Freedom of religion vs. Hasidic jews

[Anonymous]

I watched a documentary called One of Us because it was on a list of top docs of 2017 and I came away appalled by the Hasidic community. Why do we let this regressive, repressive, racist group flourish in this country?

[Anonymous]

I saw it. I'm not opposed to the Hasidic community at all. But I'm appalled they aren't more educated. Why aren't they forced to take exams and continue on in school? I do know that Amish are also not educated but don't know of any other groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw it. I'm not opposed to the Hasidic community at all. But I'm appalled they aren't more educated. Why aren't they forced to take exams and continue on in school? I do know that Amish are also not educated but don't know of any other groups.

How are you not opposed to a community that:

- allows husbands to rape their wives
- bans children from reading any secular books
- bans the internet
- takes over towns in upstate new york and immediately disenfranchises immigrants by gutting their schools
- bans women's rights
- demands wives to pop out kids to commit welfare fraud

.....I could go on for pages but these people are barbaric and I can't believe they aren't prosecuted for their crimes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw it. I'm not opposed to the Hasidic community at all. But I'm appalled they aren't more educated. Why aren't they forced to take exams and continue on in school? I do know that Amish are also not educated but don't know of any other groups.

How are you not opposed to a community that:

- allows husbands to rape their wives
- bans children from reading any secular books
- bans the internet
- takes over towns in upstate new york and immediately disenfranchises immigrants by gutting their schools
- bans women's rights
- demands wives to pop out kids to commit welfare fraud

.....I could go on for pages but these people are barbaric and I can't believe they aren't prosecuted for their crimes

What are the crimes? Pretty tough to prosecute spousal rape.

Also, there are 'Christians' like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw it. I'm not opposed to the Hasidic community at all. But I'm appalled they aren't more educated. Why aren't they forced to take exams and continue on in school? I do know that Amish are also not educated but don't know of any other groups.

How are you not opposed to a community that:

- allows husbands to rape their wives
- bans children from reading any secular books
- bans the internet
- takes over towns in upstate new york and immediately disenfranchises immigrants by gutting their schools
- bans women's rights
- demands wives to pop out kids to commit welfare fraud

.....I could go on for pages but these people are barbaric and I can't believe they aren't prosecuted for their crimes

What are the crimes? Pretty tough to prosecute spousal rape.

Also, there are 'Christians' like this.

There are also atheists like this. Many many societies have lots of kids for welfare fraud (Mormon) and are against women's rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw it. I'm not opposed to the Hasidic community at all. But I'm appalled they aren't more educated. Why aren't they forced to take exams and continue on in school? I do know that Amish are also not educated but don't know of any other groups.

How are you not opposed to a community that:

- allows husbands to rape their wives
- bans children from reading any secular books
- bans the internet
- takes over towns in upstate new york and immediately disenfranchises immigrants by gutting their schools
- bans women's rights
- demands wives to pop out kids to commit welfare fraud

.....I could go on for pages but these people are barbaric and I can't believe they aren't prosecuted for their crimes

What are the crimes? Pretty tough to prosecute spousal rape.

Also, there are 'Christians' like this.

There are also atheists like this. Many many societies have lots of kids for welfare fraud (Mormon) and are against women's rights.

OK....so that's your defense? That there are other a-holes that are just as bad? These people are despicable and must be prosecuted. A whistleblower named a rabbi that was sexually molesting children and instead of the community rising up in support of him they shunned him and drove him out. F these religious nut bags

[Anonymous]

This is the only community that doesn't snitch? Please.

Their values are gross but you're not making much of a case, OP.

Also, how is it welfare fraud if the child exists?

[Anonymous]

I know some of the people involved in One Of Us (although none of the protagonists).
First, much of what is in the film is absolutely sickening, terrible, heartbreaking, should be illegal etc.

We should be careful not to overgeneralize though; not all Hasidic communities/sub-communities-- and certainly not all Hasids-- are like what is portrayed in the film.

In my personal opinion, fanaticism of all stripes is bad. And, yes, there are a lot of similarities between certain hasidic communities and fundamentalists of other religions.

There has been a big shift in the last 15-20 years where in America Hasidic kids are not receiving 'decent' educations in many of their schools. there are lawsuits about this in NJ right now. (My brother who is a secularaly (and religiously) educated orthodox Jew but not hasidic taught in one for a little while, and he said it was beyond terrible how little respect many of the families and administrations have for secular education). I personally think there is an opportunity for advocacy and enforcement around their schools. In NY and I think NJ, it is particularly complicated due to some political realities and voting patterns. In the DC area, the only area with a larger hasdic populationis Baltimore, and I'm not familiar enough with that community to know how prevalent the disregard for a decent secular education is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the only community that doesn't snitch? Please.

Their values are gross but you're not making much of a case, OP.

Also, how is it welfare fraud if the child exists?

The kids exist for sure. I *think* not all register as married, so there are a lot of hasidic 'single mothers' with many children. They are married in a religious sense.
Not welfare, but there have been instances of hasidic schools misusing government funds, for example claiming grant money related to library internet access when they de facto don't allow anyone in the school to use the internet (or something like that).

[Anonymous]

Have you people followed what has happened in communities like Kiryas Joel in New Yorl? Absolutely sickening and disgusting. And these poor immigrants who have no idea how the system can be manipulated are completely screwed before they even know what's happening. Why don't mainstream jews speak out against these atrocities?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the only community that doesn't snitch? Please.

Their values are gross but you're not making much of a case, OP.

Also, how is it welfare fraud if the child exists?

You're either stupid or insanely naive. Google "Hasidic welfare fraud" and get back to me. These people just want to sponge off of the state....they don't even consider themselves Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the only community that doesn't snitch? Please.

Their values are gross but you're not making much of a case, OP.

Also, how is it welfare fraud if the child exists?

You're either stupid or insanely naive. Google "Hasidic welfare fraud" and get back to me. These people just want to sponge off of the state....they don't even consider themselves Americans.

Insanely naive?! You're joking. You really think that many people would be able to explain hasidic welfare fraud off the top of their heads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you people followed what has happened in communities like Kiryas Joel in New Yorl? Absolutely sickening and disgusting. And these poor immigrants who have no idea how the system can be manipulated are completely screwed before they even know what's happening. Why don't mainstream jews speak out against these atrocities?????

I guess the same reason mainstream Christians don't speak out against the fanatics. You're far removed from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know some of the people involved in One Of Us (although none of the protagonists).
First, much of what is in the film is absolutely sickening, terrible, heartbreaking, should be illegal etc.

We should be careful not to overgeneralize though; not all Hasidic communities/sub-communities-- and certainly not all Hasids-- are like what is portrayed in the film.

In my personal opinion, fanaticism of all stripes is bad. And, yes, there are a lot of similarities between certain hasidic communities and fundamentalists of other religions.

There has been a big shift in the last 15-20 years where in America Hasidic kids are not receiving 'decent' educations in many of their schools. there are lawsuits about this in NJ right now. (My brother who is a secularaly (and religiously) educated orthodox Jew but not hasidic taught in one for a little while, and he said it was beyond terrible how little respect many of the families and administrations have for secular education). I personally think there is an opportunity for advocacy and enforcement around their schools. In NY and I think NJ, it is particularly complicated due to some political realities and voting patterns. In the DC area, the only area with a larger hasdic populationis Baltimore, and I'm not familiar enough with that community to know how prevalent the disregard for a decent secular education is.

+1 Agreed, and it's hard to tell Hasids apart from fundamentalist muslims. Both forbid women from being educated or intermingling with men. Both forbid children from secular education. Both ignore basic human rights. And yet we're bombing and drone striking the muslims but letting these Hasidic luddites run free? WTF America?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you people followed what has happened in communities like Kiryas Joel in New Yorl? Absolutely sickening and disgusting. And these poor immigrants who have no idea how the system can be manipulated are completely screwed before they even know what's happening. Why don't mainstream jews speak out against these atrocities?????

I guess the same reason mainstream Christians don't speak out against the fanatics. You're far removed from it.

No, it's because the victims are voiceless immigrants, not white people. Absolutely disgraceful behavior by these Hasidics who might as well be living in the middle ages.