of life.

[Anonymous]

aww it just all doesn't fit your pro-GA anti-ECNL agenda

Debates/Conversations have multiple sides, welcome to the real world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:aww it just all doesn't fit your pro-GA anti-ECNL agenda

Debates/Conversations have multiple sides, welcome to the real world.

And the truth is that the bottom half of ECNL sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:aww it just all doesn't fit your pro-GA anti-ECNL agenda

Debates/Conversations have multiple sides, welcome to the real world.

And the truth is that the bottom half of ECNL sucks.

ECNL:
Crazy good top 1/3
Average middle 1/3
BAD bottom 1/3

GA:
Very good 6 clubs
Average 15-20 below that
BAD below that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:aww it just all doesn't fit your pro-GA anti-ECNL agenda

Debates/Conversations have multiple sides, welcome to the real world.

First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win

What stage are you in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:aww it just all doesn't fit your pro-GA anti-ECNL agenda

Debates/Conversations have multiple sides, welcome to the real world.

First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win

What stage are you in?

Just give it time, hopefully you're still in the product return window for your GA hat & sweatshirt by then.