APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

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Limited parking & small playgrounds are an unfortunate, but common problem for many APS schools.


The ADA issues are 100% unacceptable though.

What is the issue exactly? I drive by it all the time. My understanding of ADA is that you have universal features that give access to all. It's not about having a short walk to the front door anything.

As described on AEM by the parent of a child at Fleet who uses a wheelchair:

No handicapped parking spaces near the entrance
insufficient curb cuts to enable wheel chair users to enter and exit Fleet
Only easily accessible entrance and exit for a wheel chair is through the garage. The garage elevator is locked and requires a staff member with a key card to unlock it. If nobody is around the unlock the elevator, only access is via the steep ramp out of the garage
This elevator is not covered by the building’s backup generator. In case of a power outage or if that elevator is broken it would be very difficult for a mobility-impaired person to enter and exit the building let alone access their car.
Rooms for a special needs program and the only wheelchair accessible bathroom is on an upper level of the school
Playground surfaces and every piece of equipment are inaccessible to child in wheelchair

It's really mind blowing that they could screw it up so badly in a brand new building.

Again, short distance to entrance isn't part of ADA (I know from work where the non executive ADA spots are 1/3 mile away, but have plenty of cut outs and access0.

The rest though, is pretty bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.

I thought they stopped offering the late buses at elementary schools like 8-10 years ago. Campbell is an option school, title I, higher FRL and doesn't offer one anymore.

I know they used to at one point and then stopped but this year I think they started up again at some schools at least. The forms and flyers I see for enrichment programs do have information about late buses at two of the title one schools I get information on.

Is there a special fee for the late bus? Does the PTA pick it up?

These are both title one schools with VERY limited budgets so I’m guessing the county is?

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This ADA discussion is interesting. A few months ago, approximately 1/6 of the free 2 hour parking adjacent to Key was reclassified as handicapped only. I wonder if people have been complaining about accessibility generally to APS schools. Even those spots, although coveted when it’s drop off or pick up time, aren’t awesome for someone with physical limitations trying to access the school.

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I think the Fleet building is minimally compliant with ADA. But that's a pretty darn low bar to aim for. It's not a huge ask to have at least one street-level accessible parking space for parents to drop off and pick-up children. And how humiliating and unwelcoming for the children. It's worse because it's a brand new building where everyone should know better and do better.

The playground is illegal, apparently, and there is some action proceeding on that. It's not just the mulch. There is not one single piece of playground equipment that is accessible.

Also issues with no evacuation plan. The whole thing is a disaster.

And neither APS nor the Fleet leadership is dealing with it. Shame on all of them.

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For the playground, what are some types of equipment that are accessible. I’m curious because I can’t think of anything at our APS school that is accessible by a child in a wheelchair.

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Anonymous wrote:For the playground, what are some types of equipment that are accessible. I’m curious because I can’t think of anything at our APS school that is accessible by a child in a wheelchair.

I should add that I’m wondering if more schools in the county should be joining such a lawsuit.

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I don't think it's an actual lawsuit. By action I meant that something is actually happening on that. I can't recall if it's with the builder, or something. But basically there is an ongoing process/fight about it now.

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Anonymous wrote:Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.

I thought they stopped offering the late buses at elementary schools like 8-10 years ago. Campbell is an option school, title I, higher FRL and doesn't offer one anymore.

I know they used to at one point and then stopped but this year I think they started up again at some schools at least. The forms and flyers I see for enrichment programs do have information about late buses at two of the title one schools I get information on.

Is there a special fee for the late bus? Does the PTA pick it up?

These are both title one schools with VERY limited budgets so I’m guessing the county is?

The schools with truly limited budgets and the highest poverty rates have no need of a late bus because there is functionally no enrichment offered at school most of the time. And most of the kids are at Extended Day, outside after school programs offered by community partners or or nonprofits, or, for the few who can afford it, activities arranged by their parents elsewhere. And if APS is paying for these extra buses I am pissed.

-Parent at such a school

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Title I schools get extra federal funding. Are you saying you're pissed because you think money is being wasted on extra late buses, or are you resentful and dissatisfied with your school's enrichment offerings?

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I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that APS should just do the opposite of whatever it thinks is the correct answer. I have zero faith in it’s ability to get anything right. It’s captive to and has been captured by the whiniest nimbies, it seems.

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Anonymous wrote:Late buses are offered at Title I schools. Or at least it was offered at our Title I school. Which is funny because it was a majority walker school. But our non Title I elementary that is minority walkers doesn’t offer it.

I thought they stopped offering the late buses at elementary schools like 8-10 years ago. Campbell is an option school, title I, higher FRL and doesn't offer one anymore.

I know they used to at one point and then stopped but this year I think they started up again at some schools at least. The forms and flyers I see for enrichment programs do have information about late buses at two of the title one schools I get information on.

Is there a special fee for the late bus? Does the PTA pick it up?

These are both title one schools with VERY limited budgets so I’m guessing the county is?

Ok, but Key is not a Title I school.

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Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of room to add an extension to Escuela de Key at its current site.

hahahhahaha. tehehehehe. This is a ridiculous idea based on absolutely nothing. I love how the Keep Key on Key advocates insist that APS has to come up with irrefutable data to show that moving is a good idea, but find it appropriate to toss out ridiculous statements such as this one with no data or even grounding in reality to back it up.

What data do you seek? Walk by the escuela. Look at the field. Envision how easily an extension could fit. Are you spatially challenged? Did you score below 120 on the NNAT?

okay- so you are willing to completely take out the field. Picture the current 13 plus buses that stretch all the way through the parking lot and up the street- now picture where another 7-8 buses would go? answer: no room. Picture the parking lot and recognize that every single space is designated to a specific teacher- where would you provide teacher staff parking for another school? Picture the current cluster*** that is car rider pickup on Key blvd- where would doubling those cars go? Picture the playground, and how totally full it is with the current kids, then think about the fact that you have wiped out the field- the only remaining green space-- where would you have this additional school go for both recess and PE?

This is an insane, delusional idea. It is only been put forward as a way to hope for a delay. Attempting to build a second elementary school on this site would be grossly unfair and inequitable for the future students of that school, as well as the future students of Key immersion.

Key has 13 buses? Wow.

If they did expand Key they could add primarily walk-zone to avoid more buses (sorry, Rosslyn).

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Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of room to add an extension to Escuela de Key at its current site.

hahahhahaha. tehehehehe. This is a ridiculous idea based on absolutely nothing. I love how the Keep Key on Key advocates insist that APS has to come up with irrefutable data to show that moving is a good idea, but find it appropriate to toss out ridiculous statements such as this one with no data or even grounding in reality to back it up.

What data do you seek? Walk by the escuela. Look at the field. Envision how easily an extension could fit. Are you spatially challenged? Did you score below 120 on the NNAT?

okay- so you are willing to completely take out the field. Picture the current 13 plus buses that stretch all the way through the parking lot and up the street- now picture where another 7-8 buses would go? answer: no room. Picture the parking lot and recognize that every single space is designated to a specific teacher- where would you provide teacher staff parking for another school? Picture the current cluster*** that is car rider pickup on Key blvd- where would doubling those cars go? Picture the playground, and how totally full it is with the current kids, then think about the fact that you have wiped out the field- the only remaining green space-- where would you have this additional school go for both recess and PE?

This is an insane, delusional idea. It is only been put forward as a way to hope for a delay. Attempting to build a second elementary school on this site would be grossly unfair and inequitable for the future students of that school, as well as the future students of Key immersion.

Key has 13 buses? Wow.

If they did expand Key they could add primarily walk-zone to avoid more buses (sorry, Rosslyn).

Or the county could use eminent domain to buy out surrounding properties to expand the parking lot and access. We must think of the greater good here.

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Anonymous wrote:Title I schools get extra federal funding. Are you saying you're pissed because you think money is being wasted on extra late buses, or are you resentful and dissatisfied with your school's enrichment offerings?

New poster here, but title I money isn’t like topping off the gas tank, or some general slush fund that can be spent on anything and make things equal with non title I schools with well funded ptas. My understanding is that it gets spent on classroom instruction mostly, and remedial instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is plenty of room to add an extension to Escuela de Key at its current site.

hahahhahaha. tehehehehe. This is a ridiculous idea based on absolutely nothing. I love how the Keep Key on Key advocates insist that APS has to come up with irrefutable data to show that moving is a good idea, but find it appropriate to toss out ridiculous statements such as this one with no data or even grounding in reality to back it up.

What data do you seek? Walk by the escuela. Look at the field. Envision how easily an extension could fit. Are you spatially challenged? Did you score below 120 on the NNAT?

okay- so you are willing to completely take out the field. Picture the current 13 plus buses that stretch all the way through the parking lot and up the street- now picture where another 7-8 buses would go? answer: no room. Picture the parking lot and recognize that every single space is designated to a specific teacher- where would you provide teacher staff parking for another school? Picture the current cluster*** that is car rider pickup on Key blvd- where would doubling those cars go? Picture the playground, and how totally full it is with the current kids, then think about the fact that you have wiped out the field- the only remaining green space-- where would you have this additional school go for both recess and PE?

This is an insane, delusional idea. It is only been put forward as a way to hope for a delay. Attempting to build a second elementary school on this site would be grossly unfair and inequitable for the future students of that school, as well as the future students of Key immersion.

Key has 13 buses? Wow.

If they did expand Key they could add primarily walk-zone to avoid more buses (sorry, Rosslyn).

Or the county could use eminent domain to buy out surrounding properties to expand the parking lot and access. We must think of the greater good here.

Do you appreciate how many millions that would cost and how many years it would be tied up in litigation?