APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. It was full of lies.

None of the community-generated scenarios worked - they certainly didn’t take 6 factors into consideration.
The community-generated scenarios did not result in fewer buses.
Key won’t need to function at 152%.
Key families can move if they are supported (and want to stick with immersion). Key families are willing to set up carpools to all school events, meetings, enrichment, etc.

She has fallen short on just about every claim she made.

Wut? We are telling families to move their household now to follow their school? Or deal with a school move by setting up some carpools? Are you for real?

*not Mary*

Mary said they can’t move to the new location.

They CAN move (if they want to) if they have transportation support (issue identified by Key parents).

Someone earlier on the thread said that Key families are willing to provide carpools for enrichment, events, meetings, etc.

Problem solved.

I'm still not clear on why people who can easily get to Key would have a hard time getting to ATS. Isn't ATS a half-mile walk from the Ballston metro station, which is three stops away from Key and one of the biggest bus hubs in the county?

The problem, you see, is that when you are coming from your $1.5 million house in the current Taylor zone, Courthouse is a much more convenient stop on the drive to DC or a better place to park your car in a garage and hop on the metro. It's also better for continuing on a bike commute as well if you're into that sort of thing.

I don't think the people who are yucking it up about getting from Ballston to ATS have ever actually tried walking this themselves. This is definitely metro ride and then a bus ride, and I would never consider signing up to do this for any extended period of time with my own elementary school kid in tow. I have walked from the Ballston metro to my house which is about the same distance as ATS and that is no picnic and certainly not something I would drag a first grader around for every day, never mind in snow or rain. I mean, don't get me wrong, my grandparents would have done this, uphill both ways, but that was a different generation more used to privation. What is wrong with you guys?

It is 0.7 miles from the Ballston metro to the ATS site by foot, according to Google maps.

DP. With s*** show crossing of Glebe and George Mason.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty sure you can find even more ways in which their problems don't really matter if you keep concentrating.

They don’t really. Not enough to reverse course on the moves. If you can’t make the option school commute work you can go to your neighborhood school. If you can’t make the neighborhood commute work you are SOL. That’s the reason this is happening.

Exactly. The redeveloped Queens Court, 249 units, is going to open and all those kids need a guaranteed neighborhood school closer to home than ASFS, Taylor, or Long Branch. They’re in the Key walk zone, less than a mile.

But, but, but!! But, those kids are all going to be low-income SPanish speakers and they have a right to immersion. You will be denying them immersion, a program proven to be more successful for ELL students! They'll be deprived like all other spanish speaking ELLs at all the neighborhood schools, in ATS, Campbell, Montessori, etc.

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It is 0.7 miles from the Ballston metro to the ATS site by foot, according to Google maps.

DP. With s*** show crossing of Glebe and George Mason.

From Metro, take Fairfax Dr west to the Holiday Inn, then take the Bluemont Junction Trail to Wilson and George Mason. Only street you cross in Bluemont is N Buchanan St. It's relatively flat and a much better walk then going down and then up the hills on Wilson and with all the traffic. Once new Metro entrance opens around 2026, it will be closer than current one. Still a walk with traffic on Fairfax, but more pleasant than Wilson.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty sure you can find even more ways in which their problems don't really matter if you keep concentrating.

They don’t really. Not enough to reverse course on the moves. If you can’t make the option school commute work you can go to your neighborhood school. If you can’t make the neighborhood commute work you are SOL. That’s the reason this is happening.

Exactly. The redeveloped Queens Court, 249 units, is going to open and all those kids need a guaranteed neighborhood school closer to home than ASFS, Taylor, or Long Branch. They’re in the Key walk zone, less than a mile.

Much to the deligh of Lyon Village, one would think, because all are welcome.

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I think you're missing PP's point about equity. The problem with letting immersion programs get out of balance in favor of English speakers is that it worsens the trend of UMC kids fleeing higher-FRL schools, worsening inequity at those schools.


You do realize that most of Key's English speakers are from N Arlington? And if you're going to throw that argument agaisnt immersion, I hope you're advocating for the end of ATS too?

But we've been through this before--even if option schools were abolished tomorrow, it would not be enough to create a balanced enrollment in SA due to the concentration of AH there.


That's not what I'm saying at all! I think we should keep our option schools and strive for the immersion programs to achieve the 50/50 balance of their model. My only point was that if APS considers letting more English speakers into an immersion program without a proportionate increase in Spanish speakers, then it matters where those English speakers would be coming from. If their neighborhood assignments are to lower-FRL schools, then that's less of an equity problem than if they're higher-income kids coming from higher-FRL schools.

So rich kids can go to immersion, but middle class kids who live in South Arlington and can't afford to move to North Arlington can't go to immersion because its too important that there be 1 semi-wealthy kid in each classroom so that the 25 ESL kids can benefit from their presence? Did I get that right?

As mentioned before there are not enough high income kids in some of these South Arlington schools to positively impact the overall learning environment there, even if option schools didn't exist. Those kids get lost because their needs are not met in the school and they end up being educationally behind their peers at other schools due to all resources going to the non-English speakers.

Pretty sure that banning the 5 high income kids in a high FRL school from going to an option school doesn't create equitable solutions for those 5 kids or for the other 100 kids in that school who are supposed to be magically benefitting from their presence.

JFC. You seem more interested in strawmaning than listening, so I'm leaving this alone.

And the options allow in about 10% of applicants so those fancy high income kids in FRL schools do what? Go where?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. It was full of lies.

None of the community-generated scenarios worked - they certainly didn’t take 6 factors into consideration.
The community-generated scenarios did not result in fewer buses.
Key won’t need to function at 152%.
Key families can move if they are supported (and want to stick with immersion). Key families are willing to set up carpools to all school events, meetings, enrichment, etc.

She has fallen short on just about every claim she made.

Wut? We are telling families to move their household now to follow their school? Or deal with a school move by setting up some carpools? Are you for real?

*not Mary*

Mary said they can’t move to the new location.

They CAN move (if they want to) if they have transportation support (issue identified by Key parents).

Someone earlier on the thread said that Key families are willing to provide carpools for enrichment, events, meetings, etc.

Problem solved.

I'm still not clear on why people who can easily get to Key would have a hard time getting to ATS. Isn't ATS a half-mile walk from the Ballston metro station, which is three stops away from Key and one of the biggest bus hubs in the county?

The problem, you see, is that when you are coming from your $1.5 million house in the current Taylor zone, Courthouse is a much more convenient stop on the drive to DC or a better place to park your car in a garage and hop on the metro. It's also better for continuing on a bike commute as well if you're into that sort of thing.

I don't think the people who are yucking it up about getting from Ballston to ATS have ever actually tried walking this themselves. This is definitely metro ride and then a bus ride, and I would never consider signing up to do this for any extended period of time with my own elementary school kid in tow. I have walked from the Ballston metro to my house which is about the same distance as ATS and that is no picnic and certainly not something I would drag a first grader around for every day, never mind in snow or rain. I mean, don't get me wrong, my grandparents would have done this, uphill both ways, but that was a different generation more used to privation. What is wrong with you guys?

It is 0.7 miles from the Ballston metro to the ATS site by foot, according to Google maps.

And there are tons of buses that go from Ballston west on Wilson. Ballston is one of the main transportation hubs.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know when they'll start the boundary change process? I think someone upthread said fall...want to know how long I can hit the snooze button on this issue before worrying about it again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when they'll start the boundary change process? I think someone upthread said fall...want to know how long I can hit the snooze button on this issue before worrying about it again.

“Phase 3” is sept-dec 2020:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Dec.-9-Community-Mtg-on-ES-Planning-Slides.pdf (page 3 I think)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope. It was full of lies.

None of the community-generated scenarios worked - they certainly didn’t take 6 factors into consideration.
The community-generated scenarios did not result in fewer buses.
Key won’t need to function at 152%.
Key families can move if they are supported (and want to stick with immersion). Key families are willing to set up carpools to all school events, meetings, enrichment, etc.

She has fallen short on just about every claim she made.

Wut? We are telling families to move their household now to follow their school? Or deal with a school move by setting up some carpools? Are you for real?

*not Mary*

Mary said they can’t move to the new location.

They CAN move (if they want to) if they have transportation support (issue identified by Key parents).

Someone earlier on the thread said that Key families are willing to provide carpools for enrichment, events, meetings, etc.

Problem solved.

I'm still not clear on why people who can easily get to Key would have a hard time getting to ATS. Isn't ATS a half-mile walk from the Ballston metro station, which is three stops away from Key and one of the biggest bus hubs in the county?

The problem, you see, is that when you are coming from your $1.5 million house in the current Taylor zone, Courthouse is a much more convenient stop on the drive to DC or a better place to park your car in a garage and hop on the metro. It's also better for continuing on a bike commute as well if you're into that sort of thing.

I don't think the people who are yucking it up about getting from Ballston to ATS have ever actually tried walking this themselves. This is definitely metro ride and then a bus ride, and I would never consider signing up to do this for any extended period of time with my own elementary school kid in tow. I have walked from the Ballston metro to my house which is about the same distance as ATS and that is no picnic and certainly not something I would drag a first grader around for every day, never mind in snow or rain. I mean, don't get me wrong, my grandparents would have done this, uphill both ways, but that was a different generation more used to privation. What is wrong with you guys?

It is 0.7 miles from the Ballston metro to the ATS site by foot, according to Google maps.

And there are tons of buses that go from Ballston west on Wilson. Ballston is one of the main transportation hubs.

I think the 1s go from Ballston down Wilson so there's a stop right in front of ATS (well, in front of the McD's)

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I would be shocked if any moms in chi chi 22207 pick up their kid from extended day every day after their job by taking the metro and then a bus, and then loading the kid on the bus and then the metro to get back home. That's at least an hour of time maybe more like 2 because it's not just the trip, it's the waiting.

But I get it, folks are saying tough luck because option programs are extras we can't afford to worry about. I mean, when they are YOUR special privileges that you are losing access to for the greater good, you tend to make a fuss about them 22207, and how, but I understand that some animals are more equal than others.

[Anonymous]

Okay 22207 is not really very chi chi but stay with me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would be shocked if any moms in chi chi 22207 pick up their kid from extended day every day after their job by taking the metro and then a bus, and then loading the kid on the bus and then the metro to get back home. That's at least an hour of time maybe more like 2 because it's not just the trip, it's the waiting.

But I get it, folks are saying tough luck because option programs are extras we can't afford to worry about. I mean, when they are YOUR special privileges that you are losing access to for the greater good, you tend to make a fuss about them 22207, and how, but I understand that some animals are more equal than others.

What broad strokes you use.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be shocked if any moms in chi chi 22207 pick up their kid from extended day every day after their job by taking the metro and then a bus, and then loading the kid on the bus and then the metro to get back home. That's at least an hour of time maybe more like 2 because it's not just the trip, it's the waiting.

But I get it, folks are saying tough luck because option programs are extras we can't afford to worry about. I mean, when they are YOUR special privileges that you are losing access to for the greater good, you tend to make a fuss about them 22207, and how, but I understand that some animals are more equal than others.

It’s amazing how quickly hearts bleed when it suits people’s hidden interests. Not just 22207, either.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be shocked if any moms in chi chi 22207 pick up their kid from extended day every day after their job by taking the metro and then a bus, and then loading the kid on the bus and then the metro to get back home. That's at least an hour of time maybe more like 2 because it's not just the trip, it's the waiting.

But I get it, folks are saying tough luck because option programs are extras we can't afford to worry about. I mean, when they are YOUR special privileges that you are losing access to for the greater good, you tend to make a fuss about them 22207, and how, but I understand that some animals are more equal than others.

What broad strokes you use.

Can’t really say she’s wrong, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would be shocked if any moms in chi chi 22207 pick up their kid from extended day every day after their job by taking the metro and then a bus, and then loading the kid on the bus and then the metro to get back home. That's at least an hour of time maybe more like 2 because it's not just the trip, it's the waiting.

But I get it, folks are saying tough luck because option programs are extras we can't afford to worry about. I mean, when they are YOUR special privileges that you are losing access to for the greater good, you tend to make a fuss about them 22207, and how, but I understand that some animals are more equal than others.

What broad strokes you use.

Can’t really say she’s wrong, though.

You could say the same of just about any zip code, but that’s irrelevant. Some families in Arlington have a public transit commute. It’s not solely a Key phenomenon. Moving immersion will make the commute easier for some families, harder for others. Key doesn’t get to have a stranglehold on the immersion program, at the inconvenience of a multitude of families (rich and poor!), to make it more convenient for a few.