Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Woman charged with felony for trying to clean up a 22-week stillbirth at home after being refused care at a hospital.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/

Ridiculous…all the quotes are from men, including one who said she “put” the fetus in the toilet.

“She went on with her day”

"His" words.

[Anonymous]

And nobody has yet explained what those words are supposed to mean -- yet they are supposed to carry weight,

Hmmm.

What does that mean, exactly?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Have you ever lost a pregnancy? It’s a lot of blood. Tissue is minimal.

Early on, yes. Not at 22 weeks.

What about 19? How do you know what size it was, did you see it yourself?

It would be legal at 20 weeks which is why the prosecutor chose 22 weeks. They have no proof of the age of the clump of cells.

19 weeks totally legal.

Also, the fetus was not developing normally so even if it was "predicted to be 22 weeks" it might not be gestationally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

What could the ambulance have done for her dead fetus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

My kid went to Suburban in an ambulance last month and it cost me $300 just for the ambulance part. And I have insurance.

[Anonymous]

FYI for all those upset about the toilet part -- in 2019, Ohio also charged a 20-year-old woman for having a still birth and burying it.

And the DC woman who was bleeding out in Ohio was sent home because they were afraid to help her. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/15/1135882310/miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio

Ohio, get your dang act together.

[Anonymous]

I’m realizing there are people who think she had the miscarriage somewhere in the house and then moved it to the toilet. They don’t understand that she was sitting on the toilet when she expelled the remains.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI for all those upset about the toilet part -- in 2019, Ohio also charged a 20-year-old woman for having a still birth and burying it.

And the DC woman who was bleeding out in Ohio was sent home because they were afraid to help her. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/15/1135882310/miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio

Ohio, get your dang act together.

gosh, the DC woman’s story is so nuts. she literally had to be close to bleeding out before they would care for her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Not true.

By 16+ weeks, you’re talking about a fetus that is avocado-sized or larger. Miscarriages happen regularly. Plumbers aren’t regularly extracting 16-22 week fetuses from clogged residential toilets.

I was told to bring the remains in when I had my exam.

You realize that not everyone reacts to a 2nd trimester fetus the way you might in terms of seeing it as a newborn baby. Some people might recoil at the way it looks, think of it as an alien or worse. Especially if it is covered in blood or fecal matter and wet soggy toilet paper. That would make a lot of people turn away in horror and disgust. I read an anecdote from someone who instinctively flushed, before she even knew what she was doing. I’m not going to judge a woman who has just gone through losing the contents of her uterus. Hormones going wild, probably bleeding like crazy and in pain. None of us should be judging her. She needed help and was all alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

Even with insurance, ambulance rides can be $$$$$.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

Even with insurance, ambulance rides can be $$$$$.

True, and we have no idea what charges this women may have been billed for previously— since she had already gone to the hospital twice before .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

She already went to the hospital and they sent her home, what is an ambulance gonna do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

She already went to the hospital and they sent her home, what is an ambulance gonna do?

Well, perhaps they can charge her for an assessment. I'm sure that would help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

Did she have insurance?

She was living at a Catholic home for poor women and children. What do you think?