NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

The AP poll said that 60% want Biden to step down. Those are real numbers, not trolls, since the trolls all want him to stay on and lose to Trump. This isn't an elite organized coup. It is everyone coming to the realization that Biden cannot be the candidate. He has declined. He cannot do it.

You can get 60% of people to agree to anything in a poll if you word it correctly. And I guarantee that poll question did not raise any of the very real legal issues associated with trying to get Biden to step down. 90% of the population has no inkling what “replace Joe Biden” actually means.

Here’s one way to ask it:

“Would you support the Democrats replacing Joe Biden with a younger candidate, but at the risk that the new candidate might not appear on all state ballots or get mired in lawsuits?”

“Would you support replacing Joe Biden even if it meant there’s no clear replacement who can beat Donald Trump?”

The question is useless because it doesn’t get at the consequences of what “replace Joe Biden” entails (both positive and negative)

Hmm. Do you think you could get 60% of Republicans to say Yes to replacing Trump? I doubt it.

Because they are trained monkeys. Have you ever tried to have a coherent political discussion with a real MAGA? They talk in circles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

The AP poll said that 60% want Biden to step down. Those are real numbers, not trolls, since the trolls all want him to stay on and lose to Trump. This isn't an elite organized coup. It is everyone coming to the realization that Biden cannot be the candidate. He has declined. He cannot do it.

I'm not seeing anything even remotely like 60% in my social media circle. Most are for staying with Biden.

I need to see a lot more polling along with what specific questions were asked, what demographics, what methodology and so on.. And follow it up with what alternative candidates vs. Trump. Because right now it feels off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

The AP poll said that 60% want Biden to step down. Those are real numbers, not trolls, since the trolls all want him to stay on and lose to Trump. This isn't an elite organized coup. It is everyone coming to the realization that Biden cannot be the candidate. He has declined. He cannot do it.

Oh, because of an AP poll? Give me a break. Do you recall the Gallup poll in the first week in September 2008 - after the R convention- that showed McCain and Palin leading Obama and Biden by 10 points? I do. The polls generally suck and are often pushing an agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

The AP poll said that 60% want Biden to step down. Those are real numbers, not trolls, since the trolls all want him to stay on and lose to Trump. This isn't an elite organized coup. It is everyone coming to the realization that Biden cannot be the candidate. He has declined. He cannot do it.

Oh, because of an AP poll? Give me a break. Do you recall the Gallup poll in the first week in September 2008 - after the R convention- that showed McCain and Palin leading Obama and Biden by 10 points? I do. The polls generally suck and are often pushing an agenda.

DP. Please these are over 70 internal polls that show Biden losing and losing the House and Senate. Trump has a similar set. Our allies have access to this information and it is a sh#t show.

Do you seriously think these well known Democrats are just breaking with Biden for no reason. It is time for the staffers and Democratic apparatchiks to sit down and shut up. You are making things worst.

[Anonymous]

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I don’t believe anyone spewing the crap that Biden was pushed aside for Hillary. He didn’t want to run because Beau had just died.

I do believe it. Biden always trusted Obama and he was the one who told Biden to take more time to mourn his son. I believe Biden would have won. I voted for Obama. Recently, I think he’s arrogant and he’s allegedly one of the first to advise Biden to step down. Their so called friendship was one sided. Always felt like he looked down on Biden.

Obama ain’t a kingmaker, he is a midwit puppet high on his own supply.

He’s not a kingmaker and his own wife is right about Barack being a narcissist or a bit cold and self involved . He looks down on Biden, he looked down on the Congressional Black Caucus too and he let Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton drown. He could’ve stopped the FBI/Comey from starting a Hillary email probe. I don’t know why he even ran for President if he was afraid to use any of the exec privileges and powers of being President except for droning wedding parties and villages overseas. I like the guy and would vote for him again over the two options currently but he was quite flawed and he and Axelrod need to be shoved out as the party brain trust . I know everyone respects Obama but his political instincts weren’t that sharp for anyone but himself and he isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.

I agree with ⬆️ However, McConnell made it very clear, early on that he would prevent Obama from serving a 2nd term. And he meant it! He blocked Obama from filling a Supreme Court vacancy after conservative Justice Scalia died in 2016. This was his plan, and it set the stage that led to the reversal of the Roe v Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide. See the calculated, long game republicans play? They are patient and strike when the iron is hot. Then Mitch, the fking stone face hypocrite confirmed he would allow Donald Trump's SCJ choice if an opening were to occur in the 2020 election cycle— and that kids is how we got duped — Amy Coney Barrett. Additionally, I think Obama was very cognizant of not presenting as an angry black man. He won a 2nd term and it definitely was a left hook for McConnell. But we’re stuck with a stacked court.

Yes McConnell blocked it. That's called the Joe Biden rule on nominations in an election year. See Biden's speech on it on youtube. I think it was in the mid 1990s.

You democrats play these games and then get all outraged when they boomerang back to you. You haven't learned that yet, have you?

DP. Do you know what the Grassley amendment is in the ACA?

It's bad faith negotiation by Republicans.

Whatthefookever. Democrats play their games and Republicans play theirs. Don't act righteous. You aren't.
I'm tired of the infantile whining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t believe anyone spewing the crap that Biden was pushed aside for Hillary. He didn’t want to run because Beau had just died.

I do believe it. Biden always trusted Obama and he was the one who told Biden to take more time to mourn his son. I believe Biden would have won. I voted for Obama. Recently, I think he’s arrogant and he’s allegedly one of the first to advise Biden to step down. Their so called friendship was one sided. Always felt like he looked down on Biden.

Obama ain’t a kingmaker, he is a midwit puppet high on his own supply.

He’s not a kingmaker and his own wife is right about Barack being a narcissist or a bit cold and self involved . He looks down on Biden, he looked down on the Congressional Black Caucus too and he let Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton drown. He could’ve stopped the FBI/Comey from starting a Hillary email probe. I don’t know why he even ran for President if he was afraid to use any of the exec privileges and powers of being President except for droning wedding parties and villages overseas. I like the guy and would vote for him again over the two options currently but he was quite flawed and he and Axelrod need to be shoved out as the party brain trust . I know everyone respects Obama but his political instincts weren’t that sharp for anyone but himself and he isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.

I agree with ⬆️ However, McConnell made it very clear, early on that he would prevent Obama from serving a 2nd term. And he meant it! He blocked Obama from filling a Supreme Court vacancy after conservative Justice Scalia died in 2016. This was his plan, and it set the stage that led to the reversal of the Roe v Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide. See the calculated, long game republicans play? They are patient and strike when the iron is hot. Then Mitch, the fking stone face hypocrite confirmed he would allow Donald Trump's SCJ choice if an opening were to occur in the 2020 election cycle— and that kids is how we got duped — Amy Coney Barrett. Additionally, I think Obama was very cognizant of not presenting as an angry black man. He won a 2nd term and it definitely was a left hook for McConnell. But we’re stuck with a stacked court.

Yes McConnell blocked it. That's called the Joe Biden rule on nominations in an election year. See Biden's speech on it on youtube. I think it was in the mid 1990s.

You democrats play these games and then get all outraged when they boomerang back to you. You haven't learned that yet, have you?

DP. Do you know what the Grassley amendment is in the ACA?

It's bad faith negotiation by Republicans.

Whatthefookever. Democrats play their games and Republicans play theirs. Don't act righteous. You aren't.
I'm tired of the infantile whining.

So you don't know. I guess it was awhile ago, back in 2009. Maybe you're a young 'un and think the mess that we have now is how it should be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

The AP poll said that 60% want Biden to step down. Those are real numbers, not trolls, since the trolls all want him to stay on and lose to Trump. This isn't an elite organized coup. It is everyone coming to the realization that Biden cannot be the candidate. He has declined. He cannot do it.

Oh, because of an AP poll? Give me a break. Do you recall the Gallup poll in the first week in September 2008 - after the R convention- that showed McCain and Palin leading Obama and Biden by 10 points? I do. The polls generally suck and are often pushing an agenda.

DP. Please these are over 70 internal polls that show Biden losing and losing the House and Senate. Trump has a similar set. Our allies have access to this information and it is a sh#t show.

Do you seriously think these well known Democrats are just breaking with Biden for no reason. It is time for the staffers and Democratic apparatchiks to sit down and shut up. You are making things worst.

This is an unprecedented thing, it has never happened before. We are in uncharted territory. But these Dems are not calling for Biden to step down on a whim. This is incredibly serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

The AP poll said that 60% want Biden to step down. Those are real numbers, not trolls, since the trolls all want him to stay on and lose to Trump. This isn't an elite organized coup. It is everyone coming to the realization that Biden cannot be the candidate. He has declined. He cannot do it.

I'm not seeing anything even remotely like 60% in my social media circle. Most are for staying with Biden.

I need to see a lot more polling along with what specific questions were asked, what demographics, what methodology and so on.. And follow it up with what alternative candidates vs. Trump. Because right now it feels off.

Who is your social circle? Because my social circle, an ethnically diverse group of suburban women, want him to step aside. We also don’t think Kamala can win.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Good point about this really ought to be the end of Biden’s second term right now. These same party leaders encouraging him to step down told him not to run in 2016. Who has better instincts?

I don’t believe anyone spewing the crap that Biden was pushed aside for Hillary. He didn’t want to run because Beau had just died.

I do believe it. Biden always trusted Obama and he was the one who told Biden to take more time to mourn his son. I believe Biden would have won. I voted for Obama. Recently, I think he’s arrogant and he’s allegedly one of the first to advise Biden to step down. Their so called friendship was one sided. Always felt like he looked down on Biden.

Obama ain’t a kingmaker, he is a midwit puppet high on his own supply.

He’s not a kingmaker and his own wife is right about Barack being a narcissist or a bit cold and self involved . He looks down on Biden, he looked down on the Congressional Black Caucus too and he let Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton drown. He could’ve stopped the FBI/Comey from starting a Hillary email probe. I don’t know why he even ran for President if he was afraid to use any of the exec privileges and powers of being President except for droning wedding parties and villages overseas. I like the guy and would vote for him again over the two options currently but he was quite flawed and he and Axelrod need to be shoved out as the party brain trust . I know everyone respects Obama but his political instincts weren’t that sharp for anyone but himself and he isn’t as smart as he thinks he is .

Such BS.

I agree with OP. I voted for him twice simply because he was palatable but he is as much a narcissist as all the others who have run for president. I couldn't stand Michelle.

He could have done a lot more for Hillary but he didn't because he didn't want to see his VP on the same level.

What Michelle was running for president? Surely you don't mean Michelle Obama, she has never run for president.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AOC says that the political class (pundits, donors) turned on Biden because of the debate and if they had concerns about age, they should've stated it last year instead of supporting him
She's concerned about legal challenges if Biden is swapped out
states Democrats should not leak their displeasure to journalists, they should "say it with their chest" and go public if they have an opinion
The donors and elites that want Biden to step down, don't want Kamala either. They want a new ticket. Kamala supporters should not get their hopes up!
They have no plan on how to replace Biden and can't answer her questions
Biden does well with old people and unions, and thrives with crowds, struggled due to no audience in the debate
states she's poll skeptic, she has outperformed the polls before, her own private polling had her double digits down from what the result ended up being in the primary this year
says that the Dem members of Congress who want Biden to drop out only voice concern about their donors, not their voters


[youtube] https://youtu.be/mlzNvNFqtBE[/youtube]

AOC is totally off base here, totally mistaken.

As a regular American with reasonable judgment who wants Biden to step aside, I'm a bit insulted that AOC disbelieves in me.

Was she not on the call where Biden attacked the moderate Democrats? Maybe not, if she's not a moderate.

[Anonymous]

Lots of interesting comments on the AOC video.

Here’s one from rural PA:

@mariannesmith7201 • 2h ago
I live in Butler, Pennsylvania, now infamous due to the shooting. I am 61 years old. I am a democratic precinct chair and have been a field Organizer for both HRC and for Biden/Harris. In
2020 | organized in Bucks County, Pennsylvania which turned out to be a very important area for our victory in PA. We flipped Bucks County from red to blue! In Butler, since Trump was initially elected, our democratic committee locally, our volunteer numbers, every aspect of democratic politics in what the corporate media calls "Trump Country" has grown and is energized.
We even got our democratic candidate, Bob Dandoy, elected to office of Mayor of Butler! We also got our democratic candidate, Kevin Boozel, elected and reelected to the office of Butler County Commissioner. This may not sound like much, but if you've worked in a staunchly Republican area for decades - these victories are a huge deal and show steady progress. We have lots of Republicans here who voted for Joe Biden in 2020. We also have Republicans who voted for Trump twice, but after the domestic terrorist attack on our capitol, are now supporting democratic candidates including President Biden. I am so angry at the corporate media - I can't even watch MSNBC anymore and I wrote them to explain why. The Democrats are going to snatch defeat out of the mouth of victory if they keep this bull shit up. mouth of victory if they keep this bull shit up. What the hell is wrong with these people? A lot of my friends from all over the country are mad about this also. They respect, love, and support President Biden and VP Harris. They are staunchly loyal to both of them! If the elite Dems force a change of candidates I stg we are going to lose a bunch of our base. This circular firing squad in the Democratic party must cease! Also - hypothetically speaking - if Joe Biden had cancer or otherwise decided to step down - the
ONLY candidate we will accept at the top of the ticket is Kamala Harris. Period. Theses Biden attackers are discounting a ton of our base and it's extremely infuriating and insulting. Thank you for this thoughtful video, congresswoman Cortez.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good point about this really ought to be the end of Biden’s second term right now. These same party leaders encouraging him to step down told him not to run in 2016. Who has better instincts?

I don’t believe anyone spewing the crap that Biden was pushed aside for Hillary. He didn’t want to run because Beau had just died.

I do believe it. Biden always trusted Obama and he was the one who told Biden to take more time to mourn his son. I believe Biden would have won. I voted for Obama. Recently, I think he’s arrogant and he’s allegedly one of the first to advise Biden to step down. Their so called friendship was one sided. Always felt like he looked down on Biden.

Obama ain’t a kingmaker, he is a midwit puppet high on his own supply.

He’s not a kingmaker and his own wife is right about Barack being a narcissist or a bit cold and self involved . He looks down on Biden, he looked down on the Congressional Black Caucus too and he let Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton drown. He could’ve stopped the FBI/Comey from starting a Hillary email probe. I don’t know why he even ran for President if he was afraid to use any of the exec privileges and powers of being President except for droning wedding parties and villages overseas. I like the guy and would vote for him again over the two options currently but he was quite flawed and he and Axelrod need to be shoved out as the party brain trust . I know everyone respects Obama but his political instincts weren’t that sharp for anyone but himself and he isn’t as smart as he thinks he is .

Such BS.

I agree with OP. I voted for him twice simply because he was palatable but he is as much a narcissist as all the others who have run for president. I couldn't stand Michelle.

He could have done a lot more for Hillary but he didn't because he didn't want to see his VP on the same level.

What Michelle was running for president? Surely you don't mean Michelle Obama, she has never run for president.

Michelle is smarter than them all! She wants nothing to do with this mess .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate.

Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

That’s why this power struggle is happening - whomever gets the nomination is getting the anti-Trump “will crawl a mile over glass to vote against that Orange f#ck” votes. It is actually a pretty easy race at the end of the day because Trump has a “very unfavorable” rating pushing 50%. In other words, he’s already hit his ceiling for support and the inevitable Dem candidate has more avenues to build a coalition of even soft supporters (assuming people show up to vote….which I think they will).

Removing Biden is far too risky for some reasons - legally, reputation of the party, respect for the ballot, etc.

I'm not really even sure what it is that is "happening" - I had a message about Joe stepping down show up in my Facebook feed tonight, sponsored by "Pass The Torch, Joe" - whoever that is. Thing is, there were hundreds and hundreds of comments on it saying "stay the course, Joe" and "ridin with biden" and "I'm with Joe" and "Biden / Harris 2024" and I only saw ONE saying "Biden needs to step down." It really has me thinking there isn't actually all that much popular support and is instead being promoted and orchestrated by a handful of wealthy elites / big donors / lobbyists. Whoever it is hasn't done a good job of testing the waters or gathering data.

I think the point you’re missing is that while Biden has a ton of supporters, it won’t be enough. Margins in presidential races are incredibly thin and Biden is not going to be able to energize the youth and independents. Yes, the die-hards will vote for him, but it won’t be enough.