More MOCO Upzoning - Starting in Silver Spring

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Anonymous wrote:RSVP for the next online meeting on May 28: https://bit.ly/4bI3ijG

Reminder.

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The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone is commenting on the Post article today about Takoma Park about “let’s get upzoning”—same style of talk

In fact, Takoma Park is the first place in the county that should be upzoned. The game for too long was a TKPK dominated Council upzoning everywhere else in the county and calling people that complained racist, while protecting Takoma Park from density.

Then you will need to move to Takoma Park and run for city council, because Takoma Park has its own zoning authority.

Why would they need to move there to think that it’s the first place that should be upzoned? If anything, its exclusion from the reaches of the county planning board proves their point.

If their point is that incorporated municipalities in Montgomery County that existed before the creation of the Montgomery-National Capital Park and Planning Commission have their own planning and zoning authority, then yes, that proves their point

Ah yes, here’s the game. Takoma Park YIMBY activitist licking behind their sheltered walls. Go and protest the folks in Chevy Chase about a library while protecting your parking lots.

No one gives a crap about the administrative minutiae CSS of how you orchestrate your game. We just see the outcome of your rank hypocrisy.

I don't understand what the sentence means. Are you saying that nobody cares about the structure and function of local government? That's clearly false.

YIMBY activists don't protect parking lots, in Takoma Park or otherwise.

DP. I suppose we should adopt legislation that prohibits residents of areas with their own zoning authorities from being involved in zoning activity in any surrounding area, then. Mandatory recusal, etc.

Why would we do this? Residents of the City of Takoma Park (or the City of Rockville, or the City of Gaithersburg, or the Town of Poolesville, or the Town of Chevy Chase, or...) are also residents of Montgomery County.

I dunno...for the sake of ensuring that folks aren't directing policy for which they suffer no repercussion (or much less than those more directly affected)? Kind of a basic principle of good governance in a democratic system.

To repeat: residents of incorporated municipalities in Montgomery County are residents of Montgomery County. Speaking of basic principles of good governance in a democratic system. If you want a say in City of Gaithersburg zoning decisions, become a resident of the City of Gaithersburg.

Wonderful perpetuation of the line without nod to the inequty presented to those in unincorporated areas, where decisions can be made that greatly affect them by those with little or no skin in the game. If you don't like the suggested restriction, why not offer an alternative wherein such residents have equivalent protection? Say...

Allowing (and making ubiquitous) "light" incorporation of such areas for zoning purposes,

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Redefining the scope of authority for incorporated areas to exclude zoning.

The inequity of all Montgomery County residents having a say in Montgomery County land use decisions? The inequity of City of Rockville's residents having a say in City of Rockville's land use decisions vs non-residents of city of Rockville who don't? The inequity of there being incorporated municipalities with planning/zoning authority in Montgomery County? I sincerely don't get it.

What intentionally misdirective drivel -- it's difficult to believe, given the recent thread posts providing relatively clear context, that your claim of not getting it is anything more than a desperate attempt to confuse others. Just so as not to leave that hanging, it might be seen as the inequity of those not in an incorporated municipality having less relative say in changes related to their own local area in comparison to that of those whose residence is in an incorporated area. The power imbalance potentially allows those in incorporated areas to influence or create zoning policy that affects those in unincorporated areas while being insulated from possible negative effects of such changes, themselves. While the purposes of incorporation might include such protection, it should not afford the power differential with respect to others' localities.

In other words, you think it's unfair that people who live near but not in the City of Rockville don't have a voice in City of Rockville land use decisions because they're not City of Rockville residents, whereas people who live in the City of Rockville do have a voice in Montgomery County land use decisions because they're Montgomery County residents as well as City of Rockville residents. And so therefore the State of Maryland should strip the authority over land use decisions from the City of Rockville?

I hope you're not somebody who mischaracterizes supporters of Missing Middle housing as Oh, they're just upset that they can't afford to live in Bethesda, I would like to live in a mansion in Hawaii but I can't afford it, life isn't fair.

You want the privilege to be a NIMBY in your neighborhood and a YIMBY in other people’s neighborhoods.

You’re absolutely lame and your attempts to spin it make you look even lamer.

"You" who? I'm the PP you're responding to, and I don't live in an incorporated municipality, I live in unincorporated Montgomery County.

*fart noise*

Epic

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

Thanks to the magical superpowers of the Montgomery County Planning Department, the University Boulevard Corridor Plan will simultaneously gentrify the area and turn it into Pruitt-Igoe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

Don’t worry. They will have new options for “rolling.” They can do it for many more miles now since they will be forced to move further away!

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

What I want to know is out of all of those things that they have listed, what Planning considers successful.

It’s funny to me that they are so far up removed from reality that they are building plans on top of plans. Instead of plans on top of successes.

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

Don’t worry. They will have new options for “rolling.” They can do it for many more miles now since they will be forced to move further away!

They're using "walking, biking, and rolling" to include people who use wheelchairs and other wheeled devices that help with mobility impairments. I think that people who use wheelchairs etc. should be able to get around safely and comfortable. Don't you?

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

Don’t worry. They will have new options for “rolling.” They can do it for many more miles now since they will be forced to move further away!

They're using "walking, biking, and rolling" to include people who use wheelchairs and other wheeled devices that help with mobility impairments. I think that people who use wheelchairs etc. should be able to get around safely and comfortable. Don't you?

No, they’re talking electric scooters.

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

Don’t worry. They will have new options for “rolling.” They can do it for many more miles now since they will be forced to move further away!

They're using "walking, biking, and rolling" to include people who use wheelchairs and other wheeled devices that help with mobility impairments. I think that people who use wheelchairs etc. should be able to get around safely and comfortable. Don't you?

No, they’re talking electric scooters.

No, they're not. Look at the Pedestrian Master Plan.

https://montgomeryplanning.org/planning/transportation/pedestrian-planning/pedestrian-master-plan/

You think you're sneering at e-scooters, but you're actually sneering at wheelchairs.

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

Don’t worry. They will have new options for “rolling.” They can do it for many more miles now since they will be forced to move further away!

“Rolling” is just a new opportunity for another plan. They are “Planning” after all, so cannot pass up the opportunity to create plans. There’s already a bike plan and a pedestrian plan, so obviously now they need a “rolling” plan.

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

Don’t worry. They will have new options for “rolling.” They can do it for many more miles now since they will be forced to move further away!

“Rolling” is just a new opportunity for another plan. They are “Planning” after all, so cannot pass up the opportunity to create plans. There’s already a bike plan and a pedestrian plan, so obviously now they need a “rolling” plan.

There already is a rolling plan. It's the Pedestrian Master Plan.

"Where did the plan come from?

As many of you know, your comfort level walking or rolling (with a mobility device) in Montgomery County can vary greatly. Some roads and intersections are safer and more accessible than others. To ensure a less stressful traveling experience, the county recommended the Planning Department put together a master plan to address the issues all pedestrians face in Montgomery County."

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

A+ for fear-mongering, PP.