ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:In reality, do you know who cares winning more than the clubs/coaches/players? Let me give you a hint: the crazy parents who pay the money. If team is losing, strong players' parent would look for a new team without a thought.

This is correct and why good teams wont roster Aug players playing down They have enough of a pool to choose from to not mess around with the oddballs.

The oddballs will find each other at a club that let's them play down. Usually this is the cub desperate to field teams. Everyone will get better and they will get worse compared to players their grade in school.

You are assuming the first thing clubs ask about is grade, while they actually are asking about birth date. And you are seeing some clubs provide a voluntary optional form to provide information about a grade. Which tells you that most clubs will be by default based on birthday. So in that case most clubs won't even care about grade to consider whether you're playing up or down based on your grade.

Arlington asked all players their grade in school at tryouts this year..

The one where ECNL players weren't included?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a parent of an Aug. My kid prefers to play with his grade because it suits him better socially and I think it makes sense too as he is the strongest and fastest on his BY team. But I fully understand another Aug parent on our team to put his son in a lower grade team as his son is late in his puberty, small, sitting on the bench on our team most of the time.

Do you believe less talented Aug birthdays playing down should be on A teams or should they be put on a correct grade in school B team?

This is the issue. If they're playing down on an A team players and parents would look at that player as stealing a roster spot from a kid in the correct grade.

Our age group’s B team is also very competitive and beats the younger A team consistently. This kid is very technical just small in his age group now. He can play a much bigger role in the younger group. In highly competitive clubs, no one care much about other parents feelings. Everyone wants play time and bigger role, You can either compete or not

Well, most people disagree with you're playing down scenario. Not only would they be play on a team with kids a younger grade in school. They'd also be taking a roster spot from a kid the correct grade/age for the team. Also if the corrext grade B team was competitive there’s literally no justification. Players would develop better on the B team.

Case by case, nobody on high competitive teams forced to play on grade. You get to decide for your kid and fight with the club to let them play up if you want grade year so bad.

No coach is taking your kid on their good team just because of their school grade

Works both ways Clubs wont let Aug birthdays play down just to be the biggest on the team. You need to develop withh players your grade to get recruited by college coaches

False, college coaches explicitly told 3 clubs and Facebook that you do not need to develop with your grade to get recruited for college. And recruiting is push and show interest not waiting to be found.

False, college coaches only said that they will not communicate with players before their Junior year in HS. This is a NCAA recruiting rule.

The club you're referring to is planning to play all Aug birthdays with their correct grade in school team. This decision was based on college coachs feedback.

Since you're lieing again heres the link

https://youtu.be/H_MCwT85...Y?&t=5m19s

That video is not available.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In reality, do you know who cares winning more than the clubs/coaches/players? Let me give you a hint: the crazy parents who pay the money. If team is losing, strong players' parent would look for a new team without a thought.

This is correct and why good teams wont roster Aug players playing down They have enough of a pool to choose from to not mess around with the oddballs.

The oddballs will find each other at a club that let's them play down. Usually this is the cub desperate to field teams. Everyone will get better and they will get worse compared to players their grade in school.

You are assuming the first thing clubs ask about is grade, while they actually are asking about birth date. And you are seeing some clubs provide a voluntary optional form to provide information about a grade. Which tells you that most clubs will be by default based on birthday. So in that case most clubs won't even care about grade to consider whether you're playing up or down based on your grade.

Arlington asked all players their grade in school at tryouts this year..

The one where ECNL players weren't included?

They asked all players their grade in school

They didn't need to ask ECNL players their grade in school because its already on every players ECNL players profile.

Keep trying

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Anonymous wrote:I am a parent of an Aug. My kid prefers to play with his grade because it suits him better socially and I think it makes sense too as he is the strongest and fastest on his BY team. But I fully understand another Aug parent on our team to put his son in a lower grade team as his son is late in his puberty, small, sitting on the bench on our team most of the time.

Do you believe less talented Aug birthdays playing down should be on A teams or should they be put on a correct grade in school B team?

This is the issue. If they're playing down on an A team players and parents would look at that player as stealing a roster spot from a kid in the correct grade.

Our age group’s B team is also very competitive and beats the younger A team consistently. This kid is very technical just small in his age group now. He can play a much bigger role in the younger group. In highly competitive clubs, no one care much about other parents feelings. Everyone wants play time and bigger role, You can either compete or not

Well, most people disagree with you're playing down scenario. Not only would they be play on a team with kids a younger grade in school. They'd also be taking a roster spot from a kid the correct grade/age for the team. Also if the corrext grade B team was competitive there’s literally no justification. Players would develop better on the B team.

Case by case, nobody on high competitive teams forced to play on grade. You get to decide for your kid and fight with the club to let them play up if you want grade year so bad.

No coach is taking your kid on their good team just because of their school grade

Works both ways Clubs wont let Aug birthdays play down just to be the biggest on the team. You need to develop withh players your grade to get recruited by college coaches

Another ECNL club ...

Will this impact college recruiting?
The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team.

https://www.eastsidefc.org/agegroups

Thats not how it worked pre 2017 (before switching to BY) which is why you never heard of players playing down back then. Everyone played on their grade in school team.

Some 5% of players -- an average of 1 team played not in the correct grade last time.

Not on good teams. I never saw it or heard about it.

And I believe you said you were a parent with a kid on a high-level time, right? So, just because you never noticed meant it never happened? That's rich. Be curious, dude!

There would have beeN no real way to notice. Kids don't run around the field with grade numbers on their backs.

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Anonymous wrote:In reality, do you know who cares winning more than the clubs/coaches/players? Let me give you a hint: the crazy parents who pay the money. If team is losing, strong players' parent would look for a new team without a thought.

This is correct and why good teams wont roster Aug players playing down They have enough of a pool to choose from to not mess around with the oddballs.

The oddballs will find each other at a club that let's them play down. Usually this is the cub desperate to field teams. Everyone will get better and they will get worse compared to players their grade in school.

You are assuming the first thing clubs ask about is grade, while they actually are asking about birth date. And you are seeing some clubs provide a voluntary optional form to provide information about a grade. Which tells you that most clubs will be by default based on birthday. So in that case most clubs won't even care about grade to consider whether you're playing up or down based on your grade.

Arlington asked all players their grade in school at tryouts this year..

The one where ECNL players weren't included?

They asked all players their grade in school

They didn't need to ask ECNL players their grade in school because its already on every players ECNL players profile.

Keep trying

You're the one ignoring reality. They've been talking about grade throughout this process and spoiler, they told us what they're doing!

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

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Anonymous wrote:I am a parent of an Aug. My kid prefers to play with his grade because it suits him better socially and I think it makes sense too as he is the strongest and fastest on his BY team. But I fully understand another Aug parent on our team to put his son in a lower grade team as his son is late in his puberty, small, sitting on the bench on our team most of the time.

Do you believe less talented Aug birthdays playing down should be on A teams or should they be put on a correct grade in school B team?

This is the issue. If they're playing down on an A team players and parents would look at that player as stealing a roster spot from a kid in the correct grade.

Our age group’s B team is also very competitive and beats the younger A team consistently. This kid is very technical just small in his age group now. He can play a much bigger role in the younger group. In highly competitive clubs, no one care much about other parents feelings. Everyone wants play time and bigger role, You can either compete or not

Well, most people disagree with you're playing down scenario. Not only would they be play on a team with kids a younger grade in school. They'd also be taking a roster spot from a kid the correct grade/age for the team. Also if the corrext grade B team was competitive there’s literally no justification. Players would develop better on the B team.

Case by case, nobody on high competitive teams forced to play on grade. You get to decide for your kid and fight with the club to let them play up if you want grade year so bad.

No coach is taking your kid on their good team just because of their school grade

Works both ways Clubs wont let Aug birthdays play down just to be the biggest on the team. You need to develop withh players your grade to get recruited by college coaches

False, college coaches explicitly told 3 clubs and Facebook that you do not need to develop with your grade to get recruited for college. And recruiting is push and show interest not waiting to be found.

False, college coaches only said that they will not communicate with players before their Junior year in HS. This is a NCAA recruiting rule.

The club you're referring to is planning to play all Aug birthdays with their correct grade in school team. This decision was based on college coachs feedback.

Since you're lieing again heres the link

https://youtu.be/H_MCwT85...Y?&t=5m19s

That video is not available.

Does this one work?
https://youtu.be/H_MCwT85SKY?&t=5m19s

[Anonymous]

You people are giving the MLS Next people additional fuel to call ECNL parents nutz

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are giving the MLS Next people additional fuel to call ECNL parents nutz

Except it's just one guy.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a parent of an Aug. My kid prefers to play with his grade because it suits him better socially and I think it makes sense too as he is the strongest and fastest on his BY team. But I fully understand another Aug parent on our team to put his son in a lower grade team as his son is late in his puberty, small, sitting on the bench on our team most of the time.

Do you believe less talented Aug birthdays playing down should be on A teams or should they be put on a correct grade in school B team?

This is the issue. If they're playing down on an A team players and parents would look at that player as stealing a roster spot from a kid in the correct grade.

Our age group’s B team is also very competitive and beats the younger A team consistently. This kid is very technical just small in his age group now. He can play a much bigger role in the younger group. In highly competitive clubs, no one care much about other parents feelings. Everyone wants play time and bigger role, You can either compete or not

Well, most people disagree with you're playing down scenario. Not only would they be play on a team with kids a younger grade in school. They'd also be taking a roster spot from a kid the correct grade/age for the team. Also if the corrext grade B team was competitive there’s literally no justification. Players would develop better on the B team.

Case by case, nobody on high competitive teams forced to play on grade. You get to decide for your kid and fight with the club to let them play up if you want grade year so bad.

No coach is taking your kid on their good team just because of their school grade

Works both ways Clubs wont let Aug birthdays play down just to be the biggest on the team. You need to develop withh players your grade to get recruited by college coaches

Another ECNL club ...

Will this impact college recruiting?
The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team.

https://www.eastsidefc.org/agegroups

Thats not how it worked pre 2017 (before switching to BY) which is why you never heard of players playing down back then. Everyone played on their grade in school team.

Some 5% of players -- an average of 1 team played not in the correct grade last time.

Not on good teams. I never saw it or heard about it.

And I believe you said you were a parent with a kid on a high-level time, right? So, just because you never noticed meant it never happened? That's rich. Be curious, dude!

There would have beeN no real way to notice. Kids don't run around the field with grade numbers on their backs.

Ok 👍 whatever you want to believe. I never saw or heard of players playing down because we switched to BY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are just being more transparent with their intentions. Age troll should take the hint. Aug birthdays playing with their grade will happen. Clubs just wont tell you that they're doing it.

Yep, here's the hint for Aug guy ... Sporting Blue Valley in Kansas -- an ECNL club ...

"School Grade is Irrelevant: It is much easier to consider the new age-group
placement as relative to the August 1st cutoff and is not tied to their school grade
level (whether they have been held back or are ahead)."

Page 19

"Can players play up a grade level?
SURVEY - Playing Up
SBV will retain the same policy we’ve always had: A player may play up an age
group only if they make the top team in that older division.
❖ Exceptions: Exceptions are rare and reserved for specific Goalkeeper situations
or to combine two small player pools to form a viable team.
Why we aren't delaying the changes:
❖ We have chosen to "rip the Band-Aid off" rather than kick the can down the road.
❖ While we could artificially keep current teams together by moving everyone to
an older age group, we would eventually be forced to fix it.
❖ We believe it is better to realign correctly now. This avoids years of confusion
and temporary fixes, ensuring every player is on the correct long-term
development path immediately"

https://storage.googleapis.com/msgsndr/YNEbnN...173966b1e3b3b9c2.pdf

For those in the back AND because Aug guy likes to go on comment storms to push away evidence that he doesn't like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In reality, do you know who cares winning more than the clubs/coaches/players? Let me give you a hint: the crazy parents who pay the money. If team is losing, strong players' parent would look for a new team without a thought.

This is correct and why good teams wont roster Aug players playing down They have enough of a pool to choose from to not mess around with the oddballs.

The oddballs will find each other at a club that let's them play down. Usually this is the cub desperate to field teams. Everyone will get better and they will get worse compared to players their grade in school.

You are assuming the first thing clubs ask about is grade, while they actually are asking about birth date. And you are seeing some clubs provide a voluntary optional form to provide information about a grade. Which tells you that most clubs will be by default based on birthday. So in that case most clubs won't even care about grade to consider whether you're playing up or down based on your grade.

Arlington asked all players their grade in school at tryouts this year..

Arlington has been very transparent. Playing up on age is mainly based on talent and is an exception. If Arlington is the best you can do to prove your point that competitive teams are forcing kids to play on grade, you lost because they aren't and said so.

Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a parent of an Aug. My kid prefers to play with his grade because it suits him better socially and I think it makes sense too as he is the strongest and fastest on his BY team. But I fully understand another Aug parent on our team to put his son in a lower grade team as his son is late in his puberty, small, sitting on the bench on our team most of the time.

Do you believe less talented Aug birthdays playing down should be on A teams or should they be put on a correct grade in school B team?

This is the issue. If they're playing down on an A team players and parents would look at that player as stealing a roster spot from a kid in the correct grade.

Our age group’s B team is also very competitive and beats the younger A team consistently. This kid is very technical just small in his age group now. He can play a much bigger role in the younger group. In highly competitive clubs, no one care much about other parents feelings. Everyone wants play time and bigger role, You can either compete or not

Well, most people disagree with you're playing down scenario. Not only would they be play on a team with kids a younger grade in school. They'd also be taking a roster spot from a kid the correct grade/age for the team. Also if the corrext grade B team was competitive there’s literally no justification. Players would develop better on the B team.

Case by case, nobody on high competitive teams forced to play on grade. You get to decide for your kid and fight with the club to let them play up if you want grade year so bad.

No coach is taking your kid on their good team just because of their school grade

Works both ways Clubs wont let Aug birthdays play down just to be the biggest on the team. You need to develop withh players your grade to get recruited by college coaches

Another ECNL club ...

Will this impact college recruiting?
The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team.

https://www.eastsidefc.org/agegroups

Thats not how it worked pre 2017 (before switching to BY) which is why you never heard of players playing down back then. Everyone played on their grade in school team.

Some 5% of players -- an average of 1 team played not in the correct grade last time.

Not on good teams. I never saw it or heard about it.

And I believe you said you were a parent with a kid on a high-level time, right? So, just because you never noticed meant it never happened? That's rich. Be curious, dude!

There would have beeN no real way to notice. Kids don't run around the field with grade numbers on their backs.

Ok 👍 whatever you want to believe. I never saw or heard of players playing down because we switched to BY.

The way clubs got around playing down is they dual rostered Aug birthdays on two grade level teams. This way they appeared to be on a correct grade in school team to college recruiters but played down other times.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a parent of an Aug. My kid prefers to play with his grade because it suits him better socially and I think it makes sense too as he is the strongest and fastest on his BY team. But I fully understand another Aug parent on our team to put his son in a lower grade team as his son is late in his puberty, small, sitting on the bench on our team most of the time.

Do you believe less talented Aug birthdays playing down should be on A teams or should they be put on a correct grade in school B team?

This is the issue. If they're playing down on an A team players and parents would look at that player as stealing a roster spot from a kid in the correct grade.

Our age group’s B team is also very competitive and beats the younger A team consistently. This kid is very technical just small in his age group now. He can play a much bigger role in the younger group. In highly competitive clubs, no one care much about other parents feelings. Everyone wants play time and bigger role, You can either compete or not

Well, most people disagree with you're playing down scenario. Not only would they be play on a team with kids a younger grade in school. They'd also be taking a roster spot from a kid the correct grade/age for the team. Also if the corrext grade B team was competitive there’s literally no justification. Players would develop better on the B team.

Case by case, nobody on high competitive teams forced to play on grade. You get to decide for your kid and fight with the club to let them play up if you want grade year so bad.

No coach is taking your kid on their good team just because of their school grade

Works both ways Clubs wont let Aug birthdays play down just to be the biggest on the team. You need to develop withh players your grade to get recruited by college coaches

Another ECNL club ...

Will this impact college recruiting?
The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team.

https://www.eastsidefc.org/agegroups

Thats not how it worked pre 2017 (before switching to BY) which is why you never heard of players playing down back then. Everyone played on their grade in school team.

Some 5% of players -- an average of 1 team played not in the correct grade last time.

Not on good teams. I never saw it or heard about it.

And I believe you said you were a parent with a kid on a high-level time, right? So, just because you never noticed meant it never happened? That's rich. Be curious, dude!

There would have beeN no real way to notice. Kids don't run around the field with grade numbers on their backs.

Ok 👍 whatever you want to believe. I never saw or heard of players playing down because we switched to BY.

You don't see a lot of things. Like how to spell lieing or argueing correctly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some clubs are just being more transparent with their intentions. Age troll should take the hint. Aug birthdays playing with their grade will happen. Clubs just wont tell you that they're doing it.

Yep, here's the hint for Aug guy ... Sporting Blue Valley in Kansas -- an ECNL club ...

"School Grade is Irrelevant: It is much easier to consider the new age-group
placement as relative to the August 1st cutoff and is not tied to their school grade
level (whether they have been held back or are ahead)."

Page 19

"Can players play up a grade level?
SURVEY - Playing Up
SBV will retain the same policy we’ve always had: A player may play up an age
group only if they make the top team in that older division.
❖ Exceptions: Exceptions are rare and reserved for specific Goalkeeper situations
or to combine two small player pools to form a viable team.
Why we aren't delaying the changes:
❖ We have chosen to "rip the Band-Aid off" rather than kick the can down the road.
❖ While we could artificially keep current teams together by moving everyone to
an older age group, we would eventually be forced to fix it.
❖ We believe it is better to realign correctly now. This avoids years of confusion
and temporary fixes, ensuring every player is on the correct long-term
development path immediately"

https://storage.googleapis.com/msgsndr/YNEbnN...173966b1e3b3b9c2.pdf

For those in the back AND because Aug guy likes to go on comment storms to push away evidence that he doesn't like.

Hahahaha mr rage post.

We all know its you because the responses happen all in the span of a couple of minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a parent of an Aug. My kid prefers to play with his grade because it suits him better socially and I think it makes sense too as he is the strongest and fastest on his BY team. But I fully understand another Aug parent on our team to put his son in a lower grade team as his son is late in his puberty, small, sitting on the bench on our team most of the time.

Do you believe less talented Aug birthdays playing down should be on A teams or should they be put on a correct grade in school B team?

This is the issue. If they're playing down on an A team players and parents would look at that player as stealing a roster spot from a kid in the correct grade.

Our age group’s B team is also very competitive and beats the younger A team consistently. This kid is very technical just small in his age group now. He can play a much bigger role in the younger group. In highly competitive clubs, no one care much about other parents feelings. Everyone wants play time and bigger role, You can either compete or not

Well, most people disagree with you're playing down scenario. Not only would they be play on a team with kids a younger grade in school. They'd also be taking a roster spot from a kid the correct grade/age for the team. Also if the corrext grade B team was competitive there’s literally no justification. Players would develop better on the B team.

Case by case, nobody on high competitive teams forced to play on grade. You get to decide for your kid and fight with the club to let them play up if you want grade year so bad.

No coach is taking your kid on their good team just because of their school grade

Works both ways Clubs wont let Aug birthdays play down just to be the biggest on the team. You need to develop withh players your grade to get recruited by college coaches

Another ECNL club ...

Will this impact college recruiting?
The new two-year age group structure will not negatively impact college recruiting. College coaches evaluate players based on their performance, development, and potential—not the exact age grouping of their club team.

https://www.eastsidefc.org/agegroups

Thats not how it worked pre 2017 (before switching to BY) which is why you never heard of players playing down back then. Everyone played on their grade in school team.

Some 5% of players -- an average of 1 team played not in the correct grade last time.

Not on good teams. I never saw it or heard about it.

And I believe you said you were a parent with a kid on a high-level time, right? So, just because you never noticed meant it never happened? That's rich. Be curious, dude!

There would have beeN no real way to notice. Kids don't run around the field with grade numbers on their backs.

Ok 👍 whatever you want to believe. I never saw or heard of players playing down because we switched to BY.

You don't see a lot of things. Like how to spell lieing or argueing correctly.

You sit on this thread 24/4 trying to make your dream of kids playing down a reality