Whitman Teacher and Crew Coach Arrested

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/


I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.


One issue in MCPS is how they treat Child Abuse and Neglect reports. MCPS knee jerk reaction is to protect the staff member so as an institution, they aren’t sued. If CPS and the police can not prove child abuse/sexual abuse occurred, MCPS does not remove predators demonstrating grooming behaviors. Even after the first initial complaints, predators are kept in the classroom till the arrest is made.

One issue is that the General Counsel Office in MCPS advises MCPS and Board on these types of cases. The Board does not independently review information and they will support whatever MCPS and the General Counsel advises. There is no independent review that looks at cases on behalf of protecting students and firing staff that demonstrates grooming behavior. The result is that MCPS becomes a magnet for child predators who are employed by MCPS for decades.

The only way to protect students is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Firing offenders will send a message that MCPS is no longer a haven that gives predators unlimited access to children.


If more principals refused to take back teachers who have been accused of grooming, whether or not MPD and CPS choose to investigate, this would be less of a problem. The sad truth is that principals are happy to take them back if they're a good teacher or parents really like them and they're getting flak because parents are upset that their child's coach or fave teacher is out on leave. These principals know, like another poster said, that there's something sketchy about the teacher in question. This is when we want to be pushing them out, not wait until MPD and CPS think a crime has occurred. I do believe in due process, but due process would mean that someone, anyone from the investigation unit within MCPS comes and talks to those of us, teachers and staff members, at the school where the teacher works. Instead, teachers watch colleagues disappear for a while, then come back as if nothing happened, going right back into their coaching and teaching positions with not much more than a line in their record, if that. We don't even know if they're being watched more closely after that.
Anonymous
He’ll do <3 years
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/


I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.


One issue in MCPS is how they treat Child Abuse and Neglect reports. MCPS knee jerk reaction is to protect the staff member so as an institution, they aren’t sued. If CPS and the police can not prove child abuse/sexual abuse occurred, MCPS does not remove predators demonstrating grooming behaviors. Even after the first initial complaints, predators are kept in the classroom till the arrest is made.

One issue is that the General Counsel Office in MCPS advises MCPS and Board on these types of cases. The Board does not independently review information and they will support whatever MCPS and the General Counsel advises. There is no independent review that looks at cases on behalf of protecting students and firing staff that demonstrates grooming behavior. The result is that MCPS becomes a magnet for child predators who are employed by MCPS for decades.

The only way to protect students is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Firing offenders will send a message that MCPS is no longer a haven that gives predators unlimited access to children.


If more principals refused to take back teachers who have been accused of grooming, whether or not MPD and CPS choose to investigate, this would be less of a problem. The sad truth is that principals are happy to take them back if they're a good teacher or parents really like them and they're getting flak because parents are upset that their child's coach or fave teacher is out on leave. These principals know, like another poster said, that there's something sketchy about the teacher in question. This is when we want to be pushing them out, not wait until MPD and CPS think a crime has occurred. I do believe in due process, but due process would mean that someone, anyone from the investigation unit within MCPS comes and talks to those of us, teachers and staff members, at the school where the teacher works. Instead, teachers watch colleagues disappear for a while, then come back as if nothing happened, going right back into their coaching and teaching positions with not much more than a line in their record, if that. We don't even know if they're being watched more closely after that.


This is a police issue, not CPS however, does it surprise you given how MCPS/county is trending that folks are not held accountable? The problem is people tolerate it. If parents stopped tolerating it, MCPS would have to take a harder stand. Same with restorative justice and all the lack of accountability.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/


I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.


One issue in MCPS is how they treat Child Abuse and Neglect reports. MCPS knee jerk reaction is to protect the staff member so as an institution, they aren’t sued. If CPS and the police can not prove child abuse/sexual abuse occurred, MCPS does not remove predators demonstrating grooming behaviors. Even after the first initial complaints, predators are kept in the classroom till the arrest is made.

One issue is that the General Counsel Office in MCPS advises MCPS and Board on these types of cases. The Board does not independently review information and they will support whatever MCPS and the General Counsel advises. There is no independent review that looks at cases on behalf of protecting students and firing staff that demonstrates grooming behavior. The result is that MCPS becomes a magnet for child predators who are employed by MCPS for decades.

The only way to protect students is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Firing offenders will send a message that MCPS is no longer a haven that gives predators unlimited access to children.


If more principals refused to take back teachers who have been accused of grooming, whether or not MPD and CPS choose to investigate, this would be less of a problem. The sad truth is that principals are happy to take them back if they're a good teacher or parents really like them and they're getting flak because parents are upset that their child's coach or fave teacher is out on leave. These principals know, like another poster said, that there's something sketchy about the teacher in question. This is when we want to be pushing them out, not wait until MPD and CPS think a crime has occurred. I do believe in due process, but due process would mean that someone, anyone from the investigation unit within MCPS comes and talks to those of us, teachers and staff members, at the school where the teacher works. Instead, teachers watch colleagues disappear for a while, then come back as if nothing happened, going right back into their coaching and teaching positions with not much more than a line in their record, if that. We don't even know if they're being watched more closely after that.


This is a police issue, not CPS however, does it surprise you given how MCPS/county is trending that folks are not held accountable? The problem is people tolerate it. If parents stopped tolerating it, MCPS would have to take a harder stand. Same with restorative justice and all the lack of accountability.


White male judges don’t see anything wrong with what he did.
Anonymous
First degree sexual assault is penetration/rape. He was having sex with two rowers.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Apparently and sadly this was not shocking news to any of the girls involved with crew in the past 5 years or so.


Yikes - and apparently no one did anything about it.


PP - I just meant many rowers knew about this apparently. I doubt any adults knew. Sorry if that was the implication.


Still if the girls knew their friend was being raped they should have told somebody… police, counselor, parent.


I get that it's rape no matter what because of the ages and authority he had over her, but was it consensual?
Anonymous
It is sick that girls made accusations over the years but the parents kept him employed. Typical Bethesda parents. They care more about prestige and their girls getting into good colleges than the actual WELL BEING OF THEIR CHILDREN. It makes me so sick.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Apparently and sadly this was not shocking news to any of the girls involved with crew in the past 5 years or so.


Yikes - and apparently no one did anything about it.


PP - I just meant many rowers knew about this apparently. I doubt any adults knew. Sorry if that was the implication.


Still if the girls knew their friend was being raped they should have told somebody… police, counselor, parent.


They did tell someone you disgusting POS. Parents of rowers were trying to get that man fired officially as late as 2018. Apparently his 3 championships and 20 years of tenure made him untouchable.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It is sick that girls made accusations over the years but the parents kept him employed. Typical Bethesda parents. They care more about prestige and their girls getting into good colleges than the actual WELL BEING OF THEIR CHILDREN. It makes me so sick.


I live in Bethesda and it makes me sick too. My friends and neighbors are all outraged over this cover-up. Please don't be a moron and generalize about Bethesda.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Apparently and sadly this was not shocking news to any of the girls involved with crew in the past 5 years or so.


Yikes - and apparently no one did anything about it.


PP - I just meant many rowers knew about this apparently. I doubt any adults knew. Sorry if that was the implication.


Still if the girls knew their friend was being raped they should have told somebody… police, counselor, parent.


I get that it's rape no matter what because of the ages and authority he had over her, but was it consensual?


There is no consensual sex with a minor. The law says that an underage girl does not have the capacity to consent to sex. In addition, DC law says a student does not have the capacity to consent to sex with a coach.

In addition, Shipley was 30+ years older and, as her crew coach, controlled her entire future. He controlled whether she rowed every day, where she sat in the boat, whether she would be boated for each race and championships and whether she was praised or criticized for her endeavors. Those are opportunities that can get kids into college and get them scholarships. Do you think she had the capacity to say “No” to that? He was known for his mercurial moods. He texted her 4000 times in the space of a a few months. Do you think she “consented” to that?

How would you feel if your boss did that to you and you felt forced to sleep with him, or worse if you were naive enough to believe that your boss really loved you and wouldn’t do anything to harm you?

GTFO of here with your, “I get that it was rape, but was it consensual?”

As a parent, I knew girl rowers on that team. Girls were and are scared to stand up to this because of shitty parents like you who blamed them. There were multiple accusations about Shipley and parents who asked questions like you just did are the reason he got away with it for so long. That guy was a predator and he was aided and abetted by parents like you. Many girls were traumatized by the betrayal of the adults and the lack of support, not to mention that two girls were sexually assaulted and had to report him to the police and go through the entire trial and investigation and subsequent trauma.

Shame on you.
Anonymous
Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?


Can you not just read the thread?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?


Can you not just read the thread?


You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shipley was not only the Crew Coach, he was a teacher at Whitman. Why was he a teacher after the original accusations?


Can you not just read the thread?


You are an a$$. Yes I read the thread. Crew is not an MCPS sport. It’s a club team. If girls reported him to the Crew Board, was he reported to the Principal? If so, why was he teaching up to this school year?


Well you are very rude. All this is covered in the thread so maybe you should read it again, but S.L.O.W.L.Y
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