More MOCO Upzoning - Starting in Silver Spring

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

Serious post.

In one of the YIMBY Facebook groups there is a person talking about how in science fiction the housing is never single family neighborhoods, and specifically references the Fifth Element cityscape. Apparently SFH neighborhoods are not very interesting and you don’t get a sense of “place” or “culture.”

I mean…do they not get that these stories are dystopian tales about broken systems and political corruption? It tracks, I guess.

This is LITERALLY what was said, so I’ll take it at face value. That’s the kind of society that they want to live in. They probably yearn for the day when get a Brave New World healthcare system, too. Marathon Man dental care plans, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

Serious post.

In one of the YIMBY Facebook groups there is a person talking about how in science fiction the housing is never single family neighborhoods, and specifically references the Fifth Element cityscape. Apparently SFH neighborhoods are not very interesting and you don’t get a sense of “place” or “culture.”

I mean…do they not get that these stories are dystopian tales about broken systems and political corruption? It tracks, I guess.

This is LITERALLY what was said, so I’ll take it at face value. That’s the kind of society that they want to live in. They probably yearn for the day when get a Brave New World healthcare system, too. Marathon Man dental care plans, etc.

PP, may I suggest not drawing conclusions based on what you think some random person said in a Facebook post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

A+ for fear-mongering, PP.

What about it is “fear mongering”? It’s is all based on real world, existing precedent.

Kemp Mill Mall owners don’t want to add housing? It’s already been done at other strip malls in the county.

Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it. Look at all the cut up townhouses in DC.

Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing.

Is there anything that Planning hasn’t done in recent years where they didn’t submit an award application?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

A+ for fear-mongering, PP.

What about it is “fear mongering”? It’s is all based on real world, existing precedent.

Kemp Mill Mall owners don’t want to add housing? It’s already been done at other strip malls in the county.

Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it. Look at all the cut up townhouses in DC.

Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing.

Is there anything that Planning hasn’t done in recent years where they didn’t submit an award application?

No, it's not. As you yourself explain. If "chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs," then it doesn't need zoning to allow duplexes or triplexes. There have been no "traffic nightmares" created by Planning. And Planning has no power over our streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

A+ for fear-mongering, PP.

What about it is “fear mongering”? It’s is all based on real world, existing precedent.

Kemp Mill Mall owners don’t want to add housing? It’s already been done at other strip malls in the county.

Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it. Look at all the cut up townhouses in DC.

Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing.

Is there anything that Planning hasn’t done in recent years where they didn’t submit an award application?

No, it's not. As you yourself explain. If "chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs," then it doesn't need zoning to allow duplexes or triplexes. There have been no "traffic nightmares" created by Planning. And Planning has no power over our streets.

You have not refuted anything I’ve posted, you just find it embarrassing. I’m not sure why you’re anonymously defending Planning online, unless you work for them which means that you’re lying. Otherwise, you’re not familiar with MNCPPC so it makes me wonder what you’re doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

So it would be bad if the Kemp Mill Shopping Center were rezoned from NR (employment center) to CR (mixed-use commercial/residential), thereby allowing the property owner (who is local) to add housing to the property? This is something you're opposed to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

So it would be bad if the Kemp Mill Shopping Center were rezoned from NR (employment center) to CR (mixed-use commercial/residential), thereby allowing the property owner (who is local) to add housing to the property? This is something you're opposed to?

Did the PP put a value judgement on it or just describe the outcome? You’re arguing against strawmen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

A+ for fear-mongering, PP.

What about it is “fear mongering”? It’s is all based on real world, existing precedent.

Kemp Mill Mall owners don’t want to add housing? It’s already been done at other strip malls in the county.

Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it. Look at all the cut up townhouses in DC.

Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing.

Is there anything that Planning hasn’t done in recent years where they didn’t submit an award application?

No, it's not. As you yourself explain. If "chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs," then it doesn't need zoning to allow duplexes or triplexes. There have been no "traffic nightmares" created by Planning. And Planning has no power over our streets.

You have not refuted anything I’ve posted, you just find it embarrassing. I’m not sure why you’re anonymously defending Planning online, unless you work for them which means that you’re lying. Otherwise, you’re not familiar with MNCPPC so it makes me wonder what you’re doing.

I'm the PP you're responding to. I guess I do find it embarrassing for you that you would post such fear-mongering misinformation?

I asked questions, which you haven't answered. I will repeat:

1. If ADUs are already legal to "chop up" existing houses (uniplexes) into two units, why the alarmism about rezoning to allow duplexes or triplexes?
2. What traffic nightmares has Planning created?
3. What changes over "our streets" has Planning made?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

A+ for fear-mongering, PP.

What about it is “fear mongering”? It’s is all based on real world, existing precedent.

Kemp Mill Mall owners don’t want to add housing? It’s already been done at other strip malls in the county.

Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it. Look at all the cut up townhouses in DC.

Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing.

Is there anything that Planning hasn’t done in recent years where they didn’t submit an award application?

No, it's not. As you yourself explain. If "chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs," then it doesn't need zoning to allow duplexes or triplexes. There have been no "traffic nightmares" created by Planning. And Planning has no power over our streets.

You have not refuted anything I’ve posted, you just find it embarrassing. I’m not sure why you’re anonymously defending Planning online, unless you work for them which means that you’re lying. Otherwise, you’re not familiar with MNCPPC so it makes me wonder what you’re doing.

I'm the PP you're responding to. I guess I do find it embarrassing for you that you would post such fear-mongering misinformation?

I asked questions, which you haven't answered. I will repeat:

1. If ADUs are already legal to "chop up" existing houses (uniplexes) into two units, why the alarmism about rezoning to allow duplexes or triplexes?
2. What traffic nightmares has Planning created?
3. What changes over "our streets" has Planning made?

As the PP, I would respond but you cannot even use quotation marks correctly. You’re literally arguing with yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

So it would be bad if the Kemp Mill Shopping Center were rezoned from NR (employment center) to CR (mixed-use commercial/residential), thereby allowing the property owner (who is local) to add housing to the property? This is something you're opposed to?

Did the PP put a value judgement on it or just describe the outcome? You’re arguing against strawmen.

I am the person who asked the question. PP can answer the question their own self. Maybe the PP is not opposed! Or maybe the PP is. That is the point of asking the PP.

The PP said, "The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John [Village shopping center]," which I agree, I would expect the property to get rezoned to allow this.

How about you: are you opposed to this, or not? I am not opposed to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

So it would be bad if the Kemp Mill Shopping Center were rezoned from NR (employment center) to CR (mixed-use commercial/residential), thereby allowing the property owner (who is local) to add housing to the property? This is something you're opposed to?

Did the PP put a value judgement on it or just describe the outcome? You’re arguing against strawmen.

I am the person who asked the question. PP can answer the question their own self. Maybe the PP is not opposed! Or maybe the PP is. That is the point of asking the PP.

The PP said, "The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John [Village shopping center]," which I agree, I would expect the property to get rezoned to allow this.

How about you: are you opposed to this, or not? I am not opposed to it.

Where is the argument? You are now actively seeking out arguments. That’s not healthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

A+ for fear-mongering, PP.

What about it is “fear mongering”? It’s is all based on real world, existing precedent.

Kemp Mill Mall owners don’t want to add housing? It’s already been done at other strip malls in the county.

Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it. Look at all the cut up townhouses in DC.

Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing.

Is there anything that Planning hasn’t done in recent years where they didn’t submit an award application?

No, it's not. As you yourself explain. If "chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs," then it doesn't need zoning to allow duplexes or triplexes. There have been no "traffic nightmares" created by Planning. And Planning has no power over our streets.

You have not refuted anything I’ve posted, you just find it embarrassing. I’m not sure why you’re anonymously defending Planning online, unless you work for them which means that you’re lying. Otherwise, you’re not familiar with MNCPPC so it makes me wonder what you’re doing.

I'm the PP you're responding to. I guess I do find it embarrassing for you that you would post such fear-mongering misinformation?

I asked questions, which you haven't answered. I will repeat:

1. If ADUs are already legal to "chop up" existing houses (uniplexes) into two units, why the alarmism about rezoning to allow duplexes or triplexes?
2. What traffic nightmares has Planning created?
3. What changes over "our streets" has Planning made?

As the PP, I would respond but you cannot even use quotation marks correctly. You’re literally arguing with yourself.

Literally, meaning figuratively?

Here's what you said.

1. "Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments." AND "Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it." My question for you: if this is already happening, what would a change in zoning change?

2. "The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster." AND "Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing." My question for you: what traffic nightmares has Planning created?

3. "Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing." My question for you: what changes over our streets has Planning made?

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Anonymous wrote:The University Boulevard Corridor (UBC) Plan will build on previous initiatives, such as the Countywide Transit Corridors Functional Master Plan, Thrive Montgomery 2050, and Vision Zero. The UBC Plan focuses on a three-mile stretch of University Boulevard (MD 193), with the aim to understand community needs in relation to traffic safety, regional connectivity, environmental sustainability, and economic development. The plan explores opportunities for new development, bikeways, and bus rapid transit (BRT), as well as the creation of a complete street with wider sidewalks, comfortable public transportation stops, and safe access. Community involvement is key to the success of the process, and Montgomery Planning is offering virtual and in-person opportunities for feedback. The University Boulevard Corridor Plan is part of a larger vision for compact growth, supported by an excellent transit system and a safe, appealing network for walking, biking, and rolling.


Where are the low-income residents supposed to go once this all gets upzoned?

In some of the corridor they will get priced out, but luckily, the remainder will be a sea of lower income rental units that they can move in to. No one really knows for sure because the plan doesn’t seem to involve much in the way of planning.

Let us remember that the important part is that some white people will be able to ride their bikes to some “third place” coffee shop to pat themselves on the back.

Looking at the boundary and it’s pretty clear what’s going to happen. The Kemp Mill shopping center gets redeveloped with townhouses, like Cabin John Mall. Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments. Not building new housing, just cheaply and dangerously chopping up existing houses like a college town. The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster. Planning will submit applications to the APA for professional awards by hitting all the buzzwords, “walkable”, “missing middle”, “complete streets”. These are the most cynical, self-serving people you could ever meet.

A+ for fear-mongering, PP.

What about it is “fear mongering”? It’s is all based on real world, existing precedent.

Kemp Mill Mall owners don’t want to add housing? It’s already been done at other strip malls in the county.

Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it. Look at all the cut up townhouses in DC.

Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing.

Is there anything that Planning hasn’t done in recent years where they didn’t submit an award application?

No, it's not. As you yourself explain. If "chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs," then it doesn't need zoning to allow duplexes or triplexes. There have been no "traffic nightmares" created by Planning. And Planning has no power over our streets.

You have not refuted anything I’ve posted, you just find it embarrassing. I’m not sure why you’re anonymously defending Planning online, unless you work for them which means that you’re lying. Otherwise, you’re not familiar with MNCPPC so it makes me wonder what you’re doing.

I'm the PP you're responding to. I guess I do find it embarrassing for you that you would post such fear-mongering misinformation?

I asked questions, which you haven't answered. I will repeat:

1. If ADUs are already legal to "chop up" existing houses (uniplexes) into two units, why the alarmism about rezoning to allow duplexes or triplexes?
2. What traffic nightmares has Planning created?
3. What changes over "our streets" has Planning made?

As the PP, I would respond but you cannot even use quotation marks correctly. You’re literally arguing with yourself.

Literally, meaning figuratively?

Here's what you said.

1. "Everything south of University is rezoned “missing middle”, which means that the preexisting SFHs that are predominantly rented by middle class immigrant families will get broken up into smaller apartments." AND "Creating “missing middle” by chopping up existing SFHs is already legal by right as ADUs. And the cheapest way to do it." My question for you: if this is already happening, what would a change in zoning change?

2. "The roadway changes will turn traffic into a disaster." AND "Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing." My question for you: what traffic nightmares has Planning created?

3. "Creating traffic nightmares seems to be a recent passion of Planning. Not sure how they are allowed to get so much power over our streets but that’s what they’re doing." My question for you: what changes over our streets has Planning made?

You clearly work for Planning and while you have now quoted who passages of text, you didn’t bother to read any of it. Which is hilarious and explains a lot about why Planning is so incompetent. When you’re done arguing with yourself, let me know.

[Anonymous]

Here's a hint for all your NIMBYs: if you don't like apartments, don't live in them. Radical idea! And spend some of your energy on something more productive than hand-wringing about how some people want to live in something other than some ugly SFH.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a hint for all your NIMBYs: if you don't like apartments, don't live in them. Radical idea! And spend some of your energy on something more productive than hand-wringing about how some people want to live in something other than some ugly SFH.

Wow, you did it. You refuted all of the arguments. Well done.