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Anonymous
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We are at a LL in Fairfax and our all star coaches never get paid.
Nor do we pay coaches to run skills clinics. |
Anonymous
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Drew Walker, we know about your emails to Ricky begging the league to lift the ban on you coaching.
We the 11u parents and NW parents know you are trashing Mike because you want to coach 12u. Over our dead bodies. That is not happening. Your GC 11u texts were insane. Please stop. |
Anonymous
| Wrong and interesting you purport to speak on behalf of 11u parents, Mike. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&sca_esv=573659445&cs=0&sxsrf=AM9HkKkN3m1ErsdQmA__oK0WyHaq3gUmLA:1697412085722&q=You%27re+So+Vain&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiju5XjmPmBAxUtD1kFHWZEAjgQ_vIJegQIARAA&biw=375&bih=625&dpr=3#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:b6e5322b,vid:cleCtBP0o5Y,st:0 |
Anonymous
How about we quit with all the posturing and ask a simple question: if an NWLL Board Member received NWLL funds in violation of the league's prohibition on compensation, salary, or other emoluments (in the NWLL Constitution and Little League International's model rules), should they be declared ineligible for future elections? Would a de-minimus threshold change your opinion--say anything in excess of $250? $500? $1,000? Someone should set up a poll, let's see how big a deal folks think this is (if they do at all)... |
Anonymous
😂 |
Anonymous
Was wondering when someone was going to raise this "partly for out of state travel" argument about the $2500 payments. Oops, not payment. It's not a stipend. Wait, which is it? Not a payment; it's for advance expense reimbursements, right?! Right? 1) Room and board is provided for coaches and players at the East Region Tournament at no cost. 2) LL provides some mileage reimbursement. And carpooling is possible and encouraged. So, the out of state travel costs are...$0. -And it's a volunteer position that no one is forcing anyone to take. If there were travel costs involved, they are ones people are lining up to incur. -It's almost always parents that serve as the coaches. So if there were costs, they would be incurring them anyway on behalf of their player's participation. -There are real costs to attend the 11u and 10u region invitational tournaments as they aren't official LL tournaments so teams participating there (including NWLL's 2023 11u team) actually do have significant hotel, food, and transportation costs. But NWLL only gives money to their 12u coaches. -You're not supposed to be paying anyone to coach. Not a college kid who makes less money than a lawyer. Not a league president. Not a parks department employee. Not a Board skills director that is already inexplicably being paid tens of thousands of other dollars by the league for coaching. -And again, who has asked them all to be the coaches or help coach? They created a coaching monopoly where they are indispensable. Which they are not. Then they pay themselves for their non-dispensable services. And then they and apologists for them want to say it's not that money compared to salaries for other jobs. That it's for expenses. What expenses? Not travel expenses. I don't think for any other expenses either. It's the same story for everything here. Try to come up with excuses or rationales. Draw irrelevant parallels. Use a laugh emoji. Don't acknowledge that anything is untoward. Paying $2500 to Help Coach and Partly for Out of State Travel. No. None of it. |
Anonymous
I don't get this continued line of reasoning and its cynicism and inaccurate generalization to just declare it happens EVERYWHERE. Not in my league. Not in others I know that seem to be full of integrity and fair play. People generally agree that there are politics involved in most little leagues. But not boundary cheating and when it's caught, teams have been stripped of championships. There are waiver processes that depend on honesty and when they're done appropriate, so it goes even if the team that lost a player is upset with the league they lost him or her too. But if that process is fudged repeatedly, it's significant and not okay. If there's financial impropriety, it's not okay. The thing I think nearly EVERY little league around the country does is NOT compensate its coaches. And have all star coaches that cycle through with their players as opposed to having someone retain a firm grip on the position. And when they do that, they are probably excellent and probably not the league president. (And jockeying for that position and who makes the team is probably what lots of people think of as the "crazy" of some LLs, which is different from what NWLL is going through). Different people or communities have different experiences. Travel is 10 out of 10? It's a better place to be than LL? Maybe for you. Maybe for some. But in places where LL is strong it is a great thing. And preferable to travel ball which in many (not all) circumstances is watered down, expensive, excessive, and certainly not superior to the LL experience. |
Anonymous
In some leagues, the Board selects the all-star manger. Some may have a vote from managers/coaches/players to do the selection, subject to board approval. I've heard of some that award duties to the coach of the regular season winner. Regardless of method, there's a way to do this annually. It doesn't need to be a "coach for life" set up. And this thread presents many reasons why it should not be and why while a District Administrator can grant special approval for a league president or player agent to be an all-star coach, that probably should not happen either. Does Mike Klisch want to coach NWLL's summer all-star team? Seems like he would be happy to or would have been happy to. As does Ricky Davenport. Neither may be likely now for 2024 or future seasons with all the baggage. And maybe that's what needed to happen. But the league can have a process to properly select managers each year, just like it seems they do for their 10u and 11u teams. Just as it is special to be selected during a child's small window of opportunity to play on a LL all-star team, it is a special opportunity for parent coaches. So, there is something to be said for having a fair process every year where dads and moms (and sometimes non-parents) have this opportunity. No one person or people should own it. Now about the harm to children by sending out a memo that used their names. It may not have been a desirable thing to do, though I understand the explanation of things not having been taken seriously in the past without names being cited. But what exactly was the harm? I know people have cited this. But are or will any player face any possible harm from being in this memo? I'm generally curious and open to hearing a genuine answer to this. Or is it mostly a deflecting defense? Because there is harm to the league and its kids and other leagues and their kids from all of this. Maybe not big potatoes in the grand scheme of life. "First world problems," yes. But this stuff is important to a lot of people. So, it stinks for people that might have made the all-star team but had a spot taken away by someone that didn't belong in the league. It stinks to kids caught up in the charades. It stinks for kids on teams that play by the rules and lose to teams that don't. It stinks for kids that play games against unfairly composed regular season teams. It stinks for parents that want the chance to be considered to coach an all-star team but is blocked by someone that has claimed the position for themselves and then pays themself for the privilege. It stinks for kids that could benefit back but aren't from the tens of thousands of dollars of their registration fees being used to pay adults that are supposed to be volunteers. |
Anonymous
| Well said. Thank you. |
Anonymous
Well sure, every little league is a mess of cheating dads and sad children who don’t want to play baseball by the time they get to 12 … but these were taking the money. Doesn’t matter if it’s sleazy little league or not - nonprofits can’t do that. But while we’re here, the argument that EVERY little league is a mess that you shouldn’t let your kids play in if you like them or want them to like baseball or have a future in baseball, so, who cares if this one is too, is a bad argument. The minimum we should expect is that when you can’t keep your dad-cheating under wraps, you should find another little league to corrupt and let someone new have a chance to rig this one’s draft. |
Anonymous
| Relax everyone that doesn't want to move on. Ricky has a job waiting for him with the University of Michigan football team |
Anonymous
😂 Everyone knows he’s a Notre Dame fan! |
Anonymous
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Um, have any of you NW parents and "leadership" thought this through to the spring all-star season? 2024, beyond ...
If NWLL is to ever win another DC championship with Davenport or any of his cronies in charge every team they beat in DC and any team they play in Bristol will be calling this issue up, calling the NWLL community cheaters (which some are sadly) and generally reaking havoc on any of your future kids who may advance in all-stars. For that reason alone, if this nonsense happened in our LL community (right next door to NWLL), there would be no Ricky Davenport future to discuss. Why in god's name would it be worth it? |
Anonymous
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Baseball parents really are the worst. And around here, that’s saying something.
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Anonymous
It is true- they really are. Mostly the dads. Between my 3 kids they have played almost every major sport at some point or another. There are always a few crazy parents- can’t escape that. But the worst parents we have seen? Baseball dads, and it isn’t even close. Something about the sport of baseball, specifically, makes SO MANY dads go extra crazy. Why, I have no idea. |