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Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate
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Anonymous
Standing to sue is not the same as having a good case. |
Anonymous
Well it would now also be a good case. lol |
Anonymous
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For class of 2025, the overall acceptance rate was 18%.
Hispanic and Asian students had higher than average acceptance rates. Hispanic 21% Asian 19% White 17% Black 14% Other* 13% |
Anonymous
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Where did Class of 2024 vs 2025 attend 8th grade:
Under-represented MS 6% -> 31% Well-represented MS 84% -> 67% Private school/homeschool MS 10% -> 3% Private school applicants saw the biggest pinch. The well-represented middle schools still send the majority of students. |
Anonymous
Already have several times, but sure. Class of 2024: The total hit rate per application was 19.14%. 355 seats were offered to Asian students, coming from 1,423 applications for a hit rate of 24.94%. 86 seats were offered to white students, coming from 595 applications for a hit rate of 14.45%. A maximum of 9 seats were offered to Black students, coming from 160 applications for a maximum hit rate of 5.63%. The actual hit rate was likely much lower. 16 seats were offered to Hispanic students from 208 applications for a hit rate of 7.69%. When cultural factors and compounding evidence like the Curie matter are taken into account, it is noncontroversial to assert that the previous process disproportionately favored Asian students and had a clear disparate impact on all other demographics. Class of 2025: The total hit rate per application was 18.13%. 299 seats were offered to Asian students from 1,535 applications for a hit rate of 19.48%. Still slightly favored, but no longer in a statistically significant manner. 123 seats were offered to white students from 726 applications for a hit rate of 16.94%. Still slightly disfavored, but again, not significantly. 39 seats were offered to Black students from 272 applications for a hit rate of 14.33%. Seems like there's still some work to be done here, but at least we're in reasonable territory. 62 seats were offered to Hispanic students from 295 applications for a hit rate of 21.02%. Favored, but only about half as much as Asians were pre-changes. There you go. Now feel free to show YOUR work. |
Anonymous
This is actually really helpful. I've been hearing a lot of messaging from both sides on this but getting the hard numbers is useful. |
Anonymous
The argument is not about the admission percentage. It is about whether the same admission criteria were used for all races. It has not been the case since Class 2025.
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Anonymous
The old process discriminated against dumb kids, too. Glad we were able to fix the lack of representation of poor and dumb kids at TJ. |
Anonymous
I understood this from the beginning. I also understood that the students from underrepresented schools and economically disadvantaged families would not get admitted in a merit-based competitive process. What is confusing me is why people are saying the new process is leading to a superior class. The narrative that prepped kids do not measure up and struggle after admission is also going to be a much larger problem with the new student body and anger over watering down the program. |
Anonymous
Of course the same criteria was used. They selected the criteria to try and boost the black and brown percentage. They did not explicitly use race, so in many cases this helped Asian students. Sometimes the parents moved to another school to boost chance of admission. |
Anonymous
If the same criteria were used, why are most TJ Math 1 students non-Asians? In fact, very very very very few TJ students took TJ Math 1 before the admission change.
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Anonymous
Yes, the used before were different from the criteria used now. Someone accused TJ of using different criteria for different races. Now the same criteria are used for students of every race. Before the same criteria were used for students of every race. They were just different criteria used in the two time periods. You do not know the racial breakdown of Math 1. Asians are only a little over half the class, so it would be easy for half to be non-Asian by random chance. That said, the automatic qualifiers from some of these schools will likely be Hispanic or black, and not having geometry in 8th grade. If no Asian parents moved their kid there for a year to try and get an automatic spot, then there would be more for Math 1. I know some Asian kids who would be in Math 1 next year but I don't know if they accepted their admission. |
Anonymous
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For TJ, Asian applicants are academically much better than others, which is the only reason for their higher admittance rate. In fact, if not due to the now defunct affirmative action, the rate should go even higher.
Losers, you have to face reality and study harder.
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Anonymous
The counterargument is that changed the criteria with intent of reducing the number of Asians. |
Anonymous
Mostly just the dumb kids who couldn't afford prep. The wealthy dumb kids did fine. |