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Anonymous wrote:Cc told us if we come to the 09s now, he will get us exposure at the spring tournaments.

Lol of course he did. But considering only the GK is committed you’re a fool to believe it. He’s going to prioritize getting exposure for his FCV faves that have played for him for years and are tied to him. There are 22 players on that roster already!

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Anonymous wrote:I have high hopes for this group when it comes to getting some enlightened responses, rooted in experience, to a question about player development and team/club performance. I treat the bulk of what transpires on here as satire, but every once in a while, someone adds something truly valuable. I'm hoping that'll be the case with your responses.

For those with older kids who are serious about their soccer training and potential career beyond the club level, what role do you feel a specific club or team coach has made (or could make) in the tactical, skill, and physical development of your player, or an entire team for that matter, outside of the individual/personal/group/non-team training that most do?. In other words, in the NoVA area, have any of the clubs, GA or ECNL, actually proven that they can develop their players, beginning at a young age, to be extremely competitive throughout their pre-college career? Or does a club just look like they're really good at developing talent by performing well in a given year because a large enough group of talented kids leave other clubs and all end up at the same place for a given reason, e.g. their particular age group performed well at said new club so they think it's a great club, or one of the coaches has great college relationships so they go there because they think it'll increase their likelihood of getting recruited, or they want GA vs ECNL or vice versa?

CC is both heavily praised and criticized depending on someone's individual experience. When BP was at FCV, he had a lot of relationships so talented girls went there (don't know if they were always the best in their age group or not) and CC gets the "training" credit of having graduated a lot of talented kids. Were they talented before they got there and he was just the lucky recipient of kids who wanted to leverage BP's relationships, or is he a proven entity when it comes to team-level player development and, if he's not, are any of the coaches or clubs in the NoVA area worthy of such a reputation?

- actual Rev parent

It's a blurry picture and there are plenty of examples in all directions. CC was at FCV for years before BP arrived. CC gets training credit for the girls who were developed pre-BP, and many of the players BP took credit for right after he arrived were developed by CC. They both benefited from each other and claim/deserve some of the credit. They were also both lucky recipients of talented kids. FCV was always known as the place that recruited talented players from other clubs. CC is way more knowledgable about soccer and a better teacher, BP is better at promotion, recruiting players, and has more connections. There is no single best coach/club for a player. It depends on the situation. Is the player raw and needs a lot of soccer development? Are they good at promoting themselves? Do they have a private soccer trainer and work on their own? Are they self motivated? How is their mindset? If a player is talented enough they would have recruiting success at most any ECNL or GA club because they are all going to the same showcases events. Marketing yourself by contacting coaches ahead of events with film and then *standing out* on the pitch at these events is still the recruiting formula.

When FCV got DA, the talent flocked to them. They didn’t develop anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:We are one of the GF who took our DD to a VRSc practice for 2009 and already have an offer for next season 2026/27. My question is are those coaches really as bad as people are saying?

What? That's crazy. No one is sending out offers for the 26/27 yet unless your kid is the next Mia Hamm.

That's what you think, but there are many kids across many clubs that already know exactly where they'll be playing next year.... Realistically if you're top 3 or 4 player on a team, you don't think the club has already extended an offer. It's not as if a team is going to be able to bring in say 16 kids better than your current top 3 or 4 players.

Sure but you're telling me some kid who has been playing at GFR Is now considered one of the top 3 or 4 kids on VRSC's 09 team? Find that very hard to believe having a fairly decent knowledge of both of those teams.

Yep, and you haven’t even seen the best ones yet from GFR.

Actually, I have. The best ones left years ago. A couple good players still there but they won’t beat out the current players for starting positions on a team with 22 on the roster already

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They will take 5-6 new players and expect those not getting playing time to quit.

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Anonymous wrote:We are one of the GF who took our DD to a VRSc practice for 2009 and already have an offer for next season 2026/27. My question is are those coaches really as bad as people are saying?

What? That's crazy. No one is sending out offers for the 26/27 yet unless your kid is the next Mia Hamm.

That's what you think, but there are many kids across many clubs that already know exactly where they'll be playing next year.... Realistically if you're top 3 or 4 player on a team, you don't think the club has already extended an offer. It's not as if a team is going to be able to bring in say 16 kids better than your current top 3 or 4 players.

Sure but you're telling me some kid who has been playing at GFR Is now considered one of the top 3 or 4 kids on VRSC's 09 team? Find that very hard to believe having a fairly decent knowledge of both of those teams.

Yep, and you haven’t even seen the best ones yet from GFR.

Actually, I have. The best ones left years ago. A couple good players still there but they won’t beat out the current players for starting positions on a team with 22 on the roster already

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They will take 5-6 new players and expect those not getting playing time to quit.

Those who are not 100% committed have already been spoken to. This, together with age a group change, will allow for openings.

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09s don’t need more field players. They lost their one and only goalie for the next year.

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Anonymous wrote:We are one of the GF who took our DD to a VRSc practice for 2009 and already have an offer for next season 2026/27. My question is are those coaches really as bad as people are saying?

What? That's crazy. No one is sending out offers for the 26/27 yet unless your kid is the next Mia Hamm.

That's what you think, but there are many kids across many clubs that already know exactly where they'll be playing next year.... Realistically if you're top 3 or 4 player on a team, you don't think the club has already extended an offer. It's not as if a team is going to be able to bring in say 16 kids better than your current top 3 or 4 players.

Sure but you're telling me some kid who has been playing at GFR Is now considered one of the top 3 or 4 kids on VRSC's 09 team? Find that very hard to believe having a fairly decent knowledge of both of those teams.

Yep, and you haven’t even seen the best ones yet from GFR.

Actually, I have. The best ones left years ago. A couple good players still there but they won’t beat out the current players for starting positions on a team with 22 on the roster already

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They will take 5-6 new players and expect those not getting playing time to quit.

Those who are not 100% committed have already been spoken to. This, together with age a group change, will allow for openings.

Very good point with the age group change; that shifts a lot of players. I always see clubs make room for new money and talent. It’s just hard for parents who have players that are on the bubble to handle this time of year.

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Anonymous wrote:09s don’t need more field players. They lost their one and only goalie for the next year.

except these coaches have no loyalty to your player and they will add new players at existing positions for no reason. The new players aren’t always better and the coach has to justify the investment so they get undeserved playing time.

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Anonymous wrote:We are one of the GF who took our DD to a VRSc practice for 2009 and already have an offer for next season 2026/27. My question is are those coaches really as bad as people are saying?

What? That's crazy. No one is sending out offers for the 26/27 yet unless your kid is the next Mia Hamm.

That's what you think, but there are many kids across many clubs that already know exactly where they'll be playing next year.... Realistically if you're top 3 or 4 player on a team, you don't think the club has already extended an offer. It's not as if a team is going to be able to bring in say 16 kids better than your current top 3 or 4 players.

Sure but you're telling me some kid who has been playing at GFR Is now considered one of the top 3 or 4 kids on VRSC's 09 team? Find that very hard to believe having a fairly decent knowledge of both of those teams.

Yep, and you haven’t even seen the best ones yet from GFR.

Actually, I have. The best ones left years ago. A couple good players still there but they won’t beat out the current players for starting positions on a team with 22 on the roster already

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They will take 5-6 new players and expect those not getting playing time to quit.

Those who are not 100% committed have already been spoken to. This, together with age a group change, will allow for openings.

Coach, you forgot to mention you are trying to grow your club including second teams…like aspire.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the girls who came into the 09’s from either GF, Union or HS teams were not very good. To some, being more athletic looks good on the field, but when they actually have to understand soccer, they fail miserably. The Champions Club teams run circles around them because they are lost on the pitch.

Don't know about the 09's but the 11's had some really good players come out this week. Not sure where they came from? It's open season...

LOL! Clearly posted by a parent of one of those "really good player" 11s.

"i don't know where they came from but it starts with a G and ends with an R.

Sounds like someone is nervous. Good-better-best… and the good aren’t going to cut it.

Good at any decent club would be a top tier player for VRSC. Especially, if they have something in their locker other than two hand shoving the opposition in the back.

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Anonymous wrote:I have high hopes for this group when it comes to getting some enlightened responses, rooted in experience, to a question about player development and team/club performance. I treat the bulk of what transpires on here as satire, but every once in a while, someone adds something truly valuable. I'm hoping that'll be the case with your responses.

For those with older kids who are serious about their soccer training and potential career beyond the club level, what role do you feel a specific club or team coach has made (or could make) in the tactical, skill, and physical development of your player, or an entire team for that matter, outside of the individual/personal/group/non-team training that most do?. In other words, in the NoVA area, have any of the clubs, GA or ECNL, actually proven that they can develop their players, beginning at a young age, to be extremely competitive throughout their pre-college career? Or does a club just look like they're really good at developing talent by performing well in a given year because a large enough group of talented kids leave other clubs and all end up at the same place for a given reason, e.g. their particular age group performed well at said new club so they think it's a great club, or one of the coaches has great college relationships so they go there because they think it'll increase their likelihood of getting recruited, or they want GA vs ECNL or vice versa?

CC is both heavily praised and criticized depending on someone's individual experience. When BP was at FCV, he had a lot of relationships so talented girls went there (don't know if they were always the best in their age group or not) and CC gets the "training" credit of having graduated a lot of talented kids. Were they talented before they got there and he was just the lucky recipient of kids who wanted to leverage BP's relationships, or is he a proven entity when it comes to team-level player development and, if he's not, are any of the coaches or clubs in the NoVA area worthy of such a reputation?

- actual Rev parent

It's a blurry picture and there are plenty of examples in all directions. CC was at FCV for years before BP arrived. CC gets training credit for the girls who were developed pre-BP, and many of the players BP took credit for right after he arrived were developed by CC. They both benefited from each other and claim/deserve some of the credit. They were also both lucky recipients of talented kids. FCV was always known as the place that recruited talented players from other clubs. CC is way more knowledgable about soccer and a better teacher, BP is better at promotion, recruiting players, and has more connections. There is no single best coach/club for a player. It depends on the situation. Is the player raw and needs a lot of soccer development? Are they good at promoting themselves? Do they have a private soccer trainer and work on their own? Are they self motivated? How is their mindset? If a player is talented enough they would have recruiting success at most any ECNL or GA club because they are all going to the same showcases events. Marketing yourself by contacting coaches ahead of events with film and then *standing out* on the pitch at these events is still the recruiting formula.

When FCV got DA, the talent flocked to them. They didn’t develop anyone.

According to a lot people on this forum, most clubs not develop anyone and all kids magically become good. Also, weekly training during certain items a year is much better than concentrated training at any club.

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Anonymous wrote:We are one of the GF who took our DD to a VRSc practice for 2009 and already have an offer for next season 2026/27. My question is are those coaches really as bad as people are saying?

What? That's crazy. No one is sending out offers for the 26/27 yet unless your kid is the next Mia Hamm.

That's what you think, but there are many kids across many clubs that already know exactly where they'll be playing next year.... Realistically if you're top 3 or 4 player on a team, you don't think the club has already extended an offer. It's not as if a team is going to be able to bring in say 16 kids better than your current top 3 or 4 players.

Sure but you're telling me some kid who has been playing at GFR Is now considered one of the top 3 or 4 kids on VRSC's 09 team? Find that very hard to believe having a fairly decent knowledge of both of those teams.

Yep, and you haven’t even seen the best ones yet from GFR.

Actually, I have. The best ones left years ago. A couple good players still there but they won’t beat out the current players for starting positions on a team with 22 on the roster already

.

They will take 5-6 new players and expect those not getting playing time to quit.

Those who are not 100% committed have already been spoken to. This, together with age a group change, will allow for openings.

Very good point with the age group change; that shifts a lot of players. I always see clubs make room for new money and talent. It’s just hard for parents who have players that are on the bubble to handle this time of year.

If your player thinks he/she is on the bubble for next season the player should be looking at all options right now.

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It’s true. Gus bring a bunch of his 2099’s over to force existing players out midway through the season. Cc is the dirtiest player of all.

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Anonymous wrote:I have high hopes for this group when it comes to getting some enlightened responses, rooted in experience, to a question about player development and team/club performance. I treat the bulk of what transpires on here as satire, but every once in a while, someone adds something truly valuable. I'm hoping that'll be the case with your responses.

For those with older kids who are serious about their soccer training and potential career beyond the club level, what role do you feel a specific club or team coach has made (or could make) in the tactical, skill, and physical development of your player, or an entire team for that matter, outside of the individual/personal/group/non-team training that most do?. In other words, in the NoVA area, have any of the clubs, GA or ECNL, actually proven that they can develop their players, beginning at a young age, to be extremely competitive throughout their pre-college career? Or does a club just look like they're really good at developing talent by performing well in a given year because a large enough group of talented kids leave other clubs and all end up at the same place for a given reason, e.g. their particular age group performed well at said new club so they think it's a great club, or one of the coaches has great college relationships so they go there because they think it'll increase their likelihood of getting recruited, or they want GA vs ECNL or vice versa?

CC is both heavily praised and criticized depending on someone's individual experience. When BP was at FCV, he had a lot of relationships so talented girls went there (don't know if they were always the best in their age group or not) and CC gets the "training" credit of having graduated a lot of talented kids. Were they talented before they got there and he was just the lucky recipient of kids who wanted to leverage BP's relationships, or is he a proven entity when it comes to team-level player development and, if he's not, are any of the coaches or clubs in the NoVA area worthy of such a reputation?

- actual Rev parent

It's a blurry picture and there are plenty of examples in all directions. CC was at FCV for years before BP arrived. CC gets training credit for the girls who were developed pre-BP, and many of the players BP took credit for right after he arrived were developed by CC. They both benefited from each other and claim/deserve some of the credit. They were also both lucky recipients of talented kids. FCV was always known as the place that recruited talented players from other clubs. CC is way more knowledgable about soccer and a better teacher, BP is better at promotion, recruiting players, and has more connections. There is no single best coach/club for a player. It depends on the situation. Is the player raw and needs a lot of soccer development? Are they good at promoting themselves? Do they have a private soccer trainer and work on their own? Are they self motivated? How is their mindset? If a player is talented enough they would have recruiting success at most any ECNL or GA club because they are all going to the same showcases events. Marketing yourself by contacting coaches ahead of events with film and then *standing out* on the pitch at these events is still the recruiting formula.

When FCV got DA, the talent flocked to them. They didn’t develop anyone.

According to a lot people on this forum, most clubs not develop anyone and all kids magically become good. Also, weekly training during certain items a year is much better than concentrated training at any club.

There are a bunch of highly ranked national teams in the area, and no good coaches? Seems like kids are popping out of the womb good at soccer and coaches having nothing to do with it - odd. Except not for those of us that had good coaches at younger ages and then when given a bad coach later sought out good coaches for that age group. If you think there are no good coaches in the area you need to leave your club, because there are, you just haven’t experienced them. But you won’t, because that goes against your narrative that there are no good coaches…

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Anonymous wrote:I have high hopes for this group when it comes to getting some enlightened responses, rooted in experience, to a question about player development and team/club performance. I treat the bulk of what transpires on here as satire, but every once in a while, someone adds something truly valuable. I'm hoping that'll be the case with your responses.

For those with older kids who are serious about their soccer training and potential career beyond the club level, what role do you feel a specific club or team coach has made (or could make) in the tactical, skill, and physical development of your player, or an entire team for that matter, outside of the individual/personal/group/non-team training that most do?. In other words, in the NoVA area, have any of the clubs, GA or ECNL, actually proven that they can develop their players, beginning at a young age, to be extremely competitive throughout their pre-college career? Or does a club just look like they're really good at developing talent by performing well in a given year because a large enough group of talented kids leave other clubs and all end up at the same place for a given reason, e.g. their particular age group performed well at said new club so they think it's a great club, or one of the coaches has great college relationships so they go there because they think it'll increase their likelihood of getting recruited, or they want GA vs ECNL or vice versa?

CC is both heavily praised and criticized depending on someone's individual experience. When BP was at FCV, he had a lot of relationships so talented girls went there (don't know if they were always the best in their age group or not) and CC gets the "training" credit of having graduated a lot of talented kids. Were they talented before they got there and he was just the lucky recipient of kids who wanted to leverage BP's relationships, or is he a proven entity when it comes to team-level player development and, if he's not, are any of the coaches or clubs in the NoVA area worthy of such a reputation?

- actual Rev parent

It's a blurry picture and there are plenty of examples in all directions. CC was at FCV for years before BP arrived. CC gets training credit for the girls who were developed pre-BP, and many of the players BP took credit for right after he arrived were developed by CC. They both benefited from each other and claim/deserve some of the credit. They were also both lucky recipients of talented kids. FCV was always known as the place that recruited talented players from other clubs. CC is way more knowledgable about soccer and a better teacher, BP is better at promotion, recruiting players, and has more connections. There is no single best coach/club for a player. It depends on the situation. Is the player raw and needs a lot of soccer development? Are they good at promoting themselves? Do they have a private soccer trainer and work on their own? Are they self motivated? How is their mindset? If a player is talented enough they would have recruiting success at most any ECNL or GA club because they are all going to the same showcases events. Marketing yourself by contacting coaches ahead of events with film and then *standing out* on the pitch at these events is still the recruiting formula.

When FCV got DA, the talent flocked to them. They didn’t develop anyone.

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It’s clear they don’t develop players. They recruit to build only this time it is backfiring on them.