Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard

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Anonymous wrote:They will need to time the lights through Old Town better to allow people to go from the WW bridge up to Potomac Yards with minimal stops.

It doesn't matter how well the lights are timed when the streets are already clogged with rush hour traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

Why do you think people in Bethesda and CC pay so much for rather basic houses? It's because they value time over space.

Alexandria and National Harbor are the furthest places from there in the region. It's a full loop around the beltway to get there and back. I'd rather drive to Baltimore.

If you are BCC or SS resident, the Baltimore stadiums, FedEx or RFK, Nats Park, and Audi Field are all closer than PY. My purchases of tickets will reflect that reality.

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Anonymous wrote:This is Gallery Place, tonight. Doesn't look like a crime riddled hellscape to me

Neat. Cherry picking the data. A common statistical error.

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Anonymous wrote:They will need to time the lights through Old Town better to allow people to go from the WW bridge up to Potomac Yards with minimal stops.

It doesn't matter how well the lights are timed when the streets are already clogged with rush hour traffic.

At 6pm?

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Anonymous wrote:God, the number of effing scooters that are going to be left all over the path.

This is also going to increase crime monumentally in Alexandria. F you, Youngkin.

Why is this going to increase crime monumentally ?

Agree that is an odd take.

There is already a lot of development planned for that area, this will help support local businesses. Before DC completely dropped any pretense at civic order, Gallery Place was a thriving destination with the arena as the anchor - restaurants, bars, shopping, it was a fun day/evening out.

Often arenas are put in areas to help gentrification of sketchy neighborhoods, I don't see how in and of themselves they bring crime. Odd take. Potomac Yards is going to be booming.

I think this, too. This is going to be great for the area - if they can be smart about traffic and parking.

How exactly are they going to be "smart" about traffic? It is already overburdened. What do you expect they will do to make it tenable on game nights?

There are no options at PY for smart traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

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They clearly didn’t think through many critical aspects of this project.

I doubt you or the Twidiot have ever been to an outdoor concert. The airport is likely to call and ask them to turn it down so they can hear themselves in the control tower.

They re-route traffic at LGA for the US Open, which is farther than this is to DCA.

Because the grunting of the players is too loud?

Planes taking off are very loud. 140+ decibels loud.

You think that is going to attract artists?

I suppose I will ask. Do the people in the current shopping plaza have trouble talking to each other with all the plane noise?

Does anyone actually hang out outside there?

There is a kids park directly below the metro, so yes.

Aren't the kids deaf from the 140+ dB plane noise? Seems irresponsible.

No, you don’t hear the planes from the kids park that’s directly there. You do hear the train, and the kids love seeing it. We’ve gone for years.

You should visit an audiologist since you appear to now have a significant amount of hearing from +140 dB planes.

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Anonymous wrote:If DC (and MD for that matter) just made their tax policy competitive with VA, it would be a different story.

Safety is easy, Leonsis could hire a private security team outside Cap One if he was treated fairly from a tax standpoint.

MD and DC are going to continue to spiral until they get competitive.

I live in MD making about 750k. I truly think about the additional 3% or so of income tax in playing - would cover my daughters day care. I can pretty much see VA from my home in Bethesda..

I guess you don't get that the tax/fee burden for DC individuals is lower than VA or MD, right? Look at the studies, this myth that VA is some sort of tax haven compared to the neighboring jurisdictions has been pure fantasy for years.

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Anonymous wrote:They will need to time the lights through Old Town better to allow people to go from the WW bridge up to Potomac Yards with minimal stops.

It doesn't matter how well the lights are timed when the streets are already clogged with rush hour traffic.

At 6pm?

6pm is peak rush hour. Rush hour basically goes from about 3:30 to 6:30. So when you add stadium/arena traffic that starts around 6, the bublle to 6:30 will make getting to the arena by 7 very difficult. I guess they could change game times to 7:30, but they were moved to 7 when the teams moved downtown, from 7:30 and that works a lot better for the TV schedules. But if the games start at 7:30, that means they are over after 10, which is when metro will be closing because Youngkin refuses to commit Virginia funds to the regional transit system. So that means everyone going to the games will need to drive or leave the games early. Winning formula there.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

You aren’t getting it. Leonsis correctly understands that the economic engine of the region has shifted completely to Fairfax and Loudoun Counties. He only needs this one corner that is paved with the gold from defense contractors and massive IT companies and their millionaire employees. He doesn’t need the other three corners and the blight that some of those corners bring. The arena is going to filled with Amazon engineers barely able to squeeze into the seats because their wallets are so fat. PLUS he still gets to own an arena downtown which DC has no alternative but to upgrade massively. It was a genius move.

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Anonymous wrote:If DC (and MD for that matter) just made their tax policy competitive with VA, it would be a different story.

Safety is easy, Leonsis could hire a private security team outside Cap One if he was treated fairly from a tax standpoint.

MD and DC are going to continue to spiral until they get competitive.

I live in MD making about 750k. I truly think about the additional 3% or so of income tax in playing - would cover my daughters day care. I can pretty much see VA from my home in Bethesda..

I guess you don't get that the tax/fee burden for DC individuals is lower than VA or MD, right? Look at the studies, this myth that VA is some sort of tax haven compared to the neighboring jurisdictions has been pure fantasy for years.

I’m a CPA, you’re factually incorrect.

Va is the best, then DC, the MD. If you’re poor, sure DC is great.

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Anonymous wrote:God, the number of effing scooters that are going to be left all over the path.

This is also going to increase crime monumentally in Alexandria. F you, Youngkin.

Why is this going to increase crime monumentally ?

Agree that is an odd take.

There is already a lot of development planned for that area, this will help support local businesses. Before DC completely dropped any pretense at civic order, Gallery Place was a thriving destination with the arena as the anchor - restaurants, bars, shopping, it was a fun day/evening out.

Often arenas are put in areas to help gentrification of sketchy neighborhoods, I don't see how in and of themselves they bring crime. Odd take. Potomac Yards is going to be booming.

I think this, too. This is going to be great for the area - if they can be smart about traffic and parking.

How exactly are they going to be "smart" about traffic? It is already overburdened. What do you expect they will do to make it tenable on game nights?

It's Alexandria. They aren't smart about anything. Everyone knows that.

[Anonymous]

Long time DC resident here who is a big Wizards fan. I look forward to the new stadium in Potomac Yard. I thought the VT extension campus was a terrific idea so this can add to that area. I might go to a game or two and am thrilled that DC is not stuck with the $1.6 billion dollar price tag plus any revenue short fall payments, plus, costs of renovations and infrastructure.

I live near Nats park and I have the schedule on my fridge because during home games, it is tough to get to places any where near the stadium.

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Anonymous wrote:The Caps will be fine. It's a good franchise. What they lose in MoCo and NW DC fans attending games, they'll make up with NoVa fans. I'm in MoCo near the DC line. We go to Caps game all the time. I cannot imagine trekking all the way to Potomac Yards for a weeknight game during rush hour. Not happening. But the Virginia fans will be there.

The Wizards are going to suffer. It's been a losing franchise forever with little hope of changing anytime soon. Most of their fan base - such as it is - is DC based. They are not going to Potomac Yards. You need a winning team for people to go through the inconveinience of going to Potomac Yards. It'll be a pretty empty arena for the foreseeable future when it comes to the Wizards.

The real loser, of course, is DC. This is hundreds of millions in lost revenue. All those restaurants in Gallery Place are going to die. It will be impossible to sell a condo in that neighborhood. It was the arena that turned everything around downtown 30 years ago. It will revert back to the crack era so fast it'll make your head spin. The future for downtown DC is bleak.

I blame Bowser and the City Council, of course. Absolute idiots. But the real villain is the USAO. When you decline to prosecute nearly 70 percent of all arrests, there are consequences. Leonsis said it himself. Most of his employees have been attacked and harassed just going to work. No wants that kind of stress in their day to day life. These are all repeat offenders well known to the police. The average murder suspect in DC has 11 felonies - pretty impressive for a teen or someone in their twenties. And USAO does nothing about these violent people.

So people and businesses are leaving DC. Until DC gets serious about putting criminals in prison, the city will continue to decline.

Plenty of people from Loudoun and western Fairfax travel to DC for Nationals BASEBALL(!) games. Plenty via Metro too (shock). Are MD people from Bethesda and CC too provincial to cross the Potomac? I’m sure a few are but C’mon. If you’re a fan, the move to a neighboring DC community won’t be a big deal.

BTW the commute from western Fairfax to Baltimore via car at rush hour is not that much longer than getting to DC for baseball games.

You aren't getting it. The reason people from all corners go to the games in DC is because DC is in the middle of the region with the transit hubs in the city. When you move attractions to one corner or another, it becomes at best inconvenient and at worse burdensome to untenable, to attend. So sure, you have people from western fairfax to Baltimore going to events in DC because it is DC. For people from Baltimore, it is an easy train ride to Union Station and then walk to the Arena or capital bike share to the arena or stadium. Really for people from upper NW DC and Montgomery County, adding an hour commute to attend games on a weeknight during rush hour (not an hour commute, ADDING an hour) is simply not an option for most people.

You aren’t getting it. Leonsis correctly understands that the economic engine of the region has shifted completely to Fairfax and Loudoun Counties. He only needs this one corner that is paved with the gold from defense contractors and massive IT companies and their millionaire employees. He doesn’t need the other three corners and the blight that some of those corners bring. The arena is going to filled with Amazon engineers barely able to squeeze into the seats because their wallets are so fat. PLUS he still gets to own an arena downtown which DC has no alternative but to upgrade massively. It was a genius move.

lol at thinking everyone at Amazon HQ has “fat wallets”. Their 250k salary won’t go very far

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Anonymous wrote:If DC (and MD for that matter) just made their tax policy competitive with VA, it would be a different story.

Safety is easy, Leonsis could hire a private security team outside Cap One if he was treated fairly from a tax standpoint.

MD and DC are going to continue to spiral until they get competitive.

I live in MD making about 750k. I truly think about the additional 3% or so of income tax in playing - would cover my daughters day care. I can pretty much see VA from my home in Bethesda..

I guess you don't get that the tax/fee burden for DC individuals is lower than VA or MD, right? Look at the studies, this myth that VA is some sort of tax haven compared to the neighboring jurisdictions has been pure fantasy for years.

I pay over 3% more in income tax, property tax is equivalent, we have a crappy state estate tax..VA has the car tax but that the easiest to avoid..just buy a nice used car.