Prince Philip has died...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay good people of DCUM.. what's with the uniforms????? More and more this looks like the funeral is being downgraded and downgraded and downgraded...
While the covid took care of the size of the ceremony, there are those other things like.. the very informal car that will carry him which is very informal, and now the uniforms down the tubes.. It almost looks like someone does not like his funeral to be fancy.
Yes, yes.. I know .. I hear you saying.... this was his wish.. but we also know that the guy was pretty self center and it is hard to believe that it truly was his choice but of course once a person is gone, you can never prove anyone wrong..

If Phillip had died at a more 'convenient' time he would have gotten all the flash bang-bang of the Queen Mother's 200,000 person funeral. But 125,000 people have died in 12 months in the UK (its only 2nd to the US in Covid death rates) and because of Covid restrictions they were only allowed to have 4 mourners. Most of them didn't even get to see their relative in person before they died.

Hence -- the problems with Phillip's funeral.

It could be played the other way too...

BECAUSE so many people died, BECAUSE so many people could not attend their family funerals, this death and funeral of the Prince
who was their co-liege for the last century somehow expressed and fused into their own suffering could help them
to express their grief and presence at those funerals that they could not attend. It could have been very easily turned into
a national grief channeling and it would not be a bad thing.

Similarly like with Princess Di.. HOW many people did actually knew her personally to miss or grief after har that much?
It was not so much about her as much about unifying with the whole world and expressing their own grief of their own loses
and this was some kind of universal catharsis to a degree..

Just as with Phillip funeral, this could have been very well.. an opportunity to grief and mourn for everyone and experience a form of therapy through this.

But that is just me thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is the Queen didn't want to hurt Harry's feefees and decided that if he can't wear his uniform, then by golly, no one else will, either.

Wait, without the royal titles and blah de blah Harry is still a veteran - he couldn’t wear a dress uniform just for that?

The U.K. has quite the hilarious rule that actual veterans under the label of Major cannot wear their dress uniforms...ever.

Prince Harry rose to the rank of Captain and the BRF pulled him from service because they knew if he rose one additional level he'd be able to wear his dress uniform in perpetuity. Not to mention outrank William.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is the Queen didn't want to hurt Harry's feefees and decided that if he can't wear his uniform, then by golly, no one else will, either.

The uniform thing was about Andrew. He asked to wear an admiral's suit and the outrage was uniform. So he wasn't getting what he wanted and on top of that he/Harry would have been the only royals without active military service not in uniform while the rest of the royals looked like idiots dressed up with 4 weeks in marine training between them.

It is just so funny how this uniform thing is so un-uniform..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is the Queen didn't want to hurt Harry's feefees and decided that if he can't wear his uniform, then by golly, no one else will, either.

it looks ridiculous is the royal who served in combat is the only one not allowed to wear a uniform

I’m aware of zero countries where the criteria for whether you should wear a uniform is having served in combat. Do you know of any?

[Anonymous]

It is really so childish, all the same, they invent the ranks, unforms, medals and so they can pin them on themselves and parade as much as any toddler before Halloween who never seen a combat. At the end of the day, does it really matter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay good people of DCUM.. what's with the uniforms????? More and more this looks like the funeral is being downgraded and downgraded and downgraded...
While the covid took care of the size of the ceremony, there are those other things like.. the very informal car that will carry him which is very informal, and now the uniforms down the tubes.. It almost looks like someone does not like his funeral to be fancy.
Yes, yes.. I know .. I hear you saying.... this was his wish.. but we also know that the guy was pretty self center and it is hard to believe that it truly was his choice but of course once a person is gone, you can never prove anyone wrong..

If Phillip had died at a more 'convenient' time he would have gotten all the flash bang-bang of the Queen Mother's 200,000 person funeral. But 125,000 people have died in 12 months in the UK (its only 2nd to the US in Covid death rates) and because of Covid restrictions they were only allowed to have 4 mourners. Most of them didn't even get to see their relative in person before they died.

Hence -- the problems with Phillip's funeral.

It could be played the other way too...

BECAUSE so many people died, BECAUSE so many people could not attend their family funerals, this death and funeral of the Prince
who was their co-liege for the last century somehow expressed and fused into their own suffering could help them
to express their grief and presence at those funerals that they could not attend. It could have been very easily turned into
a national grief channeling and it would not be a bad thing.

Similarly like with Princess Di.. HOW many people did actually knew her personally to miss or grief after har that much?
It was not so much about her as much about unifying with the whole world and expressing their own grief of their own loses
and this was some kind of universal catharsis to a degree..

Just as with Phillip funeral, this could have been very well.. an opportunity to grief and mourn for everyone and experience a form of therapy through this.

But that is just me thinking.

I see what you're saying but they tried that 'let's help the country grieve and put on a big celebration' to win hearts. In the middle of the pandemic. With Princess Beatrice's wedding. They where loudly told were they could shove their collective 'let's celebrate the royals' idea.

That much became apparent when the Daily Express reported that Princess Beatrice and Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi were planning a grand ceremony in 2021 to "lift the nation's spirits"—and the nation quickly rejected the idea on Twitter. Beatrice began trending in the U.K., and while I'll steer clear of embedding the angriest tweets, allow me to summarize the sentiment: Many didn't feel that an elaborate, taxpayer-funded royal wedding would make them feel much better about the devastating social, economic, and personal impact of coronavirus.

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a32167698/princess-beatrice-wedding-plans-internet/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1268764/princess-beatrice-wedding-coronavirus-update-royal-wedding-news-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is the Queen didn't want to hurt Harry's feefees and decided that if he can't wear his uniform, then by golly, no one else will, either.

it looks ridiculous is the royal who served in combat is the only one not allowed to wear a uniform

I’m aware of zero countries where the criteria for whether you should wear a uniform is having served in combat. Do you know of any?

Technicalities PP..

Most of DCUM is not much military concerned, it is more about the looks and feels.. and it is kind of funny to see a chest covered with one inch of metal and ten yards of ribbon and wondering where in heaven all those medals came from if not from self adoration .. because you say.. the uniform does not mean combat,... but so don't the medals right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is the Queen didn't want to hurt Harry's feefees and decided that if he can't wear his uniform, then by golly, no one else will, either.

it looks ridiculous is the royal who served in combat is the only one not allowed to wear a uniform

I’m aware of zero countries where the criteria for whether you should wear a uniform is having served in combat. Do you know of any?

most democracies don't really care one way or the other

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay good people of DCUM.. what's with the uniforms????? More and more this looks like the funeral is being downgraded and downgraded and downgraded...
While the covid took care of the size of the ceremony, there are those other things like.. the very informal car that will carry him which is very informal, and now the uniforms down the tubes.. It almost looks like someone does not like his funeral to be fancy.
Yes, yes.. I know .. I hear you saying.... this was his wish.. but we also know that the guy was pretty self center and it is hard to believe that it truly was his choice but of course once a person is gone, you can never prove anyone wrong..

If Phillip had died at a more 'convenient' time he would have gotten all the flash bang-bang of the Queen Mother's 200,000 person funeral. But 125,000 people have died in 12 months in the UK (its only 2nd to the US in Covid death rates) and because of Covid restrictions they were only allowed to have 4 mourners. Most of them didn't even get to see their relative in person before they died.

Hence -- the problems with Phillip's funeral.

It could be played the other way too...

BECAUSE so many people died, BECAUSE so many people could not attend their family funerals, this death and funeral of the Prince
who was their co-liege for the last century somehow expressed and fused into their own suffering could help them
to express their grief and presence at those funerals that they could not attend. It could have been very easily turned into
a national grief channeling and it would not be a bad thing.

Similarly like with Princess Di.. HOW many people did actually knew her personally to miss or grief after har that much?
It was not so much about her as much about unifying with the whole world and expressing their own grief of their own loses
and this was some kind of universal catharsis to a degree..

Just as with Phillip funeral, this could have been very well.. an opportunity to grief and mourn for everyone and experience a form of therapy through this.

But that is just me thinking.

I see what you're saying but they tried that 'let's help the country grieve and put on a big celebration' to win hearts. In the middle of the pandemic. With Princess Beatrice's wedding. They where loudly told were they could shove their collective 'let's celebrate the royals' idea.

That much became apparent when the Daily Express reported that Princess Beatrice and Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi were planning a grand ceremony in 2021 to "lift the nation's spirits"—and the nation quickly rejected the idea on Twitter. Beatrice began trending in the U.K., and while I'll steer clear of embedding the angriest tweets, allow me to summarize the sentiment: Many didn't feel that an elaborate, taxpayer-funded royal wedding would make them feel much better about the devastating social, economic, and personal impact of coronavirus.

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a32167698/princess-beatrice-wedding-plans-internet/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1268764/princess-beatrice-wedding-coronavirus-update-royal-wedding-news-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi

OH NO! On the contrary.. if I were their PR, which I am not.. yet.

I would STRONGLY advise against the fancy wedding. You see.. this is really bad idea. When the country is knee deep in tears you don't celebrate happy personal high class occasions!

But the funeral? Scaling this down beyond the need was wrong move. I would be against fancy display of the Endless Royal Family but certainly scaled down funeral with full populus access would be thing to do. Also there is a fine balance between too little and too much during any funeral. Over opulent Royal funerals are really a thing of the past because they are expensive and wasteful. But letting crowds in to participate does not cost anything even if the Prince's funeral had 30 people in attendance and fancy car and few uniforms would be fine by me. Not much insensitive but rather unifying in grief.

[Anonymous]

thanks auto correct: populace not populus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay good people of DCUM.. what's with the uniforms????? More and more this looks like the funeral is being downgraded and downgraded and downgraded...
While the covid took care of the size of the ceremony, there are those other things like.. the very informal car that will carry him which is very informal, and now the uniforms down the tubes.. It almost looks like someone does not like his funeral to be fancy.
Yes, yes.. I know .. I hear you saying.... this was his wish.. but we also know that the guy was pretty self center and it is hard to believe that it truly was his choice but of course once a person is gone, you can never prove anyone wrong..

If Phillip had died at a more 'convenient' time he would have gotten all the flash bang-bang of the Queen Mother's 200,000 person funeral. But 125,000 people have died in 12 months in the UK (its only 2nd to the US in Covid death rates) and because of Covid restrictions they were only allowed to have 4 mourners. Most of them didn't even get to see their relative in person before they died.

Hence -- the problems with Phillip's funeral.

It could be played the other way too...

BECAUSE so many people died, BECAUSE so many people could not attend their family funerals, this death and funeral of the Prince
who was their co-liege for the last century somehow expressed and fused into their own suffering could help them
to express their grief and presence at those funerals that they could not attend. It could have been very easily turned into
a national grief channeling and it would not be a bad thing.

Similarly like with Princess Di.. HOW many people did actually knew her personally to miss or grief after har that much?
It was not so much about her as much about unifying with the whole world and expressing their own grief of their own loses
and this was some kind of universal catharsis to a degree..

Just as with Phillip funeral, this could have been very well.. an opportunity to grief and mourn for everyone and experience a form of therapy through this.

But that is just me thinking.

I see what you're saying but they tried that 'let's help the country grieve and put on a big celebration' to win hearts. In the middle of the pandemic. With Princess Beatrice's wedding. They where loudly told were they could shove their collective 'let's celebrate the royals' idea.

That much became apparent when the Daily Express reported that Princess Beatrice and Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi were planning a grand ceremony in 2021 to "lift the nation's spirits"—and the nation quickly rejected the idea on Twitter. Beatrice began trending in the U.K., and while I'll steer clear of embedding the angriest tweets, allow me to summarize the sentiment: Many didn't feel that an elaborate, taxpayer-funded royal wedding would make them feel much better about the devastating social, economic, and personal impact of coronavirus.

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a32167698/princess-beatrice-wedding-plans-internet/
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1268764/princess-beatrice-wedding-coronavirus-update-royal-wedding-news-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi

OH NO! On the contrary.. if I were their PR, which I am not.. yet.

I would STRONGLY advise against the fancy wedding. You see.. this is really bad idea. When the country is knee deep in tears you don't celebrate happy personal high class occasions!

But the funeral? Scaling this down beyond the need was wrong move. I would be against fancy display of the Endless Royal Family but certainly scaled down funeral with full populus access would be thing to do. Also there is a fine balance between too little and too much during any funeral. Over opulent Royal funerals are really a thing of the past because they are expensive and wasteful. But letting crowds in to participate does not cost anything even if the Prince's funeral had 30 people in attendance and fancy car and few uniforms would be fine by me. Not much insensitive but rather unifying in grief.

In a pandemic? The royals would be accused of killing off even more British and its not like the Prime Minister can suddenly throw open the doors of lockdown (which he tried to do with Eat Out to Help Out and sparked a full-blown second wave of Covid infections) without cases rising. You aren't talking about 10,000 people attending these live funerals. Its hundreds of thousands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is the Queen didn't want to hurt Harry's feefees and decided that if he can't wear his uniform, then by golly, no one else will, either.

it looks ridiculous is the royal who served in combat is the only one not allowed to wear a uniform

I’m aware of zero countries where the criteria for whether you should wear a uniform is having served in combat. Do you know of any?

most democracies don't really care one way or the other

No. Many countries have protocol regarding which uniforms should be worn (including medals and other regalia) and by whom. It’s usually not a free for all where anything goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is the Queen didn't want to hurt Harry's feefees and decided that if he can't wear his uniform, then by golly, no one else will, either.

Wait, without the royal titles and blah de blah Harry is still a veteran - he couldn’t wear a dress uniform just for that?

The U.K. has quite the hilarious rule that actual veterans under the label of Major cannot wear their dress uniforms...ever.

Prince Harry rose to the rank of Captain and the BRF pulled him from service because they knew if he rose one additional level he'd be able to wear his dress uniform in perpetuity. Not to mention outrank William.

Link supporting this claim?

[Anonymous]

Is anyone else amused at the fact that Prince Philip's more ardent wish was to be buried in a pick-up truck? He spent 16 years designing this. All he had to do was call Ford to send one over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is the Queen didn't want to hurt Harry's feefees and decided that if he can't wear his uniform, then by golly, no one else will, either.

it looks ridiculous is the royal who served in combat is the only one not allowed to wear a uniform

I’m aware of zero countries where the criteria for whether you should wear a uniform is having served in combat. Do you know of any?

most democracies don't really care one way or the other

No. Many countries have protocol regarding which uniforms should be worn (including medals and other regalia) and by whom. It’s usually not a free for all where anything goes.

PP is correct. Even our country has rules regarding wear of the uniform when you are out of service:

e.g., https://www.ar670.com/2018/12/21/wear-of-the-uniform-by-retired-personnel/