APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

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Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of room to add an extension to Escuela de Key at its current site.

hahahhahaha. tehehehehe. This is a ridiculous idea based on absolutely nothing. I love how the Keep Key on Key advocates insist that APS has to come up with irrefutable data to show that moving is a good idea, but find it appropriate to toss out ridiculous statements such as this one with no data or even grounding in reality to back it up.

What data do you seek? Walk by the escuela. Look at the field. Envision how easily an extension could fit. Are you spatially challenged? Did you score below 120 on the NNAT?

okay- so you are willing to completely take out the field. Picture the current 13 plus buses that stretch all the way through the parking lot and up the street- now picture where another 7-8 buses would go? answer: no room. Picture the parking lot and recognize that every single space is designated to a specific teacher- where would you provide teacher staff parking for another school? Picture the current cluster*** that is car rider pickup on Key blvd- where would doubling those cars go? Picture the playground, and how totally full it is with the current kids, then think about the fact that you have wiped out the field- the only remaining green space-- where would you have this additional school go for both recess and PE?

This is an insane, delusional idea. It is only been put forward as a way to hope for a delay. Attempting to build a second elementary school on this site would be grossly unfair and inequitable for the future students of that school, as well as the future students of Key immersion.

Key has 13 buses? Wow.

If they did expand Key they could add primarily walk-zone to avoid more buses (sorry, Rosslyn).

Or the county could use eminent domain to buy out surrounding properties to expand the parking lot and access. We must think of the greater good here.

Do you appreciate how many millions that would cost and how many years it would be tied up in litigation?

I wouldn’t put it past the county board to seize middle income homeowners property to make room for affordable housing induced overcrowding.

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Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of room to add an extension to Escuela de Key at its current site.

hahahhahaha. tehehehehe. This is a ridiculous idea based on absolutely nothing. I love how the Keep Key on Key advocates insist that APS has to come up with irrefutable data to show that moving is a good idea, but find it appropriate to toss out ridiculous statements such as this one with no data or even grounding in reality to back it up.

What data do you seek? Walk by the escuela. Look at the field. Envision how easily an extension could fit. Are you spatially challenged? Did you score below 120 on the NNAT?

okay- so you are willing to completely take out the field. Picture the current 13 plus buses that stretch all the way through the parking lot and up the street- now picture where another 7-8 buses would go? answer: no room. Picture the parking lot and recognize that every single space is designated to a specific teacher- where would you provide teacher staff parking for another school? Picture the current cluster*** that is car rider pickup on Key blvd- where would doubling those cars go? Picture the playground, and how totally full it is with the current kids, then think about the fact that you have wiped out the field- the only remaining green space-- where would you have this additional school go for both recess and PE?

This is an insane, delusional idea. It is only been put forward as a way to hope for a delay. Attempting to build a second elementary school on this site would be grossly unfair and inequitable for the future students of that school, as well as the future students of Key immersion.

Key has 13 buses? Wow.

If they did expand Key they could add primarily walk-zone to avoid more buses (sorry, Rosslyn).

Or the county could use eminent domain to buy out surrounding properties to expand the parking lot and access. We must think of the greater good here.

Do you appreciate how many millions that would cost and how many years it would be tied up in litigation?

seriously- 'the greater good'? I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. This property is 1 block from the courthouse metro- I'm guessing it is some of the most expensive land in Arlington. So when you say 'there is room to build a second school at the Key site' what you mean is 'when we expand it after spending 10 of millions of dollars acquiring additional property around the site.' The more I see this, the more I know that those who are proposing it no good and well that it is a complete impossibility- they are just using it as a delay tactic. Then of course lots of people who know nothing are glomming on to it assuming that someone has actually studied this and found it reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:Title I schools get extra federal funding. Are you saying you're pissed because you think money is being wasted on extra late buses, or are you resentful and dissatisfied with your school's enrichment offerings?

New poster here, but title I money isn’t like topping off the gas tank, or some general slush fund that can be spent on anything and make things equal with non title I schools with well funded ptas. My understanding is that it gets spent on classroom instruction mostly, and remedial instruction.

Exactly right. Title 1 funds are restricted in their use. I am almost positive they could neither be used for transportation, nor for any after school enrichment. Many (and possibly most) Title 1 schools have limited or non-existent PTA-funded enrichment programs. Children primarily attend aftercare or go home to a care giver, and those who live in specific properties (some CAFs) attend special after school programs at their buildings.

Current 4-5th graders will be in MS by the time this happens, if it happens. K-3 graders might have to choose whether or not to move with the immersion program. Some (possibly many) may actually live closer to the new location since the lottery changed to not have neighborhood preference a couple years ago. APS has said it will help the families who want to make the transition do so. The Key PTA should focus on holding APS to that promise and helping figure out how and what their community needs to make a new location work.

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No chance the county uses eminent domain to acquire property for APS. The county has already identified potentially viable county-owned sites. They’ve also expressed a willingness to engage in private-public partnerships. Only after all of those options are completely exhausted would anyone even consider eminent domain. Seriously this conversation is just silly.

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Anonymous wrote:Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.

I thought they stopped offering the late buses at elementary schools like 8-10 years ago. Campbell is an option school, title I, higher FRL and doesn't offer one anymore.

I know they used to at one point and then stopped but this year I think they started up again at some schools at least. The forms and flyers I see for enrichment programs do have information about late buses at two of the title one schools I get information on.

Is there a special fee for the late bus? Does the PTA pick it up?

These are both title one schools with VERY limited budgets so I’m guessing the county is?

The schools don't have more limited budgets than any other schools, all schools have planning-factor driven budgets (they are alloted the same number of positions based on number of students, number of kids with IEPs, number of kids who are ELLs, etc.) And Title I schools receive funding for specific extras as well.

THAT SAID, APS did come up with money for late buses for some schools for a period of time to allow after school tutoring for SOLs. The buses were not for activities, although kids who were doing activities could also take the buses. But they were intended for students to be allowed to stay for tutoring for several months prior to the SOLs. These were for a handful of schools that were in danger of failing to make AYP. The funds came out of money available to APS through savings such as the extra money they have set aside at the beginning of the year in case they need to add more classes if unexpected kids show up -- if they don't need to hire as many last-minute teachers as anticipated, they can release that money in October for other things.

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There’s a late bus at asfs, you can only take it if you are frl and an ell who is at least a grade behind in both math and reading. At asfs at least, it’s not for enrichment, it’s for kids who need extra one on one tutoring. Money comes out of a principals discretionary fund.

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I wouldn’t put it past the county board to seize middle income homeowners property to make room for affordable housing induced overcrowding.

For the houses directly adjacent to Key (i.e. across Adams St.), under virtually no definition would those people be considered "middle income homeowners." I still don't think their $1.5-2 million houses should (or ever would) be taken by eminent domain.

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I wouldn’t put it past the county board to seize middle income homeowners property to make room for affordable housing induced overcrowding.

For the houses directly adjacent to Key (i.e. across Adams St.), under virtually no definition would those people be considered "middle income homeowners." I still don't think their $1.5-2 million houses should (or ever would) be taken by eminent domain.

I meant the ones between fleet and Glebe road.

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I wouldn’t put it past the county board to seize middle income homeowners property to make room for affordable housing induced overcrowding.

For the houses directly adjacent to Key (i.e. across Adams St.), under virtually no definition would those people be considered "middle income homeowners." I still don't think their $1.5-2 million houses should (or ever would) be taken by eminent domain.

I meant the ones between fleet and Glebe road.

Ah. Sorry I misunderstood.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a late bus at asfs, you can only take it if you are frl and an ell who is at least a grade behind in both math and reading. At asfs at least, it’s not for enrichment, it’s for kids who need extra one on one tutoring. Money comes out of a principals discretionary fund.

Funded by the highly-resourced PTA. High fr/l schools don’t have a PTA-funded “Principal’s Discretionary Fund.” It’s admirable that ASFS is using their money in this way. However, unless APS is funding such for all schools that don’t have well-resourced PTAs, it’s problematic from an equity standpoint.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a late bus at asfs, you can only take it if you are frl and an ell who is at least a grade behind in both math and reading. At asfs at least, it’s not for enrichment, it’s for kids who need extra one on one tutoring. Money comes out of a principals discretionary fund.

Funded by the highly-resourced PTA. High fr/l schools don’t have a PTA-funded “Principal’s Discretionary Fund.” It’s admirable that ASFS is using their money in this way. However, unless APS is funding such for all schools that don’t have well-resourced PTAs, it’s problematic from an equity standpoint.

It’s helping FRL, ELL kids who are woefully behind.

You’re blinded by the woke.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put it past the county board to seize middle income homeowners property to make room for affordable housing induced overcrowding.

Oh FFS, stop with the scaremongering. When was the last time the county used eminent domain to seize homes? Like, the 1940s? What evidence is there that any county board member has any interest in doing that now?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a late bus at asfs, you can only take it if you are frl and an ell who is at least a grade behind in both math and reading. At asfs at least, it’s not for enrichment, it’s for kids who need extra one on one tutoring. Money comes out of a principals discretionary fund.

Funded by the highly-resourced PTA. High fr/l schools don’t have a PTA-funded “Principal’s Discretionary Fund.” It’s admirable that ASFS is using their money in this way. However, unless APS is funding such for all schools that don’t have well-resourced PTAs, it’s problematic from an equity standpoint.

Quoted poster. There is a "discretionary fund" line item in every school's budget. I think its under "Other" as a budget line item for each school. Its not a large amount of money. The ASFS principal uses it to fund a single late bus. She worked out an arrangement with red top to avoid having a morning early bus (the same kids who have afterschool tutoring have morning tutoring too I believe). People really like to rag on her, but I think this is one of the examples of where she really works hard to make sure none of her kids are left behind.

Its not funded by the PTA, though in all fairness, she probably only has this money to spend on stuff like this because the PTA funds and organizes collaborations to fund other things (like maintaining the courtyard and aquariums).

So it is an equity issue, kind of, but I think there are larger equity issues (if Key really has a late bus for SCA and enrichment, that's messed up).

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put it past the county board to seize middle income homeowners property to make room for affordable housing induced overcrowding.

Oh FFS, stop with the scaremongering. When was the last time the county used eminent domain to seize homes? Like, the 1940s? What evidence is there that any county board member has any interest in doing that now?

If anything is ever gettin' eminent domain-ed, it's the golf course.

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I wouldn’t put it past the county board to seize middle income homeowners property to make room for affordable housing induced overcrowding.


For the houses directly adjacent to Key (i.e. across Adams St.), under virtually no definition would those people be considered "middle income homeowners." I still don't think their $1.5-2 million houses should (or ever would) be taken by eminent domain.


I meant the ones between fleet and Glebe road.


Ah. Sorry I misunderstood.

At least one of the homeowners of the houses between Fleet and 50 offered to sell to APS to provide additional space for the school/parking/green space and APS turned it down.