Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same as TJ where many "equity" kids have to take TJ Math 1 while others are learning calculus in their freshman year.

I’m from NYC and have lots of friends there. They got rid of testing for the G&T program and it is lottery. There are children who can’t even read getting into the program while the smartest kids who are grades ahead in math are being left in gen ed. Testing is racist so basically the gifted program is now a lottery. Thank you, De Blasio. He wanted to get rid of G&T altogether.

"Equity kids"?

So disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Same as TJ where many "equity" kids have to take TJ Math 1 while others are learning calculus in their freshman year.

I’m from NYC and have lots of friends there. They got rid of testing for the G&T program and it is lottery. There are children who can’t even read getting into the program while the smartest kids who are grades ahead in math are being left in gen ed. Testing is racist so basically the gifted program is now a lottery. Thank you, De Blasio. He wanted to get rid of G&T altogether.

"Equity kids"?

So disgusting.


Not the pp. if you take a less qualified student for equity from a weaker school pyramid, that student may not perform as well as the others. It doesn’t have to be racial.

I went to an inner city magnet high school. Our school had lots of black students. Some were truly gifted kids from not the best neighborhoods. Others were rich black kids who went to private schools. We had students from all different racial and economic backgrounds. Criteria to get in was that you needed to be top 10% of your school and test 95% on some standardized test. Even with that test cutoff, there were many students who could not keep up and they went back to their base schools.

Lowering standards and eliminating entrance exams is not helping anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

Shouldn’t that be up to the coach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

Shouldn’t that be up to the coach?

Shouldn't the teachers select TJ students then? Would be much better than the current racist system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

Does your kid go to DeMatha? 5'10 is fine for an FCPS point guard

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

Shouldn’t that be up to the coach?

Shouldn't the teachers select TJ students then? Would be much better than the current racist system.

The board could certainly change the policy to have the teachers select the students, yes. There are magnet schools that work like that and it seems to be perfectly legal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

Shouldn’t that be up to the coach?

Shouldn't the teachers select TJ students then? Would be much better than the current racist system.

At this time only done for the "Froshmore" round and it includes 3 teachers (including 2-STEM teachers) recommendation too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

Shouldn’t that be up to the coach?

Shouldn't the teachers select TJ students then? Would be much better than the current racist system.

The board could certainly change the policy to have the teachers select the students, yes. There are magnet schools that work like that and it seems to be perfectly legal.

Should review data to see the quality of students getting in through this route (at present used in the Froshmore selection - class of 2025,2026)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

I didn't say over represented. I said the group with the highest % of representation. You can never make any changes to admissions processes if that group can always claim "discrimination".

And the star player of my championship-winning HS basketball team who went on to play at top college basketball team was only 5'10".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

It's always basketball with these people.

Repeating this for the thousandth time... School admissions processes ARE NOT analogs for athletic team tryouts.

Athletic teams exist for the purpose of competing against other schools to win games. TJ does not exist to win competitions or to be highly ranked. The fact that it is and it does are tangential to its purpose. TJ's governing documents mandate that FCPS selects students who are advanced in STEM, but not necessarily the most advanced, to attend the school.

We can argue ad nauseam about whether or not TJ should be striving to be the #1 public school in America through its admissions process, but the bottom line is that they're in no way, shape, or form required to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, any change to the status quo will disproportionally impact the most overrepresented groups.

So then *that group* can claim discrimination. You can never change any admissions process without someone claiming "discrimination".

p.s. the process does not discriminate against certain groups if those groups have higher than average admissions rate and highest % of representation at the school.

Does it not seem racist to say one group is over represented?

I have an Asian kid who loves to play basketball. He is average height, will probably end up 5’10”. He really wants to play basketball and I know his chances are low. What if the team was told that blacks are overrepresented and that the team should take some Asian kids? If most of the team is 6’4” and my kid shows up and is not as tall and not as good, he should not get on the team.

It's always basketball with these people.

Repeating this for the thousandth time... School admissions processes ARE NOT analogs for athletic team tryouts.

Athletic teams exist for the purpose of competing against other schools to win games. TJ does not exist to win competitions or to be highly ranked. The fact that it is and it does are tangential to its purpose. TJ's governing documents mandate that FCPS selects students who are advanced in STEM, but not necessarily the most advanced, to attend the school.

We can argue ad nauseam about whether or not TJ should be striving to be the #1 public school in America through its admissions process, but the bottom line is that they're in no way, shape, or form required to do so.[b]

So, the supporters of TJ's new admission process know that this will make TJ decline.

[Anonymous]

just for the record - the updated TJ admissions process is not a lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:just for the record - the updated TJ admissions process is not a lottery.

Results are sort of un-predictable like lottery with some bias