Well, hopefully it passes. I guess you will have to wait for SCOTUS. But, I'm pretty sure that having appropriate ID--which is available to all citizens--is not a poll tax. You need ID for almost everything. |
"All you need," huh. Poll tax. Also, marriage certificate and "whatever documentation" are not listed in the law as acceptable documents. Cite the provision nad quote it here that allows you to use those documents. You can't. Also "solving" a barely existant "problem" is not worth disenfranchising people from their Constitutional rights. If anything, not enough people in this county vote as it is! |
You are intentionally missing the point. The proposed law does not allow you to show those documents. Cite the provision that allows it. |
A citizen can't vote if they misplace their ID on election day. You are OK with that? |
If “appropriate ID” can only by obtained by paying a fee, it’s a poll tax. As has been explained several times in this thread, the one example of a voter ID law that SCOTUS upheld is one where the state provided the necessary ID for free. |
+1 That is what this ultimately boils down to. Constitutionality. |
Actually in many places they can, with a provisional ballot. |
That is only if you have a passport already and are renewing. It is $160 to get one if you don’t have a passport. Drivers licenses are not proof of citizenship, birth certificates are not sufficient if you got married and changed your name. A passport is the most realistic way to prove citizenship and it costs money. They are not free. If you want to require proof of citizenship to vote make passports free and make the effective date for the voter ID portion of the law Jan 1 2028 to make sure people have time to obtain one. The bill does not require or fund any mechanism for people to prove their citizenship without costing money. |
100% ok with that. |
Nothing in the Constitution about it. Most countries cover the costs for voter ID. If the GOP wants Dems support on this, that is what it will take. Maybe ask...why is the GOP opposed to provided these cards for free? |
Yes, they can. They can cast a provisional ballot and then provide necessary documentation later. Happens all the time without issue. |
You want it to pass, so then you can do something like this: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/timeline-event/holocaust/1933-1938/reich-ministry-of-the-interior-invalidates-all-german-passports-held-by-jew No thanks, we have seen that movie before. |
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You do not need a passport. Again, a birth certificate and documentation for name change, if needed is all you need.
This is directly from the SAVE ACT: PROCESS IN CASE OF CERTAIN DISCREPANCIES IN DOCUMENTATION.—Subject to any relevant guidance adopted by the Election Assistance Commission, each State shall establish a process under which an applicant can provide such additional documentation to the appropriate election official of the State as may be necessary to establish that the applicant is a citizen of the United States in the event of a discrepancy with respect to the applicant’s documentary proof of United States citizenship I do not believe a marriage license and a birth certificate are a poll tax. Nevertheless, that is all you need if you changed your name due to marriage. You can argue the poll tax, if you like. But a passport is not needed. And a poll tax was a requirement to vote every time. This is id to register. Once. SCOTUS will decide if it is a poll tax. |
And what documentation you can use to prove that change isn’t in the law— although it easily could be. |
No, it isn’t, you are lying. Absolutely nothing in the law says a marriage license will be an acceptable proof of name change. |