Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

Because a reasonable person would verify that a gun is not loaded before pulling the trigger. That should take all of 5 seconds. Workers comp is probably the exclusive remedy which means no civil judgments, hopefully the local DA is unimpressed enough with Hollywood to at least charge everyone involved with something

Are you the DA?

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

An article from a few days ago said it misfired as he pulled it out of the holster

A misfire is when you pull the trigger and the gun does not fire. He 100% pulled the trigger. A gun does not magically go off.

I believe the initial assumption was that there was debris in the gun that got discharged when the trigger was pulled. This seems to not have been the case.

Yes, at first there was speculation that it might have been debris from an improperly cleaned gun. Now, the speculation is that it was a regular, live bullet in the gun, since live ammo was found mixed in with blanks on the premises.

There are accounts that AB was very careful with the prop weapons at all times during shooting. I cannot imagine what horror he must have felt immediately and afterward, feeling the gun fire in his hand and knowing that he killed a woman with it. It's just awful.

Even if you're really careful, accidents happen. And I hate to be a dick about it, but if you violate rule #1, don't point a gun at people, you're not as careful as you think. He may been careful on many levels, but not on this critical and elemental rule of safety.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

Because a reasonable person would verify that a gun is not loaded before pulling the trigger. That should take all of 5 seconds. Workers comp is probably the exclusive remedy which means no civil judgments, hopefully the local DA is unimpressed enough with Hollywood to at least charge everyone involved with something

It's a little weird that even if he didn't check the chamber, that the person handing him the gun didn't open the chamber. I don't think I have ever handed someone a gun in which I left the chamber closed. You need to know what you're handing someone.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

An article from a few days ago said it misfired as he pulled it out of the holster

A misfire is when you pull the trigger and the gun does not fire. He 100% pulled the trigger. A gun does not magically go off.

I believe the initial assumption was that there was debris in the gun that got discharged when the trigger was pulled. This seems to not have been the case.

Yes, at first there was speculation that it might have been debris from an improperly cleaned gun. Now, the speculation is that it was a regular, live bullet in the gun, since live ammo was found mixed in with blanks on the premises.

There are accounts that AB was very careful with the prop weapons at all times during shooting. I cannot imagine what horror he must have felt immediately and afterward, feeling the gun fire in his hand and knowing that he killed a woman with it. It's just awful.

Even if you're really careful, accidents happen. And I hate to be a dick about it, but if you violate rule #1, don't point a gun at people, you're not as careful as you think. He may been careful on many levels, but not on this critical and elemental rule of safety.

I am sure he agrees with you, with your implied statement that he should have walked off the set along with everyone else the day before.

Instead he did his job, did what he was supposed to. And was involved in the accident.

No matter how much blame you assign to him, behind your computer, you cannot make him feel any worse than he already does.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

Because a reasonable person would verify that a gun is not loaded before pulling the trigger. That should take all of 5 seconds. Workers comp is probably the exclusive remedy which means no civil judgments, hopefully the local DA is unimpressed enough with Hollywood to at least charge everyone involved with something

It's a little weird that even if he didn't check the chamber, that the person handing him the gun didn't open the chamber. I don't think I have ever handed someone a gun in which I left the chamber closed. You need to know what you're handing someone.

Is it weird, when you consider that the person handing him the gun has currently been fired from this production and had been fired from previous productions for being cavalier about safety? Is that somehow also AB's fault?

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

Because a reasonable person would verify that a gun is not loaded before pulling the trigger. That should take all of 5 seconds. Workers comp is probably the exclusive remedy which means no civil judgments, hopefully the local DA is unimpressed enough with Hollywood to at least charge everyone involved with something

It's a little weird that even if he didn't check the chamber, that the person handing him the gun didn't open the chamber. I don't think I have ever handed someone a gun in which I left the chamber closed. You need to know what you're handing someone.

Is it weird, when you consider that the person handing him the gun has currently been fired from this production and had been fired from previous productions for being cavalier about safety? Is that somehow also AB's fault?

Not checking the chamber should be his fault. Part of gun safety is not trusting people who tell you a gun isn't loaded. It not hard open the gun, look at the cylinder, see that it is empty and close the gun.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

Because a reasonable person would verify that a gun is not loaded before pulling the trigger. That should take all of 5 seconds. Workers comp is probably the exclusive remedy which means no civil judgments, hopefully the local DA is unimpressed enough with Hollywood to at least charge everyone involved with something

It's a little weird that even if he didn't check the chamber, that the person handing him the gun didn't open the chamber. I don't think I have ever handed someone a gun in which I left the chamber closed. You need to know what you're handing someone.

Is it weird, when you consider that the person handing him the gun has currently been fired from this production and had been fired from previous productions for being cavalier about safety? Is that somehow also AB's fault?

Not checking the chamber should be his fault. Part of gun safety is not trusting people who tell you a gun isn't loaded. It not hard open the gun, look at the cylinder, see that it is empty and close the gun.

There's a reason that actors are NOT supposed to do that.

When you become an actor, then you can argue about whether you are allowed to do that before handling a prop gun.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

An article from a few days ago said it misfired as he pulled it out of the holster

A misfire is when you pull the trigger and the gun does not fire. He 100% pulled the trigger. A gun does not magically go off.

I believe the initial assumption was that there was debris in the gun that got discharged when the trigger was pulled. This seems to not have been the case.

Yes, at first there was speculation that it might have been debris from an improperly cleaned gun. Now, the speculation is that it was a regular, live bullet in the gun, since live ammo was found mixed in with blanks on the premises.

There are accounts that AB was very careful with the prop weapons at all times during shooting. I cannot imagine what horror he must have felt immediately and afterward, feeling the gun fire in his hand and knowing that he killed a woman with it. It's just awful.

Even if you're really careful, accidents happen. And I hate to be a dick about it, but if you violate rule #1, don't point a gun at people, you're not as careful as you think. He may been careful on many levels, but not on this critical and elemental rule of safety.

I am sure he agrees with you, with your implied statement that he should have walked off the set along with everyone else the day before.

Instead he did his job, did what he was supposed to. And was involved in the accident.

No matter how much blame you assign to him, behind your computer, you cannot make him feel any worse than he already does.

That isn't my implied statement. My direct statement is that he shouldn't have aimed a gun at a person. I am not saying whether he should have walked out, that's not something I've spent time thinking about.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

Because a reasonable person would verify that a gun is not loaded before pulling the trigger. That should take all of 5 seconds. Workers comp is probably the exclusive remedy which means no civil judgments, hopefully the local DA is unimpressed enough with Hollywood to at least charge everyone involved with something

It's a little weird that even if he didn't check the chamber, that the person handing him the gun didn't open the chamber. I don't think I have ever handed someone a gun in which I left the chamber closed. You need to know what you're handing someone.

Is it weird, when you consider that the person handing him the gun has currently been fired from this production and had been fired from previous productions for being cavalier about safety? Is that somehow also AB's fault?

Not checking the chamber should be his fault. Part of gun safety is not trusting people who tell you a gun isn't loaded. It not hard open the gun, look at the cylinder, see that it is empty and close the gun.

There's a reason that actors are NOT supposed to do that.

When you become an actor, then you can argue about whether you are allowed to do that before handling a prop gun.

I'd love to know why actors are assumed to be less competent and capable than a child being shown how to use a gun

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

Because a reasonable person would verify that a gun is not loaded before pulling the trigger. That should take all of 5 seconds. Workers comp is probably the exclusive remedy which means no civil judgments, hopefully the local DA is unimpressed enough with Hollywood to at least charge everyone involved with something

It's a little weird that even if he didn't check the chamber, that the person handing him the gun didn't open the chamber. I don't think I have ever handed someone a gun in which I left the chamber closed. You need to know what you're handing someone.

Is it weird, when you consider that the person handing him the gun has currently been fired from this production and had been fired from previous productions for being cavalier about safety? Is that somehow also AB's fault?

Not checking the chamber should be his fault. Part of gun safety is not trusting people who tell you a gun isn't loaded. It not hard open the gun, look at the cylinder, see that it is empty and close the gun.

There's a reason that actors are NOT supposed to do that.

When you become an actor, then you can argue about whether you are allowed to do that before handling a prop gun.

I'd love to know why actors are assumed to be less competent and capable than a child being shown how to use a gun

No, you wouldn't. It's been stated on this thread and elsewhere. Anyone can think about why it is the rule.

You don't like it. So you've ignored it every time it's been stated.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

The producers will, but I don’t know why he’d bear any responsibility as an actor. And there’s a workers compensation question they’ll have to get around first.

Because a reasonable person would verify that a gun is not loaded before pulling the trigger. That should take all of 5 seconds. Workers comp is probably the exclusive remedy which means no civil judgments, hopefully the local DA is unimpressed enough with Hollywood to at least charge everyone involved with something

It's a little weird that even if he didn't check the chamber, that the person handing him the gun didn't open the chamber. I don't think I have ever handed someone a gun in which I left the chamber closed. You need to know what you're handing someone.

Is it weird, when you consider that the person handing him the gun has currently been fired from this production and had been fired from previous productions for being cavalier about safety? Is that somehow also AB's fault?

Not checking the chamber should be his fault. Part of gun safety is not trusting people who tell you a gun isn't loaded. It not hard open the gun, look at the cylinder, see that it is empty and close the gun.

There's a reason that actors are NOT supposed to do that.

When you become an actor, then you can argue about whether you are allowed to do that before handling a prop gun.

I'd love to know why actors are assumed to be less competent and capable than a child being shown how to use a gun

No, you wouldn't. It's been stated on this thread and elsewhere. Anyone can think about why it is the rule.

You don't like it. So you've ignored it every time it's been stated.

Again, so would AB have put that gun to his own head without checking? Yes or No?

It can be the "hollywood" rule that he is not "supposed" to check it, but it's the 1st rule of handling a gun. You check it.

[Anonymous]

I find this line of argument, "don't you think Alec feels bad?" really odd. I mean, Alec probably does feel bad. But someone is dead, because he aimed a gun at them and fired. If we are supposed to say, "Oh well, it was for a movie so it's okay," sorry but that's not coming from me. I think all workers deserve some bare minimum of safety, like not having guns fired at them. It's not a lot to ask that people refrain from aiming guns at people. I'm confident they can figure out how to manage scenes without aiming deadly weapons at people. If they can't, they should not be making films with guns.

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Anonymous wrote:I find this line of argument, "don't you think Alec feels bad?" really odd. I mean, Alec probably does feel bad. But someone is dead, because he aimed a gun at them and fired. If we are supposed to say, "Oh well, it was for a movie so it's okay," sorry but that's not coming from me. I think all workers deserve some bare minimum of safety, like not having guns fired at them. It's not a lot to ask that people refrain from aiming guns at people. I'm confident they can figure out how to manage scenes without aiming deadly weapons at people. If they can't, they should not be making films with guns.

Well, actually, they've thought of this. And there are lots of rules in place on movie sets to keep everyone safe. Every one of those protocols were not followed.

This death had nothing to do with Alec Baldwin. There's blame, plenty to go around. But people who are better at understanding situations than you will apportion it.

[Anonymous]

The gun humpers are going to get so mad when Baldwin isn’t charged with anything. And this thread will go to 200 pages with losers trying to insult him because they served/because their hobby is going to the range.

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Anonymous wrote:The gun humpers are going to get so mad when Baldwin isn’t charged with anything. And this thread will go to 200 pages with losers trying to insult him because they served/because their hobby is going to the range.

What?? I don't think the criticism is that Alec is too careful with guns.