Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard

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Anonymous wrote:Just makes me sad. So many people worked so hard to bring back DC's downtown three decades ago. Now it's all over.

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I live in VA and am sad about what is happening to DC. I’ve been in this area for nearly 15 years and chose to live in Arlington b/c my job is here, but I’m right near a metro and enjoy going into DC for restaurants, entertainment, etc.

I had never really felt too unsafe in DC (at least no more than any other city), but lately I’ve found myself not wanting to go there with my young kids. Which sucks because I chose to live close to the city because it is (was? could be again?) a great place. Taking the orange line to metro center is actually way easier for me than driving to Alexandria or switching metro lines plus I like the excuse to switch things up and go to dinner in DC. I honestly don’t understand why DC gov cares more about the rights of criminals than its law abiding residents and business owners? It’s like the latter is just an afterthought now.

Same. We loved being close to the city, and it seemed at one time like many other cities, in terms of safety. But I can’t say that anymore.

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I drew the line at gunshots during the Nats game, a couple years ago. Take your plans and shove it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

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If DC (and MD for that matter) just made their tax policy competitive with VA, it would be a different story.

Safety is easy, Leonsis could hire a private security team outside Cap One if he was treated fairly from a tax standpoint.

MD and DC are going to continue to spiral until they get competitive.

I live in MD making about 750k. I truly think about the additional 3% or so of income tax in playing - would cover my daughters day care. I can pretty much see VA from my home in Bethesda..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

Yes, I am too provincial. I also think it’s insane that someone would drive from Ashburn to Nats Park. It’s 2+ hrs in the car. Just go to a bar.

There really isn’t a large Wizards fan base (Caps will be just fine). I only go to Wizards games because it’s convenient. I don’t think I’ve ever paid for a wizards ticket..it’s usually some corporate box and I only go because it’s an easy trip down the red line from Moco. Many of my friends and coworkers are the same way.

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Anonymous wrote:If people want to go to a game they will go, it doesn’t matter if it’s in va. Hockey fans are raving and it seems like most come from southern Maryland already.

I can't ever see a scenario where I go to a game there. If you gave me free courtside tickets on a weekend, maybe; otherwise, nothing is worth the headache of getting to and from Potomac Yards from Bethesda/Potomac/CC

Agree 100%. How to piss off a large and long-standing portion of your dedicated fan base! If Ted is leaving DC, then DC Council should start taxing the teams. No reason not to.

Four of the ten richest counties in the country (including #1 and #2) are in NOVA. I think Ted will be just fine.

lol, those lists are so worthless. It’s all income based. Do you really think Ashburn is one of the richest places in the country. It’s middle management Mecca for people who want a McMansion but can’t afford McLean.

They play polo in Ashburn. That should tell you everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

Yes, I am too provincial. I also think it’s insane that someone would drive from Ashburn to Nats Park. It’s 2+ hrs in the car. Just go to a bar.

There really isn’t a large Wizards fan base (Caps will be just fine). I only go to Wizards games because it’s convenient. I don’t think I’ve ever paid for a wizards ticket..it’s usually some corporate box and I only go because it’s an easy trip down the red line from Moco. Many of my friends and coworkers are the same way.

Do you realize how stupid you sound saying it will be a big deal that you won't attend anymore?

Hey look everybody. Someone who never pays for tickets will stop going to games. Hope uncle Ted can is ready to hit the breadlines now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just makes me sad. So many people worked so hard to bring back DC's downtown three decades ago. Now it's all over.

+1

I live in VA and am sad about what is happening to DC. I’ve been in this area for nearly 15 years and chose to live in Arlington b/c my job is here, but I’m right near a metro and enjoy going into DC for restaurants, entertainment, etc.

I had never really felt too unsafe in DC (at least no more than any other city), but lately I’ve found myself not wanting to go there with my young kids. Which sucks because I chose to live close to the city because it is (was? could be again?) a great place. Taking the orange line to metro center is actually way easier for me than driving to Alexandria or switching metro lines plus I like the excuse to switch things up and go to dinner in DC. I honestly don’t understand why DC gov cares more about the rights of criminals than its law abiding residents and business owners? It’s like the latter is just an afterthought now.

Same. We loved being close to the city, and it seemed at one time like many other cities, in terms of safety. But I can’t say that anymore.

I live in DC and I feel the same way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

Why do you think people in Bethesda and CC pay so much for rather basic houses? It's because they value time over space.

Alexandria and National Harbor are the furthest places from there in the region. It's a full loop around the beltway to get there and back. I'd rather drive to Baltimore.

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Did anyone tell them that all big cities have crime and that their safety is on par with other big cities?

There she is! Mrs. “Crime is Up Everywhere” so those folks getting mugged should just grin and bear it.

They are not moving because of the crime. Let's be real here.

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And the only winners are the fans who use Eisenhower Ave Metro (27 minutes to GP, 18 minutes to CC). Vienna (44, 43 minutes) and Reston (59, 58 minutes) are a wash. But MD residents get screwed. Rockville (37 to GP, 63 to CC). Glenmount (33, 54). Greenbelt (28, 46). New Carrolton (42, 55). Largo (39, 55).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If people want to go to a game they will go, it doesn’t matter if it’s in va. Hockey fans are raving and it seems like most come from southern Maryland already.

I can't ever see a scenario where I go to a game there. If you gave me free courtside tickets on a weekend, maybe; otherwise, nothing is worth the headache of getting to and from Potomac Yards from Bethesda/Potomac/CC

Agree 100%. How to piss off a large and long-standing portion of your dedicated fan base! If Ted is leaving DC, then DC Council should start taxing the teams. No reason not to.

Four of the ten richest counties in the country (including #1 and #2) are in NOVA. I think Ted will be just fine.

lol, those lists are so worthless. It’s all income based. Do you really think Ashburn is one of the richest places in the country. It’s middle management Mecca for people who want a McMansion but can’t afford McLean.

They play polo in Ashburn. That should tell you everything.

They play polo near the Lincoln Memorial. What should that tell us?

[Anonymous]

It's annoying to me that our DC rulers take businesses and residents for granted. They just have assumed for a decade now that they don't need to offe anything. FBI leaves... Flippant. Sports leave.... Flippant. Residents leave "we need more condos". Nightmare rulers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If people want to go to a game they will go, it doesn’t matter if it’s in va. Hockey fans are raving and it seems like most come from southern Maryland already.

I can't ever see a scenario where I go to a game there. If you gave me free courtside tickets on a weekend, maybe; otherwise, nothing is worth the headache of getting to and from Potomac Yards from Bethesda/Potomac/CC

Agree 100%. How to piss off a large and long-standing portion of your dedicated fan base! If Ted is leaving DC, then DC Council should start taxing the teams. No reason not to.

Four of the ten richest counties in the country (including #1 and #2) are in NOVA. I think Ted will be just fine.

lol, those lists are so worthless. It’s all income based. Do you really think Ashburn is one of the richest places in the country. It’s middle management Mecca for people who want a McMansion but can’t afford McLean.

They play polo in Ashburn. That should tell you everything.

They play polo near the Lincoln Memorial. What should that tell us?

That you're making a bad faith post

[Anonymous]

This is Gallery Place, tonight. Doesn't look like a crime riddled hellscape to me

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Anonymous wrote:God, the number of effing scooters that are going to be left all over the path.

This is also going to increase crime monumentally in Alexandria. F you, Youngkin.

Why is this going to increase crime monumentally ?

Agree that is an odd take.

There is already a lot of development planned for that area, this will help support local businesses. Before DC completely dropped any pretense at civic order, Gallery Place was a thriving destination with the arena as the anchor - restaurants, bars, shopping, it was a fun day/evening out.

Often arenas are put in areas to help gentrification of sketchy neighborhoods, I don't see how in and of themselves they bring crime. Odd take. Potomac Yards is going to be booming.

I think this, too. This is going to be great for the area - if they can be smart about traffic and parking.

How exactly are they going to be "smart" about traffic? It is already overburdened. What do you expect they will do to make it tenable on game nights?