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Anonymous wrote:U. Of Chicago:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2006/3/6/18469992/argosy-university-changes-mind-fires-official-accused-of-plagiarism

Did you just google "plagiarism + academic" and paste the first results without even looking into what happened in each case?

Don't answer. We already know lol.

NP; why? What did you find??

I found Francesca Gino of HBS, who is currently embroiled in a huge data falsification scandal and is suing Harvard for sanctions they imposed after they investigated her subsequent to some some bloggers exposing her. Kind of undermines the narrative that Harvard doesn't or won't ever hold academics accountable though.

You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if that’s your example of the system supposedly working.

Can you read?

Read what, specifically? You obviously know nothing about the Gino case. I assume you found out about its existence tonight, based on the obvious ignorance you are displaying.

Nope, known about it. Do you care to stop putting words into people's mouths?

I’m not putting words in people’s mouths. I don’t need to do that. You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if you think that’s an example of the system actually working.

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Anonymous wrote:U. Of Chicago:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2006/3/6/18469992/argosy-university-changes-mind-fires-official-accused-of-plagiarism

Did you just google "plagiarism + academic" and paste the first results without even looking into what happened in each case?

Don't answer. We already know lol.

NP; why? What did you find??

I found Francesca Gino of HBS, who is currently embroiled in a huge data falsification scandal and is suing Harvard for sanctions they imposed after they investigated her subsequent to some some bloggers exposing her. Kind of undermines the narrative that Harvard doesn't or won't ever hold academics accountable though.

You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if that’s your example of the system supposedly working.

Can you read?

Read what, specifically? You obviously know nothing about the Gino case. I assume you found out about its existence tonight, based on the obvious ignorance you are displaying.

Nope, known about it. Do you care to stop putting words into people's mouths?

I’m not putting words in people’s mouths. I don’t need to do that. You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if you think that’s an example of the system actually working.

Where have I said it is an example of the system working? You come in blustering in like a clown arguing against statements that have not been made and looking like a fool.

Have a seat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is showing that to be truly elite, you need diverse leadership. Harvard is also showing that some groups cannot cope with a loss of control, and you need to ignore the clanging on their idiot bells.

Bravo Harvard!

Harvard is showing the world that certain groups are favored and certain viewpoints are permissible on their campus. Its leaders are as biased as any others.

Yup.

New boss; same as the old boss.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s great she resigned, but she needs to be prosecuted for her actions facilitating the ongoing genocide being perpetrated against Jews.

Not to mention adding additional charges for her roles in the Donner Party tragedy, and the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand!

When will she be held to account for these crimes!

Ah, the old reductio ad absurdum, a logic fallacy.

Let’s discuss reparations for slavery.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is showing that to be truly elite, you need diverse leadership. Harvard is also showing that some groups cannot cope with a loss of control, and you need to ignore the clanging on their idiot bells.

Bravo Harvard!

Harvard is showing the world that certain groups are favored and certain viewpoints are permissible on their campus. Its leaders are as biased as any others.

Harvard is exposing the blatant double-standards on every “woke” university campus.

These blatant and divisive double standards have been there for a while on campuses across the US.

Time for a return to sanity.

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Anonymous wrote:U. Of Chicago:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2006/3/6/18469992/argosy-university-changes-mind-fires-official-accused-of-plagiarism

Did you just google "plagiarism + academic" and paste the first results without even looking into what happened in each case?

Don't answer. We already know lol.

NP; why? What did you find??

I found Francesca Gino of HBS, who is currently embroiled in a huge data falsification scandal and is suing Harvard for sanctions they imposed after they investigated her subsequent to some some bloggers exposing her. Kind of undermines the narrative that Harvard doesn't or won't ever hold academics accountable though.

You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if that’s your example of the system supposedly working.

Can you read?

Read what, specifically? You obviously know nothing about the Gino case. I assume you found out about its existence tonight, based on the obvious ignorance you are displaying.

Nope, known about it. Do you care to stop putting words into people's mouths?

I’m not putting words in people’s mouths. I don’t need to do that. You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if you think that’s an example of the system actually working.

Where have I said it is an example of the system working? You come in blustering in like a clown arguing against statements that have not been made and looking like a fool.

Have a seat.

Ah. You are backtracking because your lack of understanding about the Gino case was glaringly obvious to those of us who know that case well.

Here is exactly what you wrote about the Gino case, for the record: “Kind of undermines the narrative that Harvard doesn't or won't ever hold academics accountable though.”

Anyone who knows anything about the Gino case knows that it does nothing to undermine the narrative that Harvard does not hold academics accountable. You are out of your depth here because you are obviously not familiar with the facts of that case.

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Anonymous wrote:U. Of Chicago:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2006/3/6/18469992/argosy-university-changes-mind-fires-official-accused-of-plagiarism

Did you just google "plagiarism + academic" and paste the first results without even looking into what happened in each case?

Don't answer. We already know lol.

NP; why? What did you find??

I found Francesca Gino of HBS, who is currently embroiled in a huge data falsification scandal and is suing Harvard for sanctions they imposed after they investigated her subsequent to some some bloggers exposing her. Kind of undermines the narrative that Harvard doesn't or won't ever hold academics accountable though.

You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if that’s your example of the system supposedly working.

Can you read?

Read what, specifically? You obviously know nothing about the Gino case. I assume you found out about its existence tonight, based on the obvious ignorance you are displaying.

Nope, known about it. Do you care to stop putting words into people's mouths?

I’m not putting words in people’s mouths. I don’t need to do that. You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if you think that’s an example of the system actually working.

Where have I said it is an example of the system working? You come in blustering in like a clown arguing against statements that have not been made and looking like a fool.

Have a seat.

Ah. You are backtracking because your lack of understanding about the Gino case was glaringly obvious to those of us who know that case well.

Here is exactly what you wrote about the Gino case, for the record: “Kind of undermines the narrative that Harvard doesn't or won't ever hold academics accountable though.”

Anyone who knows anything about the Gino case knows that it does nothing to undermine the narrative that Harvard does not hold academics accountable. You are out of your depth here because you are obviously not familiar with the facts of that case.

And where does that say anything about "the system working". You are putting words into my mouth. You are the one backtracking.

People in this thread were acting like Harvard academics can do whatever they want with impunity. Are you suggesting that that is what has happened in the Gino affair? See how this silly game works?

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Anonymous wrote:U. Of Chicago:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2006/3/6/18469992/argosy-university-changes-mind-fires-official-accused-of-plagiarism

Did you just google "plagiarism + academic" and paste the first results without even looking into what happened in each case?

Don't answer. We already know lol.

NP; why? What did you find??

I found Francesca Gino of HBS, who is currently embroiled in a huge data falsification scandal and is suing Harvard for sanctions they imposed after they investigated her subsequent to some some bloggers exposing her. Kind of undermines the narrative that Harvard doesn't or won't ever hold academics accountable though.

You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if that’s your example of the system supposedly working.

Can you read?

Read what, specifically? You obviously know nothing about the Gino case. I assume you found out about its existence tonight, based on the obvious ignorance you are displaying.

Nope, known about it. Do you care to stop putting words into people's mouths?

I’m not putting words in people’s mouths. I don’t need to do that. You obviously know nothing about the Gino case if you think that’s an example of the system actually working.

Where have I said it is an example of the system working? You come in blustering in like a clown arguing against statements that have not been made and looking like a fool.

Have a seat.

Ah. You are backtracking because your lack of understanding about the Gino case was glaringly obvious to those of us who know that case well.

Here is exactly what you wrote about the Gino case, for the record: “Kind of undermines the narrative that Harvard doesn't or won't ever hold academics accountable though.”

Anyone who knows anything about the Gino case knows that it does nothing to undermine the narrative that Harvard does not hold academics accountable. You are out of your depth here because you are obviously not familiar with the facts of that case.

And where does that say anything about "the system working". You are putting words into my mouth. You are the one backtracking.

People in this thread were acting like Harvard academics can do whatever they want with impunity. Are you suggesting that that is what has happened in the Gino affair? See how this silly game works?

Harvard DOES do what it chooses to do with very little accountability. One has to be in line with their views.

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Anonymous wrote:Who are those kids that are using slurs of ANY kind on college campuses?

We are led to believe that it is almost impossible to get into the Ivy League schools nowadays (according to the College forum you have to be at least “double-hooked”), the selection is so fierce and still some complete idiots are getting in? How?

Wait - a child used a slur?? ON CAMPUS?!?

We must hunt them down! Identify and shame that child, publicly!! Deprive them of a career! Banish them and their family forever!!

ZERO tolerance for freedom of expression on campus!

There are no children on a college campus.

Age 26 and below = child, at least under D.C.’s definition of “youthful offender.”

Ergo, a child is now anyone under the age of 26.

Research from the Ivies backs up the fact that children’s brains are not fully developed until age 26 or so.

baby ages 0-2
toddler 2-4
child 4-puberty
teenager puberty-18
young adult 21-26
adult 26-60
elderly over 60

These are the right word. Calling somebody 26 a child is an attempt to mislead.

person accused of murder in Washington, D.C. - YOUTHFUL OFFENDER.

Your failure to acknowledge that legal fact is an attempt to mislead / obfuscate.

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Anonymous wrote:Black women do not owe you their citations.

Are you referring to President Gay?

If so, it appears she plagiarized her dissertation:

https://christopherrufo.com/p/is-claudine-gay-a-plagiarist?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Equally disturbing as the plagiarism is the fact that every single thing she writes seems to be about race. According to the article she is a mean nasty bully who got where she is by playing identity politics, along with cheating. I’m sure she would come down like a ton of bricks on a “privileged” student who did just once what she has done her whole career. Way to go Harvard, you have transitioned into a national joke.

Rufo is piling on and reaching.

I don’t know who Rufo is, but he/she seems to speak truth. Are you defending President Gay? Go ahead then and explain why she is a good person to be President of Harvard.

Well, you should look into him. He is a notorious, disingenuous anti-CRT crusader. He intentionally impoverishes the discourse through obfuscation. His co-author is a hack who couldn't cut it as an economist and has resorted to publishing hit pieces on minority and female academics out of some misplaced sense of injustice. They both saw this as an opportune time to pile on and oust a "woke" President. They don't care about plagiarism and these "offenses" aren't even serious. Her own dissertation advisor is someone that she's is alleged to have plagiarized and he is standing in defense of her.

I know three Harvard professors and they both say she is a good administrator, even if her publishing record is sparse. She switched to administration early on in her career and became a worker of the system rather than a prolific academic. Maybe not the most charismatic, but not what she is being painted out to be either. I'm sure her race didn't hurt either, given Harvard's recent bad press. She has overwhelming support from the faculty though, admittedly, they are but one constituency of stakeholders at the University.

Hey - she plagiarized another black woman, so that's ok, I guess.

Do you have a point you are trying to make?

Sure. I will spell it out for you.

Students who are found plagiarizing get thrown out of Harvard. Professors/presidents who are found plagiarizing get a pass. Especially when the plagiarizing is from another POC.
Seems fair - right?

So a student who did the same thing in a paper as Gay would be thrown out of Harvard?

Also, you mean to tell me that people don't act as haphazardly when the stakes are higher and the repercussions greater?

What a revelation!

Please give me more you fount of wisdom and insight!

OMG. There is a MASSIVE double standard applied in the Gay case.

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I'm not going to get into the weeds of this argument, but it does strike me that being the face of this issue has been a useful vehicle for Elise Stefanek to 1) get her name out there in advance of a future political run for a bigger office and 2) stick it to Harvard (of which she is an alum) for kicking her off the Senior Advisory Committee of the Harvard Institute of Politics, which removed her due to her claims of voter fraud in the November 2020 election. Apparently she was fine with being on the committee of a "woke" university prior to being ousted from it.

[Anonymous]

Back to the original discussion.

It’s so obvious that all 3 of the presidents who testified are diversity hires and are in their positions for that reason alone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who are those kids that are using slurs of ANY kind on college campuses?

We are led to believe that it is almost impossible to get into the Ivy League schools nowadays (according to the College forum you have to be at least “double-hooked”), the selection is so fierce and still some complete idiots are getting in? How?

Wait - a child used a slur?? ON CAMPUS?!?

We must hunt them down! Identify and shame that child, publicly!! Deprive them of a career! Banish them and their family forever!!

ZERO tolerance for freedom of expression on campus!

There are no children on a college campus.

Age 26 and below = child, at least under D.C.’s definition of “youthful offender.”

Ergo, a child is now anyone under the age of 26.

Research from the Ivies backs up the fact that children’s brains are not fully developed until age 26 or so.

baby ages 0-2
toddler 2-4
child 4-puberty
teenager puberty-18
young adult 21-26
adult 26-60
elderly over 60

These are the right word. Calling somebody 26 a child is an attempt to mislead.

person accused of murder in Washington, D.C. - YOUTHFUL OFFENDER.

Your failure to acknowledge that legal fact is an attempt to mislead / obfuscate.

Youthful offender does not equal a child. Just because someone look youthful in their 80s does not mean they are child.

[Anonymous]

Update: There are now raised allegations of plagiarism against five of Gay’s eleven published papers.

[Anonymous]

Gay provided the requisite citations but did not use quotes when she used some of the same language. Hardly an egregious offense.