Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

What should she have done?

call 911 and ask for an ambulance, she might be injured as well

You know she was already turned away from the hospital twice, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Yet another tool who has a lot to say about what not to do — but absolutely nothing to say about what TO do, or even how to get assistance and support in a traumatic situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Have you ever lost a pregnancy? It’s a lot of blood. Tissue is minimal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Those are very unhelpful pages, since clearly we flush thing (e.g. poop, menstrual blood) that are not on the lists.

The body of a fetus is not on either the flush or do not flush list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Interestingly it doesn’t say anything about vomit or huge stools or blood clots of which I have passed many into a toilet bowl.

The males in my family have clogged many a toilet with their bodily expulsions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To add watch this video, they don't recommend flushing fish as they are too large

The reason such a video was made is that people try to flush just about anything down toilets. Ask a plumber. It’s a common way for people to dispose of things. So this woman is hardly an outlier.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Not true.

By 16+ weeks, you’re talking about a fetus that is avocado-sized or larger. Miscarriages happen regularly. Plumbers aren’t regularly extracting 16-22 week fetuses from clogged residential toilets.

I was told to bring the remains in when I had my exam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Have you ever lost a pregnancy? It’s a lot of blood. Tissue is minimal.

Early on, yes. Not at 22 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Have you ever lost a pregnancy? It’s a lot of blood. Tissue is minimal.

Early on, yes. Not at 22 weeks.

What about 19? How do you know what size it was, did you see it yourself?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Not true.

By 16+ weeks, you’re talking about a fetus that is avocado-sized or larger. Miscarriages happen regularly. Plumbers aren’t regularly extracting 16-22 week fetuses from clogged residential toilets.

I was told to bring the remains in when I had my exam.

I wasn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Not true.

By 16+ weeks, you’re talking about a fetus that is avocado-sized or larger. Miscarriages happen regularly. Plumbers aren’t regularly extracting 16-22 week fetuses from clogged residential toilets.

I was told to bring the remains in when I had my exam.

I wasn’t.

I wasn't either, but I did, and they were like, "Why did you bring this?" They fully expected me to dispose of it on my own and suggested I do so. I insisted that they take it because I just couldn't deal with it. FYI, often when there is a loss like this at any stage, what comes out is not and does not look like a human baby, which is why it was lost in the first place. TMI: Mine was a big lump of nothing and kind of looked like a red chicken tender. Not everything that sounds like it has a heartbeat develops into a human or even a human-like form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Not true.

By 16+ weeks, you’re talking about a fetus that is avocado-sized or larger. Miscarriages happen regularly. Plumbers aren’t regularly extracting 16-22 week fetuses from clogged residential toilets.

I was told to bring the remains in when I had my exam.

IF it is developing normally, which clearly this one wasn't. You have no idea what the product of this loss looked like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here is a simple answer on what to flush, if she had learned this we wouldn't be in this predicament, you don't flush corpses, still births, abortions of any size both for plumbing, legal and humanitarian reasons.

Have you ever lost a pregnancy? It’s a lot of blood. Tissue is minimal.

Early on, yes. Not at 22 weeks.

Seriously, you have no idea. It did not develop normally into a viable fetus. It was not alive. You have no idea what developed in her uterus or what she saw when her body expelled it, let alone how big it was. None of us do.

People, if you were not in that bathroom standing in her shoes you need to shut up and reserve your judgement.

And how about some empathy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s say you had a stillbirth at a hospital and later found out the hospital staff tried to flush the 22 week old down the toilet.

Would you sue? Report the event?

I doubt you’d be okay with it. Problem is posters are so emotional about abortion that they can’t logically see how flushing a 22 week old fetus is not okay.

You don’t know that it was a 22 week old. No, you do not.

Some women have abortions at 20-22 weeks for doomed pregnancies. They don’t always deliver intact fetuses and those fetuses might be disposed of in ways you’d not approve of. I had a d&c and the contents of my uterus were sent to an incinerator.

This woman was not in a hospital surrounded by medical professionals who had procedures in place for dealing with a miscarriage or stillbirth.

You weren’t there to know the mental state of this woman who gave birth sitting on a toilet. You didn’t see what the contents of the toilet bowl looked like. You have no idea whether the fetus was covered in blood or toilet or diarrhea or vomit and whether she reflexively reached out and flushed. Because you were not there.

That what trial is for, all evidence will come in, including here state of mind at the time of the crime.

F you. Losing a baby is not a crime. She tried to have the process managed in the correct way with proper health care, and the f'ing state of Ohio made her go home and expel the dead product of conception into her toilet. She was right; Ohio was wrong.