Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

Perhaps they will change the protocols so that the actors are required to check the guns they use.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find this line of argument, "don't you think Alec feels bad?" really odd. I mean, Alec probably does feel bad. But someone is dead, because he aimed a gun at them and fired. If we are supposed to say, "Oh well, it was for a movie so it's okay," sorry but that's not coming from me. I think all workers deserve some bare minimum of safety, like not having guns fired at them. It's not a lot to ask that people refrain from aiming guns at people. I'm confident they can figure out how to manage scenes without aiming deadly weapons at people. If they can't, they should not be making films with guns.

Well, actually, they've thought of this. And there are lots of rules in place on movie sets to keep everyone safe. Every one of those protocols were not followed.

This death had nothing to do with Alec Baldwin. There's blame, plenty to go around. But people who are better at understanding situations than you will apportion it.

Nine of the rules not being followed if the person that pulled the trigger, checked the gun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps they will change the protocols so that the actors are required to check the guns they use.

Every person that handles a gun is supposed to check it. That’s the first rule of handling a gun. being an actor or having additional rules is irrelevant

[Anonymous]

Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

We was also a producer

Alec Baldwin was also an executive producer on the film so presumably he was aware of the hiring of the Asst Director with a reputation for being lax on safety and the hiring of an inexperienced armorer. I’m sure he feels awful but it sounds like this accident was waiting to happen based on the lack of safeguards in place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

An article from a few days ago said it misfired as he pulled it out of the holster

A misfire is when you pull the trigger and the gun does not fire. He 100% pulled the trigger. A gun does not magically go off.

I believe the initial assumption was that there was debris in the gun that got discharged when the trigger was pulled. This seems to not have been the case.

Yes, at first there was speculation that it might have been debris from an improperly cleaned gun. Now, the speculation is that it was a regular, live bullet in the gun, since live ammo was found mixed in with blanks on the premises.

There are accounts that AB was very careful with the prop weapons at all times during shooting. I cannot imagine what horror he must have felt immediately and afterward, feeling the gun fire in his hand and knowing that he killed a woman with it. It's just awful.

Whaaat!?! Where did you read that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

We was also a producer

Alec Baldwin was also an executive producer on the film so presumably he was aware of the hiring of the Asst Director with a reputation for being lax on safety and the hiring of an inexperienced armorer. I’m sure he feels awful but it sounds like this accident was waiting to happen based on the lack of safeguards in place.

JFC how dumb are you? Seriously? Quit being a willful idiot and read the thread. Your ignorance is so boring.

[Anonymous]

NP. From hearing of the lack of safe guards on set and the fact they brought real bullets to play with, I agree it was an accident waiting to happen. I'm sure no one expected the accident be a death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

We was also a producer

Alec Baldwin was also an executive producer on the film so presumably he was aware of the hiring of the Asst Director with a reputation for being lax on safety and the hiring of an inexperienced armorer. I’m sure he feels awful but it sounds like this accident was waiting to happen based on the lack of safeguards in place.

JFC how dumb are you? Seriously? Quit being a willful idiot and read the thread. Your ignorance is so boring.

DP, but I don't understand your objection to the PP's statements. Also, tone down the hostility. This isn't Twitter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

It seems to be so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

We was also a producer

Alec Baldwin was also an executive producer on the film so presumably he was aware of the hiring of the Asst Director with a reputation for being lax on safety and the hiring of an inexperienced armorer. I’m sure he feels awful but it sounds like this accident was waiting to happen based on the lack of safeguards in place.

JFC how dumb are you? Seriously? Quit being a willful idiot and read the thread. Your ignorance is so boring.

DP, but I don't understand your objection to the PP's statements. Also, tone down the hostility. This isn't Twitter.

Baldwin was only a producer, not executive producer. And if it is the person pulling the trigger to ensure safety, why have an armor team on set on anyone else?

So far, just rumors!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

It seems to be so.

So is it your position that only the armorer is responsible for gun safety issues on a set, regardless of their qualifications and suitability for the position?