NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:It's so telling that the "Biden needs to step aside" faction has so far NOT been able to counter or address the fact that they don't actually have a plan, don't actually have any solid candidates who've agreed, and don't actually have any credible polling data to show that whoever it is that they want to put up in place of Biden actually has a chance of winning. None whatsoever. And the clock is ticking.

Those are the most critical and important things to discuss in this thread yet that have absolutely nothing. There's less than 3 weeks to get all of that together and to make a compelling case at the DNC convention. But instead they run around making wild proclamations and assertions and demands with absolutely nothing solid behind them - nothing at all, just knee-jerk idiocy.

If the various people calling for Biden to step down put forward a name and a plan, you would object to that as improper and undemocratic. Rightfully so.

As it is, politicians, donors, voters, Americans, are asking Biden to step down because he is no longer a fit candidate. That's the beginning and end of it. The process of selecting a different candidate is a separate issue. Right now, we are just at the asking stage.

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Anonymous wrote:We are likely to lose with or without Biden. But ditching Biden is the right thing to do, and at least puts the Democrats on the high ground again, and makes our party much more acceptable to younger voters.

I agree with this. Heard that polling shows the public feels misled by democrats who are still backing Biden. The gaslighting is incredible.

Speaking of gaslighting, your post and all like it are exemplars of the craft.

DP. You can't possibly be serious. After all the calls from major Democrats for Biden to step down - and you're still denying that the public feels misled by Biden's team, pretending that all was well for months? Please.

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Anonymous wrote:Good point about this really ought to be the end of Biden’s second term right now. These same party leaders encouraging him to step down told him not to run in 2016. Who has better instincts?

I don’t believe anyone spewing the crap that Biden was pushed aside for Hillary. He didn’t want to run because Beau had just died.

I do believe it. Biden always trusted Obama and he was the one who told Biden to take more time to mourn his son. I believe Biden would have won. I voted for Obama. Recently, I think he’s arrogant and he’s allegedly one of the first to advise Biden to step down. Their so called friendship was one sided. Always felt like he looked down on Biden.

Obama ain’t a kingmaker, he is a midwit puppet high on his own supply.

He’s not a kingmaker and his own wife is right about Barack being a narcissist or a bit cold and self involved . He looks down on Biden, he looked down on the Congressional Black Caucus too and he let Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton drown. He could’ve stopped the FBI/Comey from starting a Hillary email probe. I don’t know why he even ran for President if he was afraid to use any of the exec privileges and powers of being President except for droning wedding parties and villages overseas. I like the guy and would vote for him again over the two options currently but he was quite flawed and he and Axelrod need to be shoved out as the party brain trust . I know everyone respects Obama but his political instincts weren’t that sharp for anyone but himself and he isn’t as smart as he thinks he is .

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It leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that people are piling on Biden (and none if it is with any deference or respect toward him as the sitting POTUS, or any kindness whatsoever, but just nasty ageism and meanness about people with declining mental faculties), and when Trump rambles like a fool, they just shrug and say "Well, we KNOW he's crazy and he's always been incompetent and horrible, so it's different". It's wrong when the majority bullies a decent person to protect themselves from the really bad bully. It's wrong in middle school and it's wrong in this case too. I don't know what the solution is, but it's not this. You deserve Trump, and you're going to get him either way.

Wholeheartedly agree. Add MSM and I’m disgusted. Can you imagine how Biden feels? The disrespect and disloyalty toward our sitting President is the one thing that’s broken my heart. In all the years of chaos and Trump never ending depravity, the treatment of Biden is what's left me in tears. Obama, Schiff, Pelosi— shame and on them. They should have rallied around Biden, respected his privacy and dignity, made a single public statement, and deliberated privately. They then turned on Harris!

Remember, Biden is the one who said⬇️

It’s time for us to stop treating politics like entertainment and reality TV.

The days of failed trickle-down economics are over.

My first hundred days of a second term is going to continue to be all about working people of this nation.

Unlike Donald Trump, I don’t work for Big Oil. I don’t work for Big Pharma. I don’t work for the National Rifle Association.

I work for you, the American people.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/07/12/remarks-by-president-biden-at-a-campaign-event-detroit-mi-3/

We can’t worry about how Biden feels. This is about what’s best for the country, not his ego.

Not mutually exclusive. They should have rallied around Biden, respected his privacy and dignity, made a single public statement, and deliberated privately.

They did, last Saturday. But Biden did not make any movement towards stepping down. He is moving very slowly nowadays, too slowly.

So then, towards the end of the week, they started pushing publicly.

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Anonymous wrote:I still can’t imagine who this perfect candidate is that the donors are just going to pull out of a hat and it’ll all be better. And even if that perfect candidate exists, why wouldn’t they hold their fire and plan for a 2028 run instead of going against Trump? For all his faults he did just survive a horrific attempt on his life and surely gets some sympathy votes. He’ll be gone soon enough and 2028 offers a clean slate rather than this mess.

I like Harris

I like the way she completely deflects from the question Anderson is asking her, and doesn't address it at all - other than to call Biden "strong."

It was the first time I saw her on TV (that’s how much I care about politics). I am sure there are other voters like me out there.
My reaction afterwards was - “this lady needs to do some serious work on her public image because she instantly comes across as a total a…..le. Very aggressive and can’t even honestly answer a question. Who needs politician like that?”

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You're in for a treat if that's the first time you've ever seen her speaking.

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To have Biden step down would require the media to admit that Republicans were right and they were wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:We are likely to lose with or without Biden. But ditching Biden is the right thing to do, and at least puts the Democrats on the high ground again, and makes our party much more acceptable to younger voters.

I agree with this. Heard that polling shows the public feels misled by democrats who are still backing Biden. The gaslighting is incredible.

Speaking of gaslighting, your post and all like it are exemplars of the craft.

DP. You can't possibly be serious. After all the calls from major Democrats for Biden to step down - and you're still denying that the public feels misled by Biden's team, pretending that all was well for months? Please.

DP. But that's not what PP said. Read more closely.

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Anonymous wrote:To have Biden step down would require the media to admit that Republicans were right and they were wrong.

I think that's already abundantly clear.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so telling that the "Biden needs to step aside" faction has so far NOT been able to counter or address the fact that they don't actually have a plan, don't actually have any solid candidates who've agreed, and don't actually have any credible polling data to show that whoever it is that they want to put up in place of Biden actually has a chance of winning. None whatsoever. And the clock is ticking.

Those are the most critical and important things to discuss in this thread yet that have absolutely nothing. There's less than 3 weeks to get all of that together and to make a compelling case at the DNC convention. But instead they run around making wild proclamations and assertions and demands with absolutely nothing solid behind them - nothing at all, just knee-jerk idiocy.

If the various people calling for Biden to step down put forward a name and a plan, you would object to that as improper and undemocratic. Rightfully so.

As it is, politicians, donors, voters, Americans, are asking Biden to step down because he is no longer a fit candidate. That's the beginning and end of it. The process of selecting a different candidate is a separate issue. Right now, we are just at the asking stage.

People keep asking and keep getting the same answer: No. Not stepping down voluntarily.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so telling that the "Biden needs to step aside" faction has so far NOT been able to counter or address the fact that they don't actually have a plan, don't actually have any solid candidates who've agreed, and don't actually have any credible polling data to show that whoever it is that they want to put up in place of Biden actually has a chance of winning. None whatsoever. And the clock is ticking.

Those are the most critical and important things to discuss in this thread yet that have absolutely nothing. There's less than 3 weeks to get all of that together and to make a compelling case at the DNC convention. But instead they run around making wild proclamations and assertions and demands with absolutely nothing solid behind them - nothing at all, just knee-jerk idiocy.

If the various people calling for Biden to step down put forward a name and a plan, you would object to that as improper and undemocratic. Rightfully so.

As it is, politicians, donors, voters, Americans, are asking Biden to step down because he is no longer a fit candidate. That's the beginning and end of it. The process of selecting a different candidate is a separate issue. Right now, we are just at the asking stage.

People keep asking and keep getting the same answer: No. Not stepping down voluntarily.

This. Cabinet can execute on the 25th Amendment if their concerns are legitimate. Otherwise, it’s just political posturing and donor pandering.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so telling that the "Biden needs to step aside" faction has so far NOT been able to counter or address the fact that they don't actually have a plan, don't actually have any solid candidates who've agreed, and don't actually have any credible polling data to show that whoever it is that they want to put up in place of Biden actually has a chance of winning. None whatsoever. And the clock is ticking.

Those are the most critical and important things to discuss in this thread yet that have absolutely nothing. There's less than 3 weeks to get all of that together and to make a compelling case at the DNC convention. But instead they run around making wild proclamations and assertions and demands with absolutely nothing solid behind them - nothing at all, just knee-jerk idiocy.

If the various people calling for Biden to step down put forward a name and a plan, you would object to that as improper and undemocratic. Rightfully so.

As it is, politicians, donors, voters, Americans, are asking Biden to step down because he is no longer a fit candidate. That's the beginning and end of it. The process of selecting a different candidate is a separate issue. Right now, we are just at the asking stage.

People keep asking and keep getting the same answer: No. Not stepping down voluntarily.

If course he will be withdrawing.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so telling that the "Biden needs to step aside" faction has so far NOT been able to counter or address the fact that they don't actually have a plan, don't actually have any solid candidates who've agreed, and don't actually have any credible polling data to show that whoever it is that they want to put up in place of Biden actually has a chance of winning. None whatsoever. And the clock is ticking.

Those are the most critical and important things to discuss in this thread yet that have absolutely nothing. There's less than 3 weeks to get all of that together and to make a compelling case at the DNC convention. But instead they run around making wild proclamations and assertions and demands with absolutely nothing solid behind them - nothing at all, just knee-jerk idiocy.

If the various people calling for Biden to step down put forward a name and a plan, you would object to that as improper and undemocratic. Rightfully so.

As it is, politicians, donors, voters, Americans, are asking Biden to step down because he is no longer a fit candidate. That's the beginning and end of it. The process of selecting a different candidate is a separate issue. Right now, we are just at the asking stage.

People keep asking and keep getting the same answer: No. Not stepping down voluntarily.

If course he will be withdrawing.

I don’t know why you’re so convinced that he will. He doesn’t want to, it’s not going to be easy to force him, and he has nothing to lose by refusing.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so telling that the "Biden needs to step aside" faction has so far NOT been able to counter or address the fact that they don't actually have a plan, don't actually have any solid candidates who've agreed, and don't actually have any credible polling data to show that whoever it is that they want to put up in place of Biden actually has a chance of winning. None whatsoever. And the clock is ticking.

Those are the most critical and important things to discuss in this thread yet that have absolutely nothing. There's less than 3 weeks to get all of that together and to make a compelling case at the DNC convention. But instead they run around making wild proclamations and assertions and demands with absolutely nothing solid behind them - nothing at all, just knee-jerk idiocy.

If the various people calling for Biden to step down put forward a name and a plan, you would object to that as improper and undemocratic. Rightfully so.

As it is, politicians, donors, voters, Americans, are asking Biden to step down because he is no longer a fit candidate. That's the beginning and end of it. The process of selecting a different candidate is a separate issue. Right now, we are just at the asking stage.

People keep asking and keep getting the same answer: No. Not stepping down voluntarily.

This. Cabinet can execute on the 25th Amendment if their concerns are legitimate. Otherwise, it’s just political posturing and donor pandering.

The 25th is not happening. And increasingly, it looks like Biden is going to stay in out of spite. There is no reasoning with an 81 year old man in terminal decline. Biden is not thinking about the greater good. He is all ego and pettiness now.

So, the longer this goes on, the more it looks like this will be settled at the convention, where technically, Biden has nearly all the officially pledged delegates. I'm sure lawyers are already scouring the small print of the DNC bylaws.

In any event, Trump and Republicans are pretty much guaranteed a sweeping victory due to the arrogance and ineptitude of Democrats.

What a mess

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Is anyone saying NeverBiden?
No one is willing to say that.
NeverTrump was making a point that you would not get their votes, so calculate accordingly.
Problem was their numbers were too small and Trump supporters were too high.
Full Biden supporters are small in number.
No one will be mad if Biden is replaced at the convention. In 2016, Roger Stone was threatening violence.
Will there be any numbers declaring NeverBiden that would force people to say we must have a new candidate. Right now it is Biden down just five in polls, and all the people calling on him to drop out they know will vote for Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s about time for the donor class to be told that they don’t own our democracy. 14.5 million people voted for Joe in the primary. You don’t get to just throw those out because of some bad polls. Bush senior was down 17 points to Dukakis after the 1988 Dem convention and we know how that turned out. The time to promote Biden alternatives was the primary.

There was no realistic alternative during the primary, because voters were not informed of the extent of Biden's impairment.
This is acknowledged by most people, PP. I know you're posting everywhere trying to persuade others that Biden should be the nominee, but that option disappeared the night of the debate. He was done then, he just didn't know it. It appears you are delusional like he is. This is not a donor class problem. No one except you and a small number of morons want to stick with Biden.

If you didn’t know about Biden’s impairment, you need to scrap all of your news sources. Seriously. They left you completely misinformed.

DP. I watched the debate. I don't watch CNN or CSPAN and hadn't seem any video of Biden in person in month and months.

I was shocked. He is past the time of taking grandpa's keys away. He cannot be the presidential candidate. And I do not think well of AOC to say that he should be.

It leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that people are piling on Biden (and none if it is with any deference or respect toward him as the sitting POTUS, or any kindness whatsoever, but just nasty ageism and meanness about people with declining mental faculties), and when Trump rambles like a fool, they just shrug and say "Well, we KNOW he's crazy and he's always been incompetent and horrible, so it's different". It's wrong when the majority bullies a decent person to protect themselves from the really bad bully. It's wrong in middle school and it's wrong in this case too. I don't know what the solution is, but it's not this. You deserve Trump, and you're going to get him either way.

No no no you dont get to drop “ageism”. This is BEYOND his age. We all knew how numerically old he is.

What we didnt know (because its been hidden) is the extent of his decline in the last 2 years. That deception is what we are all livid about.

How do you explain the recent appearances when he was sharp and articulate? Still livid? Are you livid about the fact that Regan barely knew his own name for half of his presidency?
You're all just desperate for drama, Biden had a bad debate and you're running with it. The day after the debate, he was "out of it". Two weeks later, people are calling him a "vegetable".

The decline has been going on for years. I knew it. You didn’t know about it because your news sources covered for him.

Here's the decline that has been going on for years, and YOU and the media and everyone on the right is covering for him pretending nothing's happening.
Trump's brain is fried, half the time he talks complete gibberish, can't even follow a coherent thought from one minute to the next. His mental decline is far worse than Biden's and anyone who bothers to actually try and sit and listen to him speak can see it plain as day.

It's elder abuse for the GOP to be putting that mental invalid Donald Trump on stage. He needs to step down.

Then he should be easy to beat.