New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So.....a dud?

What were you expecting them to say, that they added the Top 5 ECNL clubs in the country to GA?!?! You don't think ECNL did an announcement when they created ECNL-RL?

GA was already a second tier league. All they did was a add a fourth tier league. Yeah them!

Hahahaha in 6 months you're going to be begging a GA coach for a tryout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does that mean all the GA2 teams in NAL will move over to DPL?

This seems to be it? Does this mean anything geographically in terms of travel for local teams?

Could possibly see some clubs that are only ecnlrl make the jump and apply to be mlsn2 and ga2.

[Anonymous]

I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

[Anonymous]

Really in your feelings about this.

[Anonymous]

Coppermine spilling some ecnl tea:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGJUq2ryihb/?img_index=4&igsh=MWZvZ3VwcTZ0Zmh4eQ==

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coppermine spilling some ecnl tea:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGJUq2ryihb/?img_index=4&igsh=MWZvZ3VwcTZ0Zmh4eQ==

So GFR to ECNL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coppermine spilling some ecnl tea:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGJUq2ryihb/?img_index=4&igsh=MWZvZ3VwcTZ0Zmh4eQ==

So GFR to ECNL

I'm sure to replace Mclean in the Fairfax Union alliance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

Once again for the 1000th time…
No one said anything about GA being the better league. I think you are upset that GA is finally putting up a fight and building itself up. They’ve been in existence for 5 years and they’ve done a good job. As for your comment about ECNL being this and that….again, I would rather play on a GA playoff team or Champions club, than any of the Lowe end ECNL clubs. If you truly think kids absolutley need ECNL to get recruited then I’m not sure what to tell you pal. You are in a cult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

Bruh give it a rest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

Once again for the 1000th time…
No one said anything about GA being the better league. I think you are upset that GA is finally putting up a fight and building itself up. They’ve been in existence for 5 years and they’ve done a good job. As for your comment about ECNL being this and that….again, I would rather play on a GA playoff team or Champions club, than any of the Lowe end ECNL clubs. If you truly think kids absolutley need ECNL to get recruited then I’m not sure what to tell you pal. You are in a cult.

A lot of this board has pointed to the GA having a huge power swing, so simply put I laid out things from my view, whats the issue with that? Are these boards not for discussions? There is no mud slinging going on in my post, just laying things out. Seems like everyone get so damn butt hurt the minute something doesn't align with their singular view of things.

It is okay to disagree and discuss/debate... or we can just go back to the regular scheduled "you're a loser" "b**lshit, my league is the best, end of debate" "give it a rest" "whatever" programming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

Bruh give it a rest

And folks are able to have an opinion on your opinion…you haven’t seen anything play out yet… give it some time. There are steps that need to be taken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am quite surprised that multiple people seem to truly believe that the GA is gaining a foothold, and that people are going to leave ECNL girls.

The GA has made a series of very general announcements:

1. US Soccer Membership: This in reality is simply the ability to card themselves (have to now provide their own liability insurance which is the risky trade off to being able to keep all the $ gained through player registrations vs paying a USSSA, USYSA, US Club, etc). It does not align them with the NWSL anymore than US Club or USSSA are aligned with the NWSL. The NWSL cares about the NWSL and professional players, they do not have the infrastructure, finances or desire right now to step into the youth space.

2. MLS Partnership: This was the exact same empty wording release that actually occurred back in 2020 when the GA started, citing increased opportunity, coaching education, standards, etc. What are the opportunities and standards? Clubs who have GA & MLS-N being invited to the Generation Adidas Cup, while exciting on paper, is the goal exposure to collegiate teams? pro? MLS operates zero women's professional franchises, the majority of NWSL youth teams that exist (not a ton) but are in ECNL.. that would be NC Courage, Portland Thorns, Utah Royals, Racing Louisville, Orlando Pride, there is also a pretty close affiliation between KC Athletics & KC Current.

The GA has 1 NWSL youth program, the Reign, who are one of the lower end GA programs.

If the goal is collegiate exposure why would a college coach come to a male event (GA Cup) to watch a hand picked group (not necessarily merit based, but because they have an MLSN boys side) play? Able to see less games vs a traditional showcase.

If the goal is professional exposure, if you have been to an ECNL event you will have seen the NWSL scouts are out in force at every event, plus that is where those who have youth programs play.

For all those who think the NWSL doesn't like ECNL.. watch the space, I think you will see something this Spring/Summer that tanks the perceived reality of an alignment with the GA.

3. ASPIRE: Today's announcement, I think, is a good thing for the GA, being able to offer a Tier 2 for full member clubs. They have been smart, as the league does not have the administrative power like other organizations to be able to build, operate & manage two leagues so per the announcement, they are outsourcing it to DPL. Ironically, the GA outsources quite a bit (events, tier 2 league, etc), not saying its right or wrong, but an interesting observation vs other leagues. The trouble for the GA is a balance of levels. There are about 3-5 ELITE programs left in the entire GA (good teams in every age group, consistently), with a below-average middle and a very poor lower end. Yes, all leagues have this, but the disparity in the GA is huge vs ECNL for example. How can the GA serve those 3-5 clubs to provide them what they need to keep setting the standard if they don't get offered an ECNL position (we all know if offered, everyone is taking it). How do they push the middle tier to be better to make the league standard better? How do they push the bottom third into their Tier 2 while replacing them with better? Is there better out there that would want to move to the GA? You are talking about 30-40 clubs realistically.. where do they come from?

Once again for the 1000th time…
No one said anything about GA being the better league. I think you are upset that GA is finally putting up a fight and building itself up. They’ve been in existence for 5 years and they’ve done a good job. As for your comment about ECNL being this and that….again, I would rather play on a GA playoff team or Champions club, than any of the Lowe end ECNL clubs. If you truly think kids absolutley need ECNL to get recruited then I’m not sure what to tell you pal. You are in a cult.

A lot of this board has pointed to the GA having a huge power swing, so simply put I laid out things from my view, whats the issue with that? Are these boards not for discussions? There is no mud slinging going on in my post, just laying things out. Seems like everyone get so damn butt hurt the minute something doesn't align with their singular view of things.

It is okay to disagree and discuss/debate... or we can just go back to the regular scheduled "you're a loser" "b**lshit, my league is the best, end of debate" "give it a rest" "whatever" programming

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty pissed at coppermine for breaking the embargo. Nice to hear it on instagram rather than from our own coach

[Anonymous]

Now what happens with Loudon? Are they leaving to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty pissed at coppermine for breaking the embargo. Nice to hear it on instagram rather than from our own coach

Yeah, that was a mistake.

Who knows if GA will amount to anything, but I maintain that the thought of ECNL perpetual supremacy for girls is short sighted....