What is your take on the Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt divorce saga? What happened on the plane?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/brad-pitt-child-abuse-allegations-what-we-know-what-we-don-t/ar-AA1km7IU


“Jolie also alleged to the FBI that Pitt looked "like he was going to attack" one of the couple's children after they called him a "p****," prompting her to place her then-husband "in a choke hold" from behind in a bid to restrain him.”


According to this he never hit the kids. She placed him in a choke hold cause she “thought” he was going to hit the kid.

this wasn't the whole FBI report. A lot of it was retracted but said three kids physically touched. Brad's rep said admitted one of the kids were touched but not in the face

If at least half of his kids have iced him out then whatever happened must have been really bad.

I am not disagreeing but I close friend of mine’s ex-wife created child abandonment issues that last from their kids’s early teens to early 20s. It took years of therapy for him to learn how to navigate things/step back and not engage/let the kids come to their own conclusions. But honestly the biggest change happened when the kids moved out and when my friend entered a stable, long term relationship. I am not sure which was the bigger influence but I think the combination of the kids being on their own, hearing about other parental relationships, while watching their dad be happy in his new relationship and mom continue to rant about him made them understand that things weren’t how they seemed. It took 10 years but the kids are very close to him now.

Similar timeframe - I had a friend whose mother left them when she was little. Her father didn't badmouth the mother so my friend made up a story of a perfect mother in her head and it wasn't until she was living on her own as an adult, met her mother q few times, that she realized the truth that her mother was just a lousy mother and wife. It takes a long time for a child to overcome a story about a parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

Link?

Here's the French article. I put it through a translation so hopefully that works. If not I linked two English websites. He tried to talk her out of suing him by saying friends in America don't sue each other lol. Sir friends in America pay each other and give credit to their work lol. I checked and she's still suing him for her rights on the work she did to this day.

https://www-liberation-fr.translate.goog/france/2017/08/16/brad-pitt-a-coule-ma-boite-et-s-est-approprie-mon-travail_1590305/?
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https://www.liberation.fr/france/2017/08/16/brad-pitt-a-coule-ma-boite-et-s-est-approprie-mon-travail_1590305/

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/french-designer-in-costly-dispute-over-pitt-jolie-chateau/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2017/08/18/brad-pitt-loses-court-case-telling-chateau-interior-designer/

I see no emails to read.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

Link?

Here's the French article. I put it through a translation so hopefully that works. If not I linked two English websites. He tried to talk her out of suing him by saying friends in America don't sue each other lol. Sir friends in America pay each other and give credit to their work lol. I checked and she's still suing him for her rights on the work she did to this day.

https://www-liberation-fr.translate.goog/france/2017/08/16/brad-pitt-a-coule-ma-boite-et-s-est-approprie-mon-travail_1590305/?
_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
https://www.liberation.fr/france/2017/08/16/brad-pitt-a-coule-ma-boite-et-s-est-approprie-mon-travail_1590305/

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/french-designer-in-costly-dispute-over-pitt-jolie-chateau/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2017/08/18/brad-pitt-loses-court-case-telling-chateau-interior-designer/

I see no emails to read.

They are in italics

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

That has been Angelina Jolie for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

I always felt like Zahara was his favorite when she was little.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

I always felt like Zahara was his favorite when she was little.

He always said the girls were his favorites, and she said the boys but always seemed very close to Zahara.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

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You are imposing moralistic values on a process that is really purely biological.

There are many parents who don’t bond well with their own biological children, due to issues with their physical and mental health and/or the child’s physical and mental health. There are many parents who adore one bio child and reject another bio child. Of course the same kinds of factors can come to play with nonbiological children as well. A parent can be in a place mentally where they bond very well adopting a child, and then later have a biological child they don’t bond with due to post partum depression etc. Maybe they don’t bond with a biological child because they conceived the child in rape and were not free to terminate the pregnancy, or conceived the child in a committed relationship but didn’t feel ready to have the child for whatever reasons but were not free to terminate the pregnancy.

There are many reasons a parent might bond with one child and not another and many of those reasons exclude the parent’s being morally bankrupt as black and white visioneers like poster would assert.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

AJ said that she didn't love Shiloh *as much* as she loved Zahara, not more than.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

m

You are imposing moralistic values on a process that is really purely biological.

There are many parents who don’t bond well with their own biological children, due to issues with their physical and mental health and/or the child’s physical and mental health. There are many parents who adore one bio child and reject another bio child. Of course the same kinds of factors can come to play with nonbiological children as well. A parent can be in a place mentally where they bond very well adopting a child, and then later have a biological child they don’t bond with due to post partum depression etc. Maybe they don’t bond with a biological child because they conceived the child in rape and were not free to terminate the pregnancy, or conceived the child in a committed relationship but didn’t feel ready to have the child for whatever reasons but were not free to terminate the pregnancy.

There are many reasons a parent might bond with one child and not another and many of those reasons exclude the parent’s being morally bankrupt as black and white visioneers like poster would assert.

WTF does this have to do with two incredibly privileged people, one of whom sought out a married man to have a relationship with?

Obviously no one is judging women around the world who get pregnant in incredibly difficult situations.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

m

You are imposing moralistic values on a process that is really purely biological.

There are many parents who don’t bond well with their own biological children, due to issues with their physical and mental health and/or the child’s physical and mental health. There are many parents who adore one bio child and reject another bio child. Of course the same kinds of factors can come to play with nonbiological children as well. A parent can be in a place mentally where they bond very well adopting a child, and then later have a biological child they don’t bond with due to post partum depression etc. Maybe they don’t bond with a biological child because they conceived the child in rape and were not free to terminate the pregnancy, or conceived the child in a committed relationship but didn’t feel ready to have the child for whatever reasons but were not free to terminate the pregnancy.

There are many reasons a parent might bond with one child and not another and many of those reasons exclude the parent’s being morally bankrupt as black and white visioneers like poster would assert.

WTF does this have to do with two incredibly privileged people, one of whom sought out a married man to have a relationship with?

Obviously no one is judging women around the world who get pregnant in incredibly difficult situations.

They're literally just giving different examples.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

AJ said that she didn't love Shiloh *as much* as she loved Zahara, not more than.

I wonder: because Brad was the dad? Because she projects her own privilege onto Shiloh who shares her DNA? It’s an awful thing to say.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

AJ said that she didn't love Shiloh *as much* as she loved Zahara, not more than.

I wonder: because Brad was the dad? Because she projects her own privilege onto Shiloh who shares her DNA? It’s an awful thing to say.

sounds like post postpartum depression

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

AJ said that she didn't love Shiloh *as much* as she loved Zahara, not more than.

I wonder: because Brad was the dad? Because she projects her own privilege onto Shiloh who shares her DNA? It’s an awful thing to say.

sounds like post postpartum depression

She has suffered from something or another every year. Eventually it's not post partum depression or situational depression. It's more than that.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys read his emails to his light designer Odile Soudant that he's been in a legal battle with for the last 10+ years? She said he was neurotic and became borderline delusional with his requests. They both seem off. Jens friends said having kids more of an abstract idea for him. he probably never really wanted them tbh.

He wanted Angelina and Angelina wanted kids.

Angelina was on the record saying she never wanted bio kids. That was him. She wanted him, so she changed her mind and got knocked up very quickly.

+1 Angelina seemed very depressed and uncomfortable when Shiloh was born. I recall that she said something about having a hard time loving her as much as Zahara because Shiloh was born with a silver spoon in her mouth.

Their whole relationship was based on really dysfunctional actions. They met when he was married to someone else, which is her pattern. Then they came up with this nutty idea that they would commit to the kids but not each other, completely overlooking the fact that the stability of the parents' marriage (or lack thereof) is important. Then the constant traveling with the kids instead of giving them normal, stable parts of society like school. Then the last-ditch effort to get married after the relationship was falling apart. They're both not in good mental health.

Either BS she made up about Shiloh so Zahara would still feel loved or something terribly wrong with someone not loving their own child more than someone else’s.

Go ahead and give grief about how loving adopted child is same as your own.

AJ said that she didn't love Shiloh *as much* as she loved Zahara, not more than.

I wonder: because Brad was the dad? Because she projects her own privilege onto Shiloh who shares her DNA? It’s an awful thing to say.

sounds like post postpartum depression

She has suffered from something or another every year. Eventually it's not post partum depression or situational depression. It's more than that.

It still postpartum depression. She bonded better with the twins